Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[NYC_lover]

What body?

Someone has post false information, that Dutch media station RTL news reporting, possible Natalee her body was found in golde mines in Aruba.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007
« Reply #928 on: Today at 01:55:43 PM » 

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Posted on the front page of SM this morning - have no idea what it's all about:

gerard on December 27th, 2007 9:45 am

For our friends in America who are just as concerned about the tragic dissapearance of Natalee Holloway.

I just saw on Dutch television that the remains of what is looking to be a young woman have been found near an old goldmine. Rumor is, it might be Natalee. Only 2 miles from the Van der Sloots residence. Pure excitement is rushing over the Island.

Just seen on RTL news, The Netherlands. Let´s hope the guilty will be found soon and get the chair !

[JA]

Thanks.

Who is this Gerard guy? Reputable?  I mean it is hard to get any reputable info off that island as it is.  If a body has even been found, I wonder who found it?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks.

Who is this Gerard guy? Reputable?  I mean it is hard to get any reputable info off that island as it is.  If a body has even been found, I wonder who found it?

Klaasend said that the person appeared to be posting on the FM from the Netherlands....NYC_Lover, also in NL has posted she has seen no such news there....and there has been no news elsewhere that gives his post any validity.

[MumInOhio]

We never heard anything more about Joyce, did we? I wonder if aruba was testing the waters to see what our MSM would pick up on?

[2NJSons_Mom]

In my previous post...FM should have been FP 'front page'..

[JA]

Guess there is no credibilty in any of it then.  If it was on the news, someone else would have heard it.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Guess there is no credibilty in any of it then.  If it was on the news, someone else would have heard it.

I agree...many would have run with it and it would be all over the place...imo

[2NJSons_Mom]

We never heard anything more about Joyce, did we? I wonder if aruba was testing the waters to see what our MSM would pick up on?

I'm sorry, Mum...who's Joyce?

[NYC_lover]

Guess there is no credibilty in any of it then.  If it was on the news, someone else would have heard it.

It never was at the news. In the Dutch news get around 4 times in one hour, then mostly to get the same news. Or when there is breaking news in things, it want come directly in the news. And the IP report is come from Amsterdam, Amsterdam there are connections with Aruba and sure with JVDS.
Does not Joran want studying in Amsterdam?
And how can someone tell he has it from RTL, when it never is come in the news?
BTW, a fault report what is not credible and nobody can control it.

[Tylergal]

I am too often reminded, even with the yeoman efforts of the Persistence of Paulus' remarks regards "no body, no crime," and agree with PI that the only way to ensure that was to take her body to an incinerator or crematorium.  However, I believe that with an incinerator, there would still be remains of teeth, so perhaps it was a crematorium. 

[crazybabyborg]

Got back in the nick of time    Thanks for moving yourselves over 

 
I'm SO Sorry! I was away from the computer and missed Klaas' post! I should have posted BBL while I was working and lurking! Sorry, Klaas~!


 

[Tylergal]

Does anyone really believe the Joyce situation was not a set-up?  No way was that not a PR stunt by ALE and AHATA to show that ALE responds to the needs/demands of American tourists.  Maybe someone should check someone's bank account to see how much money was recently deposited in it for this "staged" rescue and delivery facade.

[private eye]

Guido Wever who was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will fight extradition request to Aruba.

A Dutch national detained on suspicion of participating in the kidnapping and killing of Natalee Holloway in Aruba is fighting a request to bring him to the island, his attorney’s office said. Guido Wever was arrested on Sunday and is considered a friend of Joran Van der Sloot. Guido Wever worked at the casino in the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway stayed on her senior vacation.

For the first time in a long time a suspect has been detained that admits to knowing Joran Van der Sloot. Looking back on the investigation, Guido Wever is the individual who stated he was playing tennis with Joran Van der Sloot the following day

Guido Weber is related to Yolanda Weber, Director of Mementomori Funeral Home in Aruba?

10061906 posted on March 14, 2006 that “Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”. Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot. Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba. Zepp Wever Funeral Home.”

Now, the next day, in police statements, multiple sources have told us that Joran and Guido were hanging out, that they were together that day after Natalee Holloway disappeared


http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran_va_der_sloot_supplement.htm

The site where this allegation is posted

[MumInOhio]

We never heard anything more about Joyce, did we? I wonder if aruba was testing the waters to see what our MSM would pick up on?

I'm sorry, Mum...who's Joyce?

Sorry 2NJSons-Mom, had something to do. Joyce disappeared in Aruba from the Banana bus a day or so before Christmas. Found sleeping in her parent's bed at the HI. Muffy started a thread in Missing Persons with a little info. Great pictures of ALE in bullet proof vests.

[Tylergal]

Guido Wever who was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will fight extradition request to Aruba.

A Dutch national detained on suspicion of participating in the kidnapping and killing of Natalee Holloway in Aruba is fighting a request to bring him to the island, his attorney’s office said. Guido Wever was arrested on Sunday and is considered a friend of Joran Van der Sloot. Guido Wever worked at the casino in the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway stayed on her senior vacation.

For the first time in a long time a suspect has been detained that admits to knowing Joran Van der Sloot. Looking back on the investigation, Guido Wever is the individual who stated he was playing tennis with Joran Van der Sloot the following day

Guido Weber is related to Yolanda Weber, Director of Mementomori Funeral Home in Aruba?

10061906 posted on March 14, 2006 that “Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”. Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot. Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba. Zepp Wever Funeral Home.”

Now, the next day, in police statements, multiple sources have told us that Joran and Guido were hanging out, that they were together that day after Natalee Holloway disappeared


http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran_va_der_sloot_supplement.htm

The site where this allegation is posted

If memory serves, there was a young woman by the name of Wever, who died about the same time as Natalee.  Makes you go hmmmm.

[2NJSons_Mom]

We never heard anything more about Joyce, did we? I wonder if aruba was testing the waters to see what our MSM would pick up on?

I'm sorry, Mum...who's Joyce?

Sorry 2NJSons-Mom, had something to do. Joyce disappeared in Aruba from the Banana bus a day or so before Christmas. Found sleeping in her parent's bed at the HI. Muffy started a thread in Missing Persons with a little info. Great pictures of ALE in bullet proof vests.

Ah, okay..thank you...her name didn't stay with me...but I read all of that. 

[MumInOhio]

I have been looking at June 16th because of Lala’s 5th suspect and noticed that Satish was not questioned from June 11th until June 18th, except by Judge Wit. I am presuming that this was in regards to a further 8 day detention, but haven’t checked on it yet. Here are a few things from my notes as the 16th and Rene were mentioned by the night crew. Have not included details of 17th and 18th. Maybe it will help ******* to see why Rene’s wife murdered him! LOL!

June 15th 2005
Van der Sloot’s house searched
Anita and Paulus questioned per Top95
Steve Croes questioned
Florencia Metz questioned
Natalee missing for 4 days in Costa Rica rumor posted and deleted.
Geraldo on Fox - theory on porn video

June 16th 2005Questioned

Camera controllers – various hotels
Florencia Metz
Koen Gottenbos
Sander Gottenbos
Freddy Arambatzis
Lorenzo van Rijn
Max Arendz

Joran’s lawyer spoke with a witness - Top 95
Boycott of Aruba talks announced – 95.1
Joran changes to Kalpoes story – Top 95
Distance to Joran’s house from hotels measured
Porn movie theory debunked by editor of Aruba Today and not mentioned again on Fox
Judge to rule on Paulus visiting Joran
Aruba radio says around 3.30PM that there is an arrest in Savaenta - no confirmation
Abrams Report – arrest not related to Natalee
Helicopter with heat seeking equipment near Donkey Farm
Picture of Joran not looking happy – NY Post and AP

Rumors from June 16th 2005

Joran’s lawyer did not tell the truth about what was discussed with the witness-interesting
Joran’s lawyer fired
Interviewing three more -  Jaime and Freddy should be included
Fox says evidence found
Val taken off the island
Judge not to rule today
Helicopter searched near Seroe/Kia – not sure if this is near the Donkey Farm
Joran was seen going into the woods at ISA on May 30th.
This is second raid and arrest not related to Natalee’s case
Possible first rumor of 6.30 phone call
More rumors that Natalee had run away before
Friend speaks out on Joran’s temper
Friend speaks out on Satish’s temper


From Fox by a friend of the Kalpoes

Satish and Deepak hung out a lot with vacationers

No connection to drugs.

No fights with people.

THinks brothers are protecting Joran.

edit: Friend was also from Surinam


June 16th to 17th.ORANJESTAD - The death of Rene van Heyningen, on the night of Thursday, 16 on Friday, June 17, 2005, were relationship problems in advance. The man was violent and jealous women

June 17th.Steve Croes arrested
Satish questioned by Judge Wit

Questioned
Sander
Freddy
Steve
Jaime
Koen

June 18th. 2005Paulus questioned
Bank lady, Ruth Dijkhoff, murdered in The Netherlands


By the way, I do not buy into ‘the not connected to Natalee’ garbage. All of these people were questioned because of what happened to Natalee.  Lala’s has said many times that just because they were suspects, does not mean that they were detained. Why did ALE not release information about the status of some?


Why NO questions for Satish?



 

[private eye]

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp

The company that sold and installed the crematorium in Aruba

[2NJSons_Mom]

Guido Wever who was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will fight extradition request to Aruba.

A Dutch national detained on suspicion of participating in the kidnapping and killing of Natalee Holloway in Aruba is fighting a request to bring him to the island, his attorney’s office said. Guido Wever was arrested on Sunday and is considered a friend of Joran Van der Sloot. Guido Wever worked at the casino in the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway stayed on her senior vacation.

For the first time in a long time a suspect has been detained that admits to knowing Joran Van der Sloot. Looking back on the investigation, Guido Wever is the individual who stated he was playing tennis with Joran Van der Sloot the following day

Guido Weber is related to Yolanda Weber, Director of Mementomori Funeral Home in Aruba?

10061906 posted on March 14, 2006 that “Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”. Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot. Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba. Zepp Wever Funeral Home.”

Now, the next day, in police statements, multiple sources have told us that Joran and Guido were hanging out, that they were together that day after Natalee Holloway disappeared


http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran_va_der_sloot_supplement.htm

The site where this allegation is posted

If memory serves, there was a young woman by the name of Wever, who died about the same time as Natalee.  Makes you go hmmmm.

Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005
 
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA

[msmarple]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   12/24/2007

Interesting - the printed ineundoes.

Persistance continues wit expedition to Holloway

The Persistance searching the seabed for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

ORANJESTAD – The decision of the Public Prosecutor to dismiss the Holloway-case has no effect on the investigation of the special ship Persistance, emphasized the crew that started to scan the seabed around Aruba on Tuesday.  With the best equipment in the world, they are trying to find Holloway.  Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father announced the arrival of the ship one month ago.  However, the ship’s arrival was delayed by the tropical storm Olga.

The ship has modern sonological-equipment that can scan up to 4000 meters deep. 

The ship can scan very deep seabeds.  The ship will first determine the topographical situation of the sea around Aruba till the sea border with Venezuela.   The speed of the sound under water is measured with a sound velocity profile (SVP).  This is needed for the calculation of data during the scan.  Strange abnormal forms on the seabed can be captured with that.   

Maritime geologist Kyle Kingman, who maintains a blog about the expedition on www.nholloway.blogspot.com compares the seabed with an ‘old living creature from the end of the cretaceous period, full of stories’.  “We know that this creature is making sure that he does not abandon his secrets”, writes Kingman.  He expects though that when the side scan sonar is activated, the contents of each split is going to be revealed and can be seen on a monitor in the computer room.  He says though that it remains difficult, like a shopping cart in an area as big as Manhattan.   

The search is of course going to cost a lot.  There are 18 people working with the most modern and expensive instruments on board of the ship.  Project manager Tim Miller doesn’t want to confirm that millions of dollars in donations are paying for this search.  “We don’t want media-attention; we only want to do our job.”  He only wanted to talk to Diario.  Also the office of the organization Texas Equusearch (TES), of which Miller is the founder, doesn’t want to say anything.  This abundantly sponsored American organization is specialized in search actions for mainly missing fellow country persons.  TES has already searched for Natalee two years ago, but only to a depth of 100 meters at that time.   

The organization receives a lot of monetary- as well as emotional support on the weblog.  This support is mainly from people that give the Lord’s blessing and that ask everybody to pray for the crew on the ship and the Holloway family.  Criticism is not really tolerated on the website.  These are not even added to the log.  An anonymous informant is wondering whether the authorities are on board of the ship for if they find evidence.  The lawyers of the former suspects are afraid that evidence can be planted by the crew.  “They may just drop or add a purse for example.” 

The OM does not cooperate with the search action, but wants to be kept informed of whatever is discovered that can be of interest.  It is not known whether the crew has applied for a work permit for the search with the government.