Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Kermit]

Why does everyone leave when I am here?

ribbit.

off to catch a few files.

I'm listening! I just don't have much to add -- you are on a roll!

wreck

I love your little train wreck.

Hey I was thinking and maybe I'm mistaken, but private eye thinks she was taken to the incinerator. I don't think so, because Joran and Deepak were careful to cover in case she was found about mentioning she fell out of the car so she'd have bruises on her. If they knew she was incinerated, they would not have mentioned that little tid bit me thinks.

You are not mistaken because I don't believe she was taken to an incinerator.  I agree that if she was taken to the incinerator there would be no need to say anything.  All they would have to do is shut up and they didn't.  They were afraid she was going to be found.  The only reason she was not found because J2K knew the coverup was on the government won't allow her to be found.

I still remember Beth's words when she was leaving Aruba.  She mentioned something about wanting Natalee and Aruba can make it happen.  This leads me to believe that Natalee can be found.

I completely agree.

They thought or think they can get away with holding her hostage.

Remember Karin Janssen threatened Jug too and Jan van der Straten threatened them.

They think they are all above the law.

We know the truth and the truth will prevail and expose these suckers.

Natalee is coming home and the rotten no-good evil doers in Aruba can suck for the rest of their lives.

[Kermit]

Most of us have seen this before but it adds more proof that KJ and her Dept are corrupt as hell and deeply involved in the cover up. Cant blame everything on Van Der Straaten,Jacobs and Dompig. She failed Natalee horribly and is definetly up to her eyeballs in this cover up. Why did Antonio Carlo confess to her that Joran Van Sloot played a major role in Natalee's dissapearance? Because He knew she already broke laws and helped covered up Natalee's murder and wouldn't do anything about it. He knew relieving his conscious was safe with her. She never attempted to search the entire Van Der Sloot property again,was 17 days before they even searched Jorans bedroom and 10 days before they were even arrested,never told anyone what Carlo illegally told her,held back vital info on PVDS and released him as a suspect so he could get his license and practice law. She broke a ton of laws and she was in on the diversion and attempted framing of two innocent men. Know wonder why she stopped communicating with the Family. I think that was her choice and not direct orders from the AG.

What video is she waiting for in the Netherlands? She was stalling big time to help out the Van Der Sloots and she is every bit as dirty as Van Der Straaten. Her letter to our Dept of Justice asking about Beth being related to hitler and the one trip to Austria are quite telling. She was always 100% on the Van Der Sloots side and she continiously held back vital information to help the Van Der SLoots.MO

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Very well stated! Excellent

 

[Kermit]

Robots thought prints

remember when the SLUG said he was gardening... SLUG=PAULUS

well, to me that says PAULUS put Natalee in the ground
never a single word from anyone about the SLUG gardening except for that one time.

abandoned septic tank is where she is

robots = granny toad 

i have heard of this creature... granny toad
seems she is not too well liked by the evil ones........but she seems good to me 

 is she a relative of Kermits ???

It's a big pond.

[Kermit]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Wasn't it Deepak who said he has something on the judges?

[Kermit]

Does anyone know what has happened to Poppin' Fresh, the youngest
Sloot brother?  I haven't heard him mentioned in a long long time.
Did they send him away or something?

He went to the Pillsbury Dough factory for more dough.

[San]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Wasn't it Deepak who said he has something on the judges?

I remember Deepak saying he knew too much.

[Kermit]

Robots thought prints

remember when the SLUG said he was gardening... SLUG=PAULUS

well, to me that says PAULUS put Natalee in the ground
never a single word from anyone about the SLUG gardening except for that one time.

abandoned septic tank is where she is

I agree.  This is why the Sloots aren't moving.  There is something there on the property.

Ever notice how Paulus sweats bullets whenever someone is on his property.  He acts like he has ants in his pants.

I don't think Natalee is on the Sloot property, but I think some belongings are
buried behind those bushes where Paulus was with his shovel.  Could be
bloody clothing or possessions of Natatee's.

Probably Paulus van der Sloots size 10 tennis shoes with Natalee's blood.

[Lala'sMom]

Did Freddy get arrested on June 11th 2005 after the confession? Or was this someone else? Who was detained June 11th 2005 at 6AM?

http://newsobserver.com/2(...)1591p-10805356c.html (Link no longer works)
Posted by Roel_jewel zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 16:51

    Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.
    It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

    Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway, 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

    Late Friday, Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man who made the statement was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took her to a beach the night she went missing made the statement.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/2/50

If this was Freddy that lives rather close to the Sloots, why did they not mention that? It would certainly have been significant if a person that lived near Joran was arrested. MOO

If it wasnt't Freddy than who the heck was this????????

I didn't say it wasn't Freddy.  I am thinking here...give me time. 

[Kermit]

OK...this is weird.  Remember Joe Tacopina's forensic expert who recently traveled to Aruba with Joe and Rosemarie, Michael Archer?  Remember his bio on Wikipedia which was the only thing we could find on the guy?  Guess what....it's gone.  When you google Michael Archer, there's a link to the once existent wiki article, but it's now gone poof.

Weird, huh?

 

VERY WIERD

That little fraud was exposed.

He was crawling around trying to find answers and got himself pinged.

ribbit.

[San]

Robots thought prints

remember when the SLUG said he was gardening... SLUG=PAULUS

well, to me that says PAULUS put Natalee in the ground
never a single word from anyone about the SLUG gardening except for that one time.

abandoned septic tank is where she is

I agree.  This is why the Sloots aren't moving.  There is something there on the property.

Ever notice how Paulus sweats bullets whenever someone is on his property.  He acts like he has ants in his pants.

I don't think Natalee is on the Sloot property, but I think some belongings are
buried behind those bushes where Paulus was with his shovel.  Could be
bloody clothing or possessions of Natatee's.

Probably Paulus van der Sloots size 10 tennis shoes with Natalee's blood.

I always said take what Aruba says and think the opposite.  This would totally be the opposite of Joran's tennis shoes.

[Lala'sMom]

Freddy gives statement on June 12 at 11:05 AM. Taken by none other than Dennis Jacobs and supposedly Jusn Boezem was there too. So at some point either Freddy came in of his own accord or he was brought in to give that statement.  It says it was a WITNESS statement...not a suspect statement...but who knows. 

[Kermit]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Wasn't it Deepak who said he has something on the judges?

I remember Deepak saying he knew too much.

Yes and remember how he knew he would get out of jail in those polis car tapes.

There's a reason Paulus aided and abeded those Kalpoe brothers.

[Kermit]

Robots thought prints

remember when the SLUG said he was gardening... SLUG=PAULUS

well, to me that says PAULUS put Natalee in the ground
never a single word from anyone about the SLUG gardening except for that one time.

abandoned septic tank is where she is

I agree.  This is why the Sloots aren't moving.  There is something there on the property.

Ever notice how Paulus sweats bullets whenever someone is on his property.  He acts like he has ants in his pants.

I don't think Natalee is on the Sloot property, but I think some belongings are
buried behind those bushes where Paulus was with his shovel.  Could be
bloody clothing or possessions of Natatee's.

Probably Paulus van der Sloots size 10 tennis shoes with Natalee's blood.

I always said take what Aruba says and think the opposite.  This would totally be the opposite of Joran's tennis shoes.

Perhaps Joran is covering for the father. At 17, he had special privileges that an adult would not when in custody.
Look at Joran's shoe size compared to Papa's.

[klaasend]

OK...this is weird.  Remember Joe Tacopina's forensic expert who recently traveled to Aruba with Joe and Rosemarie, Michael Archer?  Remember his bio on Wikipedia which was the only thing we could find on the guy?  Guess what....it's gone.  When you google Michael Archer, there's a link to the once existent wiki article, but it's now gone poof.

Weird, huh?

 

VERY WIERD

That little fraud was exposed.

He was crawling around trying to find answers and got himself pinged.

ribbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Archer

[Observer]

I noticed Joran has a few friends that posted at this Dutch site back in 2005. Nothing earth shattering but interesting. Appears this friend is saying he knows Joran and one of the Kalpoes. I still need to go back and read the writing of the HI casino worker who was very nasty about Natalee. Very suspicious 

Speak just a friend of mine, who knows that Joran so. Hear indeed just that the body of that girl has been found according to Fox. No idea if 't true, but have now hurry.

zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 20:24 Posted by Heiden
    Quote:
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Hey dude
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yo man
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     How is t
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Good good, you? I see that you are already up to date with the whole situation
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     You know a guy, I take it?
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     I believe there is no ruk that he has geflikt
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Nah, I really do not know what I should think
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     I thought oak that was a bit of a kneus
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Not then?
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes quite
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     He was always tough and stuff, but I have never really had such thing, oh what is wrong doing joran
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     These are actually the latest updates
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Pero nada no official language ainda .. the police didn't deny or confirm anything yet ... but yea they didn't dig up a body that was so obviously bullshit ... and now people are changing their story saying one of the suspects admitted that somethin bad happened, while they said yesterday that he admitted to killing her. Besides the police said they're still working with 5 suspects

     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Who says that?
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     What you just type
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes, I
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Ah okay
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     No extent that even if I was around, it gets little attention here but on the Internet you get at it redelijkw
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
    You know those two also surinamers or not
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     One face
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Yes same here
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     You have none of that family ofzo spoken?
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes mn mother is a good deal
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     And?
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes, of course ... I mean destroy your 'son' is on TV everywhere completed and discussed as the 'man' who killed a girl ... his father may not see him because he works for justice ... It seems that joran himself when he was arrested Friday remained calm, but if he had something from nothing done so yes I maargoed ok ...
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Well, frankly, seems to me that's a good sign
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Yes, but they can also just as they say out of the car, stepped on
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     And then omgepleurd or someone encountered ...
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes exactly ... they are lighthouse he had ... I mean, what if there was something happened .. just a fatal accident and that guests are then gefreakt
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     That is in itself be stupid then, but he will also be foolish, I think
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     It will happen but you
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes of course it is foolish ... but I understand that you hear freakt
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Even if they have done nothing, they can still numerous Provides
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     And what about vab joran n. ap
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:

     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes idd
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Also
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Which should in any case be very quiet now hold even though
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     17 man ... T would be so bizarre
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes idd
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Miss, they are simply too many dr given drnak
    - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     OD
    - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Flippen and then as you say
    - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     I think it likely
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     But I must once again go man
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Yes I also
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Good evening celebrations yet. I wonder how it runs, you still speak
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     OK is good
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Much fun
     Thoms hang in there Joran says:
     Mazzel
     - DeNNis-And what have you got at the end of the day? Says:
     Later
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/3/50

[Tamikosmom]

Did Freddy get arrested on June 11th 2005 after the confession? Or was this someone else? Who was detained June 11th 2005 at 6AM?

http://newsobserver.com/2(...)1591p-10805356c.html (Link no longer works)
Posted by Roel_jewel zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 16:51

    Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.
    It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

    Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway, 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

    Late Friday, Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man who made the statement was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took her to a beach the night she went missing made the statement.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/2/50

Probably Freddy.

Freddy gave a declaration on June 12, 2005 ... a declaration that proves that the Holiday Inn fabrication was collaborated prior to the Twitty's arrival on the island ... contrary to Joran and Deepak's declaration..

Janet

+++++++++++++++

Freddy Arambatzis
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

Translation Credit: Rammstein

[Kat_Gram]

Robots, maybe you should take a break. Go bake / cook something / chop wood.
I've had angry dreams over this so have many others at one time or another.

[Tamikosmom]

Freddy gives statement on June 12 at 11:05 AM. Taken by none other than Dennis Jacobs and supposedly Jusn Boezem was there too. So at some point either Freddy came in of his own accord or he was brought in to give that statement.  It says it was a WITNESS statement...not a suspect statement...but who knows. 

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Description: witness statement
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem

[Magnolia]

Did Freddy get arrested on June 11th 2005 after the confession? Or was this someone else? Who was detained June 11th 2005 at 6AM?

http://newsobserver.com/2(...)1591p-10805356c.html (Link no longer works)
Posted by Roel_jewel zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 16:51

    Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.
    It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

    Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway, 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

    Late Friday, Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man who made the statement was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took her to a beach the night she went missing made the statement.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/2/50

If this was Freddy that lives rather close to the Sloots, why did they not mention that? It would certainly have been significant if a person that lived near Joran was arrested. MOO

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

[MumInOhio]

From June 8th 2005 Nancy Grace....they do not appear to be talking about the Kalpoes.

Lala’s and *******…. IMO  Maybe Koen and SanderGRACE: OK, let me quickly go to defense attorney Daniel Horowitz standing by. Daniel Horowitz, this is basically bass-ackwards from the way that it works in America. Because you don`t arrest somebody and put them in a cell of an administration building by the jail unless you`ve got a case against them. You don`t get arrested while the state, while the prosecutor, tries to put together a case. DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Exactly, Nancy. And there`s a problem with this, also. It focuses on these two men so much, and it doesn`t give them the freedom to be out and prove their innocence or gather evidence on their own behalf. You know, Nancy, these guys could be patsies. I`m concerned about those three rich kids who were with this young lady and supposedly dropped her off at a hotel and then she just vanishes. I don`t like the idea of the focus on these two guys alone. GRACE: Let me go back to Karl Penhaul on that very issue. Karl Penhaul, CNN correspondent, is with us in Aruba. Karl, there are murmurings to that exact issue, that these two security guards are being targeted while the actual guys that were with her, that took her away from the restaurant, have been set free. Explain. Why are these two being held? Did they run into the girl after the other three let her go? I mean, why are they being held and the other three have been let go? Is it true they are from rich or influential families, while these two are not? PENHAUL: That`s the question on a lot of people`s lips right now, Nancy. We`ve been talking around. We`ve also been talking to the suspects` families. A number of answers to that. The three young men last seen in the company of Natalee Holloway outside Carlos and Charlie`s, we understand, were never arrested, were never detained by police. Yes, they were interviewed. But the police in a press conference earlier this week have said that no evidence in terms of the car that they all drove away in was confiscated at any stage. Meanwhile, the two suspects, three of their vehicles have been confiscated. One of the suspect`s mother`s cars, a cousin`s car, I believe, and one of the cars belonging to one of the suspects. Those are being looked at, even though there`s nothing, apparently, according to the defense attorneys, in any witness statement to suggest that Natalee Holloway was ever seen in the company of these two suspects, let alone got in their cars. As far as the identities of the three people, the young men that are being named or were named as persons of interest, indeed, they do seem to be from influential families, certainly middle-class families, a little difficult in this context to spell out exactly whom they are.


But what the mother of Mickey John -- Antonius John, but Mickey his mother calls him -- what she says is that here what is at stake, or one part of the problem is, is that there`s a race issue here, because the people, the three young men are of influential, middle-class, largely white families, descendents of the Dutch colonizers that once came here, whereas the two suspects are from black immigrant families who maybe have been here for many years but nevertheless are still regarded as immigrants.