Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[klaasend]

Alot of interest in Freddy 

[Lala'sMom]

Alot of interest in Freddy 

I didn't start it this time. 

[Observer]

Alot of interest in Freddy 

I didn't start it this time. 

It was me  and I'M interested to see the interrogation of whoever was arrested on June 11th at 6am. Does a PV for this person on the 11th even exist?

[dennisintn]

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY: Well, Mr. Van der Sloot's attorneys stated that they were not getting the documents as fast as they should be or not getting all the documents. And they also asked to get a copy of all the videotape interrogations of all the three suspects. The D.A. during the trial stated that they are giving all the documents, so the judge did not grant that. The judge stated that everything should be, of course, made available to Mr. Van der Sloot, and since the videotapes of interrogations are also part of the dossier, they also have to be now handed over to Van der Sloot. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,166635,00.html

ribbit

Kermit ... I have been searching for that quote off and on for some time now.  I know it is hiding somewhere in one of my files on my unorganized desktop.  I will save it again and ... include meaningful  key words in the title.

ribbit again.

Janet

THE JUDGE LET PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT HAVE ILLEGAL ACCESS TO ALL THE FILES.

according to aruba steve, even ahata and ata had copies of everything including f.b.i. reports.  evidently everyone is allowed access to the files but the victim's family and attorneys.
dennisintn

[Helen Back]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

Lalas

Do you think that the "path paved with gold" (or words to that effect) could have anything with the gold mine there?

Oh goodness, it's been thought to be many things...The gold mine is one of them.  Some have thought it a color, others have thought money or something like that.  Shango is speaking of the house of rave. That does not mean that he is talking about Natalee specifically.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

Hey Lala's,
Maybe Shango is talking about bricks of gold marijuana.  Sounds like Lorenzo's house to me.

[Tylergal]

Hey, maybe it's all the money in the casinos and the maze is all the noise.

[Helen Back]

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY: Well, Mr. Van der Sloot's attorneys stated that they were not getting the documents as fast as they should be or not getting all the documents. And they also asked to get a copy of all the videotape interrogations of all the three suspects. The D.A. during the trial stated that they are giving all the documents, so the judge did not grant that. The judge stated that everything should be, of course, made available to Mr. Van der Sloot, and since the videotapes of interrogations are also part of the dossier, they also have to be now handed over to Van der Sloot. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,166635,00.html

ribbit

Kermit ... I have been searching for that quote off and on for some time now.  I know it is hiding somewhere in one of my files on my unorganized desktop.  I will save it again and ... include meaningful  key words in the title.

ribbit again.

Janet

THE JUDGE LET PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT HAVE ILLEGAL ACCESS TO ALL THE FILES.

according to aruba steve, even ahata and ata had copies of everything including f.b.i. reports.  evidently everyone is allowed access to the files but the victim's family and attorneys.
dennisintn

But Paulus got the video tapes of the interrogations. Gotta love the Dutch Justice System.

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

[Tylergal]

I thought when PI was asking for a goat, he was talking about Anita.  I assumed he wanted Rudy's face on her rear or kissing her rear, or something.

[Lala'sMom]

Lorenzo or Freddy?

Lorenzo was known to have parties...even those in Aruba called them raves. He would be the host.
Lorenzo was known as the local drug supplier...I would assume that meant a supplier to the dealers.
Lorenzo was questioned and his place searched.
Lorenzo was one of the first names to be mentioned concerning drugs and parties.
Jossy said it is believed that Lorenzo is connected to the Sloots in some way...don't anybody throw things yet.
Lorenzo drove the earthquake van. The blue van.
Lorenzo's reported alibi was Max Arends...why he needed an alibi is the question...who mentioned his name concerning Natalee that required an alibi?
We have yet to establish much else concerning Lorenzo except that he seems to have made a deal of some kind after his drug arrest.
Lorenzo's dealings with the casinos is virtually unknown.


Freddy was thought to be at a family gathering.
Freddy was known to make movies or videos of young girls in compromising situations.
Freddy was questioned. Don't know if his place was searched.
Freddy was rumored to have his own place just like Joran...remember I said rumored.
Freddy was a friend of Joran's.
I forget what Freddy drives.
Freddy had two females that provided alibis for him...it's in the discovery logs.
Freddy supposedly spent the night at Joran's that night.  Maybe to video.
Freddy would have most likely spent time in the casinos with Joran.

So we are still at a stalemate...once again. 

[Magnolia]

Steve Croes was arrested at 6:00 AM

I think the Dutch brothers are Koen and Sander.

Aren't the Gottenbos cousins to Anita?

Wasn't Freddie a bartender at the Marriott?  Natalee
and Whatley girl had lunch at the bar one day.

[Observer]

I havent researched shango like you guys have but I think it's obvious who he is reffering to. Lorenzo's Knickname was Mr.XTC,He hosted a party the night Natalee dissapeared,was a DJ and even had a DJ booth in his back yard,known to throw after hour rave parties and he lives off a road that is not paved. Most likely Shango thought he was the 5th suspect as well.
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Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
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[klaasend]

Just posted on the front page of SM:

natalee wrote:

Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?

[Magnolia]

DNA in street talk is Drugs and Alcohol.

[klaasend]

******* - I agree, I've always felt Lorenzo was the 5th.

[Observer]

Steve Croes was arrested at 6:00 AM

I think the Dutch brothers are Koen and Sander.

Aren't the Gottenbos cousins to Anita?

Wasn't Freddie a bartender at the Marriott?  Natalee
and Whatley girl had lunch at the bar one day.

Yes,Steve was arrested exactly a week later on the 18th. Never heard it as fact that the Gottenbo's are related to the sloots, I know in Beth's book she said the Van Loon guy she found out was a cousin of the sloots. Freddy worked at the Marriott but I doubt he was a bartender.

[Magnolia]

Just posted on the front page of SM:

natalee wrote:

Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?

Kinda creepy....gave me chills.

[Lala'sMom]

So who is Jeff and what's this about earrings?   

[Tamikosmom]

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY: Well, Mr. Van der Sloot's attorneys stated that they were not getting the documents as fast as they should be or not getting all the documents. And they also asked to get a copy of all the videotape interrogations of all the three suspects. The D.A. during the trial stated that they are giving all the documents, so the judge did not grant that. The judge stated that everything should be, of course, made available to Mr. Van der Sloot, and since the videotapes of interrogations are also part of the dossier, they also have to be now handed over to Van der Sloot. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,166635,00.html

ribbit

Kermit ... I have been searching for that quote off and on for some time now.  I know it is hiding somewhere in one of my files on my unorganized desktop.  I will save it again and ... include meaningful  key words in the title.

ribbit again.

Janet

THE JUDGE LET PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT HAVE ILLEGAL ACCESS TO ALL THE FILES.

according to aruba steve, even ahata and ata had copies of everything including f.b.i. reports.  evidently everyone is allowed access to the files but the victim's family and attorneys.
dennisintn

But Paulus got the video tapes of the interrogations. Gotta love the Dutch Justice System.

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

Hey ... the release of the interrogation tapes to Paulus may be considered preferential treatment but ... it sure backfired on them and ... turned out for the good.

I have never been privy to where all the leaked statements originated but ... I suspect that Joran was the source and ... I also tend to believe that Larry Garrison was involved.

Nevertheless ... time and time agains ... the words in those statements go a long ways in exposing the lies encompassing the events of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing and ... time and time again ... it reveals that a coverup was established early on to protect Joran and Paulus from implication.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++++


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

To your question as to what panty Natalee was wearing, I answer you the following. Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers.

[klaasend]

So who is Jeff and what's this about earrings?   

Not sure about Jeff but I remember some rumors a long time ago about one of Joran's girlfriends wearing some earings that looked alot like the ones Natalee was wearing that night.

Edited to add:  Maybe Jeff = Geof?  GVC?

[private eye]

Just received this correspondence from BONSAI MONKEY:

Bonsai responds....

Prayers to Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch, Underwater Expeditions and the R/V Persistence crew.   Thank you for giving up your time during this Holiday season.  You are truly God's answer to our prayers, and we know you are doing your utmost to bring Natalee home.

 

private eye says....

Does anyone else think Rudy Croes face resembles the ass of a goat?

 

Bonsai responds....

The goat would win the beauty contest...

I know there are a couple of women who are going to get a big kick out of that picture:) Of  course, I think she does really short changes the goat in this comparison. She wasn't meaning to be ugly, I think she was just trying to relax and let off some steam and have a much needed laugh!!!!!! And laugh we did. Immature, childish, I concede, but it did my heart good to hear them laugh!!!!!!!!!! Is he a wannbe Centurion??