Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Helen Back]

ARUBA IS CLOSED

thanks to the sloots

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[crazybabyborg]

Just posted on the front page of SM:

natalee wrote:

Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?

Ooooh. That's really eerie...............

[robots]

ARUBA IS CLOSED

DANGER - WARNING - TOXIC- SKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY-UGLY- GROSS-PATHETIC

you have been warned

[klaasend]

NYC - no that wasn't from the NL, someone from the USA.  I think it's probably from a regular poster either here or at BFN that was just trying to make a point.

[robots]

ARUBA is going out of busines

the only thing that will be left there are ADDICTS

drugs
alcohol
gambling
prostitution

and van der slugs leading the pack 

[NYC_lover]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.
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No idea who else this could be from everyone we know in this case. The only BF I can possibly think of earlier in the week would be GVC. Rubbing against her while dancing at C&C or possibly being the one in a uniform that was seen talking to her. The person was described as being a local man in his 20's,too old to be GVC.

I don't see Joran being scared shi*less of any of the pimps or witnesses we have talked about in this case. Unless it's Andre Meneses or someone else who's name is not in the case files and is some type of Colombian Drug lord or dangerous person that somehow is the 5th suspect.

Simian clearly tells you that the 5th suspect met Natalee in the casino.  Remember Checkme was another poster from Aruba. Simian knew Checkme.

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Hmhmhm.... yes the 5th suspect met Natalee in the casino. Because the 5th is Guido or Paulus.

[Helen Back]

One thing that has always made me think Lorenzo was involved somehow is that his family owns an import export business, I'm assuming somewhere near the port, or the container port.  Sorry, I can't find that info and address at the moment.

In one of Deepak's statements regarding the evening of Natalee's disapperance, he mentions that they drove past the container port.  I thought that an odd thing to mention unless they were afraid they had been spotted in the area.

Just my own thoughtprint sticking with me, I guess.  But since Hodges talks about the significance of a container regarding Deepak's statements about Nat, I always thought about other containers.  If you wanted to move someone around without being noticed, containerizing them in a crate or other shipping device would certainly be effective.  Crates and containers everywhere, sort of in plain view, yes?

[NYC_lover]

NYC - no that wasn't from the NL, someone from the USA.  I think it's probably from a regular poster either here or at BFN that was just trying to make a point.

Ok, thank you Klaasend. I think there is a group of posters that want people make crazy here. Gerard, this poster and an early poster that has post stupid and idiots things at the front page.

[klaasend]

This is another reason NOT to go to Aruba.  It's a very sad case.  This persons mom had a broken leg that I guess wasn't healing properly.  Very sad.  I hope whatever hospital she was shipped to in the US takes propper care of her. 

[Lala'sMom]

I was reading some of the old archives looking for something today and thought this post by Dash was interesting. Just FYI for anyone interested..goes to Joran buying that shot of 151 for her. I bet it was poured from the bottles with the special label.


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Scared Monkey


   
Rumor of Breaking News
« Reply #448 on: June 13, 2005, 08:08:01 PM »
   
I think that kid put something in her drink.  I'm not sure though, that's not a confirmed fact, it's just my opinion. We all got free food and drinks at the hotel, so very few of us wante dto pay for drinks in the club. Nat didn't bring that much money either, so if she did drink in the club, he would have bought it for her, allowing him to be able to easily slip something in it.

[klaasend]

NYC - no that wasn't from the NL, someone from the USA.  I think it's probably from a regular poster either here or at BFN that was just trying to make a point.

Ok, thank you Klaasend. I think there is a group of posters that want people make crazy here. Gerard, this poster and an early poster that has post stupid and idiots things at the front page.

I agree about Gerard.  This other person wasn't trying to actually pretend to be Natalee, he/she was just making a point.

[Helen Back]

Looks like the Persistence had a pretty good day! 

Update: 29-Dec- 2335 hrs

Dockside, the ROV team went into action this morning on board the Persistence. Before a test dive could be performed, all systems were checked and rechecked. Once the diagnostics were complete, the Persistence and crew went out to a test dive site known to be free of obstructions and major hazards to the ROV. The purpose of testing the ROV was two fold: 1) ensure all systems function perfectly underwater in full operation mode, and 2) prove the Persistence could hold location over the ROV, track the vehicle, and maneuver itself to keep the ROV umbilical cable out of the ship's screws.
During the first test dive, the deployment went smoothly. The ROV motored to the bow of the boat, while the captain kept the stern of the Persistence into the seas. The purpose of this maneuver was to keep the ROV umbilical out of the ship's screws. During this maneuver, the umbilical got temporarily hung up on the ship's hull, but freed itself. The visibility through the water column with the ROV cameras was excellent. When the ROV reached the seafloor we noticed it could not maintain control over it's attitude because of the very strong currents. On the second and third test dive more weight was added to better control the umbilical and ROV. At dusk, the final test was successful and proved we could maintain safe control over both the Persistence and ROV. With a sigh of relief from all, the Persistence and crew resumed survey mode. We will run additional sonar lines into the early morning.

[NYC_lover]

Can someone answer this question please? What time its in SD right now? Thank you so much!

[Lala'sMom]

One thing that has always made me think Lorenzo was involved somehow is that his family owns an import export business, I'm assuming somewhere near the port, or the container port.  Sorry, I can't find that info and address at the moment.

In one of Deepak's statements regarding the evening of Natalee's disapperance, he mentions that they drove past the container port.  I thought that an odd thing to mention unless they were afraid they had been spotted in the area.

Just my own thoughtprint sticking with me, I guess.  But since Hodges talks about the significance of a container regarding Deepak's statements about Nat, I always thought about other containers.  If you wanted to move someone around without being noticed, containerizing them in a crate or other shipping device would certainly be effective.  Crates and containers everywhere, sort of in plain view, yes?

What a clever way to hide the drugs...as in heroin and cocaine and others.  Just like in the movies. What kind of things did they export? Do you know?

[Tamikosmom]

In the Natalee Holloway case ... other than the security guards ... there were only seven formal suspects ... seven formal suspects who were held in pre-trial detainment. All the rest were considered witnesses who were brought in for questioning and immediately released ... Freddy and Lorenzo included.

1. Joran
2.  Deepak
3.  Satish
4.  Steve Croes
5.  Paulus
6.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
7.  Guido Wever

Janet

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Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.
 

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

[NYC_lover]

I agree about Gerard.  This other person wasn't trying to actually pretend to be Natalee, he/she was just making a point.

Ok. Only not sure about the last.

[klaasend]

Can someone answer this question please? What time its in SD right now? Thank you so much!

SD = San Diego or South Dakota? (lot's of other choices but those two came to mind  )

San Diego is 8:16pm

South Dakota is 10:16pm

[yapperz1]

One thing that has always made me think Lorenzo was involved somehow is that his family owns an import export business, I'm assuming somewhere near the port, or the container port.  Sorry, I can't find that info and address at the moment.

In one of Deepak's statements regarding the evening of Natalee's disapperance, he mentions that they drove past the container port.  I thought that an odd thing to mention unless they were afraid they had been spotted in the area.

Just my own thoughtprint sticking with me, I guess.  But since Hodges talks about the significance of a container regarding Deepak's statements about Nat, I always thought about other containers.  If you wanted to move someone around without being noticed, containerizing them in a crate or other shipping device would certainly be effective.  Crates and containers everywhere, sort of in plain view, yes?

Helen, it was Joran who mentioned the container harbor in his 6-9-2005 POV

<snip>
I have to say that while we were driving past the front of the container harbour, Natalee told me that her mother was the sister of "Hitler".

[NYC_lover]

Can someone answer this question please? What time its in SD right now? Thank you so much!

SD = San Diego or South Dakota? (lot's of other choices but those two came to mind  )

San Diego is 8:16pm

South Dakota is 10:16pm

It must be South Dakota. Thanks Klaasend!! 

[Helen Back]

In the Natalee Holloway case ... other than the security guards ... there were only seven formal suspects ... seven formal suspects who were held in pre-trial detainment. All the rest were considered witnesses who were brought in for questioning and immediately released ... Freddy and Lorenzo included.

1. Joran
2.  Deepak
3.  Satish
4.  Steve Croes
5.  Paulus
6.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
7.  Guido Wever

Janet

+++++++++++++++

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.
 

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

Janet,
I was just about to post the same Fox news blurb.  # 5: Natalee met Paulus in the casino.