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« Reply #760 on: December 30, 2007, 09:51:46 AM »

One thing that has always made me think Lorenzo was involved somehow is that his family owns an import export business, I'm assuming somewhere near the port, or the container port.  Sorry, I can't find that info and address at the moment.

In one of Deepak's statements regarding the evening of Natalee's disapperance, he mentions that they drove past the container port.  I thought that an odd thing to mention unless they were afraid they had been spotted in the area.

Just my own thoughtprint sticking with me, I guess.  But since Hodges talks about the significance of a container regarding Deepak's statements about Nat, I always thought about other containers.  If you wanted to move someone around without being noticed, containerizing them in a crate or other shipping device would certainly be effective.  Crates and containers everywhere, sort of in plain view, yes?



What a clever way to hide the drugs...as in heroin and cocaine and others.  Just like in the movies. What kind of things did they export? Do you know?


Lorenzo's father was in the Volkswagen import business, but he has been dead a long time.
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« Reply #761 on: December 30, 2007, 10:03:03 AM »

Natalee is sitting in Her Father's House, not at all alone, not at all cold, not at all concerned, as she is not of this world any more. He was there with her the night you attempted to brutalize her shielding her from any pain you tried to inflict, taking her hand and welcoming her into His Home. She is where we all hope to be. Beth is slowly becoming not only whole, but more than she was because she turned to God for help and accepted his plan. Still being of this earth, it has taken Beth a little longer to have her pain eased and her heart healed, but as He promises us, she has never had more than she can bear. The path she is on will bring her happiness and contentment once again. Who is crying, scared, and alone is her killers, young and old alike, and their accomplices and their mates. They are the ones who are afraid, alone, tortured, and hated for the rest of their miserable lives until they stop and do the right thing, which seems to be so terribly hard for these warped cowards. As time passes on, the island of Aruba will tire of the economic hardships the protection they have provided the guilty is causing them. The drug lords and organized crime people who own Aruba will get angry with the spotlight on their factory and the huge profits the guilty misfits are costing them and they will do what the courts of Aruba have refused to do. They will provide justice to the guilty, an out of court settlement so to speak, and it will be from the Old Testament. The guilty do not have their respect, as they have established themselves to be weak, poor liars, and a liability.

Its your choice, and YOU know who you are. Place your trust in the Lord and receive justice from the courts, or keep quite and chance receiving an out of court settlement from the owners of your island and your fellow citizens. Of course, there is the chance that the owners of the island don't mind losing millions of dollars to protect you. I certainly don't know them but maybe they value life so much that they are willing to protect you regardless of the cost to them. You know them much better than I, so I will trust you to make the best choice for you.

I understand that there is possibly a new plan in place whereby all boats in and out of Aruba will be searched for drugs. The same with all air traffic where allowed. I don't know if this will affect you are not, but it is sure going to curtail the drug traffic. Anyway, don't worry about Natalee and Beth. They are thriving, getting stronger everyday. I would worry about your own necks, and I don't mean that figuratively. You live amongst some very violent people.

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« Reply #762 on: December 30, 2007, 10:09:29 AM »

Gabby,

There is a article at RWV I believe that talked about the lunch date or whatever with Lorenzo. Also there was a seperate discussion on it at boostunit.com(Arubans)before they took it down. It was him that some people speculated that Natalee ate/met with. I'M not sure why or how that rumor got around so early in the case. I just wish we had one more solid piece of evidence to link this all together.




*******, thanks! I wanted to say that I had read it at RWV, but I wasnt sure as it was so long ago. When I mentioned it at another site I used to read at I was laughed at.
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« Reply #763 on: December 30, 2007, 11:05:45 AM »

Its an awfully pretty day outside, and with each new day hope should abound. I know that I feel the excitement for the possibilities that this day offers and I hope everyone else does too.

I just couldn't leave people thinking that Natalee was afraid, alone, and waiting to be found:))))))))
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« Reply #764 on: December 30, 2007, 11:19:39 AM »

In my opinion:

Half the time, you have the wrong Lorenzo.  Lorenzo van Rijn is not the one with the escort services at all.  He is a RECLUSE.  This means he does not go to night clubs or casinos much at all if ever.  He does not have RAVE parties and his nickname is not XTC.  My source for this is two people on the island.

He grows weed and from the looks of it, I would suspect that it is that Nederweed.  Some of the Dutch have turned their exquisite and exceptional botanical skills to the development of this product which is reported to be ten times stronger than regular pot.

The "party" the night Natalee disappeared had six people in attendance if you want to call that a Rave.  Did you ever think people might be protective of him because he suffers from problems and his father committed suicide making him four time more likely to do so himself by statistics? 

He is no more Joran's half brother than I am and Jossy has always qualified any statements about him, which are ALWAYS in answer to a question and never just on his own, with it is a rumor or "it is said."  That is a pure Julia rumor if I ever heard one, straight out of soap opera lore.  He was born in Aruba before Paulus moved there for one thing. 

He was questioned because of his previous drug arrests back when he did deal in XTC to see if they asked him to buy drugs or if he had sold them any X or GHB.  If he were really Joran's half brother or anything could be pinned on him, I believe Joran would have mentioned him in his book and certainly Anita and her minions from hell would have been doing so long ago.

In my opinion only but most of that I have verified with TWO sources from the island.  Where are his photos in the bars, etc.?  There aren't any because he is so reclusive.  Of course you can continue to stalk him if you like but it's a waste of time and this has been told several times to different people from islanders and yet it is just ignored.  Odd, that.

Flame away. . . . I just don't think it's right to try to force people to be involved who aren't.

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Hi there, please bear in mind I did not start that conversation about Lorenzo last night...nope I did not.  Now to a question, if you please. What do you know about the party with 6 people? Are you saying that Lorenzo had just a small get together at his house that same night and thus providing an alibi for him?  I would like to put Lorenzo to rest once and for all if that is possible. Tell us what you know about Lorenzo and the party or have I misunderstood your post. If so, I am sorry and wish you to explain. Thanks.
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« Reply #765 on: December 30, 2007, 11:28:25 AM »

In my opinion:

Half the time, you have the wrong Lorenzo.  Lorenzo van Rijn is not the one with the escort services at all.  He is a RECLUSE.  This means he does not go to night clubs or casinos much at all if ever.  He does not have RAVE parties and his nickname is not XTC.  My source for this is two people on the island.

He grows weed and from the looks of it, I would suspect that it is that Nederweed.  Some of the Dutch have turned their exquisite and exceptional botanical skills to the development of this product which is reported to be ten times stronger than regular pot.

The "party" the night Natalee disappeared had six people in attendance if you want to call that a Rave.  Did you ever think people might be protective of him because he suffers from problems and his father committed suicide making him four time more likely to do so himself by statistics? 

He is no more Joran's half brother than I am and Jossy has always qualified any statements about him, which are ALWAYS in answer to a question and never just on his own, with it is a rumor or "it is said."  That is a pure Julia rumor if I ever heard one, straight out of soap opera lore.  He was born in Aruba before Paulus moved there for one thing. 

He was questioned because of his previous drug arrests back when he did deal in XTC to see if they asked him to buy drugs or if he had sold them any X or GHB.  If he were really Joran's half brother or anything could be pinned on him, I believe Joran would have mentioned him in his book and certainly Anita and her minions from hell would have been doing so long ago.

In my opinion only but most of that I have verified with TWO sources from the island.  Where are his photos in the bars, etc.?  There aren't any because he is so reclusive.  Of course you can continue to stalk him if you like but it's a waste of time and this has been told several times to different people from islanders and yet it is just ignored.  Odd, that.

Flame away. . . . I just don't think it's right to try to force people to be involved who aren't.

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Hi there, please bear in mind I did not start that conversation about Lorenzo last night...nope I did not.  Now to a question, if you please. What do you know about the party with 6 people? Are you saying that Lorenzo had just a small get together at his house that same night and thus providing an alibi for him?  I would like to put Lorenzo to rest once and for all if that is possible. Tell us what you know about Lorenzo and the party or have I misunderstood your post. If so, I am sorry and wish you to explain. Thanks.

Surely he is kin to Rembrandt?
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« Reply #766 on: December 30, 2007, 11:29:22 AM »

Surely he ISN'T kin to Rembrandt!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #767 on: December 30, 2007, 11:31:09 AM »

Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn
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« Reply #768 on: December 30, 2007, 11:31:52 AM »

Nadira was interviewed twice on 6/2, once by Sir Frosted Flakes, and the Kalpoes stepfather by him on the same day! The first I can find of Paulus and Anita being questioned was 6/15.

What could the Kalpoes parents have possibly added to this investigation, but not the Sloots, at this time?    Hmmm.........
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« Reply #769 on: December 30, 2007, 11:32:26 AM »

Gabby,

There is a article at RWV I believe that talked about the lunch date or whatever with Lorenzo. Also there was a seperate discussion on it at boostunit.com(Arubans)before they took it down. It was him that some people speculated that Natalee ate/met with. I'M not sure why or how that rumor got around so early in the case. I just wish we had one more solid piece of evidence to link this all together.




*******, thanks! I wanted to say that I had read it at RWV, but I wasnt sure as it was so long ago. When I mentioned it at another site I used to read at I was laughed at.

I hope you don't mind, but I copied your earlier posts about Lorenzo into the Shango thread.  BTW just so you will know, I also read that same post..can't remember too much about it though...I really didn't like to go to RWV too much.  Once I found SM, I just settled in and stayed a while.  If you can possibly find or tell me more about that story I would appreciate it. I have looked often for that post and since I am so computer stupid, I had little luck.  I would like to put the Lorenzo rumor to rest if possible and if not, I want proof of his involvement.  Seems everyone was indeed thinking about him early on in Aruba, but that doesn't make him a legit suspect. If someone would just help me to resolve this, we could move on to someone else...such as Freddy or Paulus.  TIA
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« Reply #770 on: December 30, 2007, 11:34:57 AM »

I was sitting here drinking my coffee and reading the New York Post and came across this article.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/gossip/cindy/divine_interventions_for_2008_933027.htm

DIVINE' INTERVENTIONS FOR 2008

Cindy Adams Column

December 30, 2007 -- PAULA ROBERTS, a psychic Celt whom I have consulted since The Year of the Flood, reminds me she predicted 2007's record-breaking Kansas corn crop (the Grain Commission recently verified a 45 percent increase over the previous year) and, as verified by Oct. 7's International Herald Tribune, that the Sri Lankan army would use scorched-earth policies against the Tamil rebels. So, now her 2008 predictions:

* Hillary, president; John Edwards, VP.

* Following months of anxiety, come fall, stock market surges.

* Triple Crown suffers a serious pile-up of horses and jockeys.

* FDA warns prominent US cosmetic companies about product safety.

* Troops withdraw from Baghdad in preparation for full 2009 pullout.

* Come spring, Burma's military junta overthrown.

* Diplomatic negotiations avert war with Iran.

* Prince Philip's health problems cause Queen Elizabeth to semi-retire.

PSYCHIC-to-the-stars John Cohan, who correctly predicted Jennifer Lopez's double baby bump, now again predicts for the 21st year:

* Nicollette Sheridan going it solo is hot.

* Marie Osmond gets a movie career and a younger man.

* Rosie O'Donnell's new job is on a soap. And it goes on forever.

* Natalee Holloway's remains found in February.

* Packing up their scrapbooks, David and Victoria Beckham split.

* Jessica Simpson marries, has a baby boy, puts stardom on hold to do diapers.

* David Caruso breaks off with gal pal and takes up with Kristen Bell.

* Owen Wilson back in rehab. This time, lasting results.

* Joely Fisher moves on to a famous married male star who becomes unmarried.

AND for the first day of the New Year, I predict some of you will:

* Hop on your bicycle and ride nude to a liquor store.

* Try to blow up a balloon without using your mouth.

* Go to a rescue mission and comb broken glass out of a wino's hair.

* Take a soothing bath with Bubbles but first be sure Bubbles is dressed before your wife comes back.

* Walk the beach, put a shell to your ear and swear it whispers, "Jacques Cousteau got a whale in trouble."

* Tell your pastor: "Lead me not into temptation. I know the way myself."

* Drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

AND, from paranormal savant C. Adams:

* Jay Leno. If the writers stay striking, he'll have jokes fed to him intravenously.

* George W. Bush. Denies allegations that he malaprops and demands to see the alligator.

* Pamela Anderson enrolls her children in Our Lady of Unbelievable Proportions school.

* Calista Flockhart gets pregnant and begins eating for one.

* Liza with a Z records the new song, "Divorce with a D."

* Tom Cruise, who only comes up to wife Katie Holmes' chest, swears to come up there often.

* Gambler Pete Rose eats at a neighbor's house because he says it gives him better odds.

* Former US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has created the NRA's new slogan: "Not guns but people without lawyers kill people."

* Woody Allen - actor, comedian, filmmaker, writer, producer, director, musician - finally realizes he can't hold a job.

* Heidi Fleiss doing a DVD on how to be a hooker. It's called "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang . . . Bang . . . Bang . . . Bang . . ."

* Gene Simmons removes the "Applause" sign from over his bed.

* Billy Ray Cyrus, not that he's getting old, but with daughter Miley gaining on him, will record the new song, "Achy Breaky Hip."

* And always good for a quote, chatty Alan Greenspan, asked if America's in an economic slump, will reply: "There exists a meaningful downturn in aggregate output."

More predictions tomorrow.
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« Reply #771 on: December 30, 2007, 12:01:42 PM »

Can anyone tell me where this is located, please? Would it be considered 'outside the city'? TIA

The van Cromvoirt house –  Located at 14-D Paradera, Aruba.
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« Reply #772 on: December 30, 2007, 12:07:36 PM »

I know this is futile...but I will attempt this once again.  Rolling Eyes


In order to be the 5th suspect you have to meet these criteria:

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind.
2. He was the HOST of this party.
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left.
4. The people that provided the alibi are the "others".
5. He has some contact with Natalee a few days before in the casino and it was before she met Joran.
6. The alibi worked for him.


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.


Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.




Does this fit Lorenzo???

1. Yes, it has been rumored that he had a small party at his house that night.
2. If it was at his house, then he most likely would be the host.
3. Max Arends provided his alibi...we have not seen his PV so we have no idea if he was at this party also. Simian says it was just a "simple" party.
4. Simian indicates more than one person provided the alibi...I only know about Max Arends from Race Junkies providing alibi for Lorenzo...so for now there appear to be no "others".
5.  Unless we can establish that Lorenzo is the person that Natalee had lunch with at some point of talked to after meeting him in the casino a few days before Joran we are still at a stalemate on this one.
6. Apparently the alibi for Lorenzo let him off the hook.  Even Jacobs had removed him from the list.

So let's see...Party..yes. Alibi...yes..met Natalee?  We don't know. Alibi works...yes.


Now let's look at Freddy...

1. Rumors of a family get together...where was the party?  At Freddy's?  Don't know.
2. Was he the host?  Depends on where the party or family reunion was...if at his place then the answer is yes.
3. Two girls provided an alibi for him and Joran...I can't remember their names at the moment.
4. More than one person...two females...would qualify as "others". So If true, then yes the others provided his alibi that he was at the party and he did not leave.
5. Did Natalee meet Freddy BEFORE Joran at the casino?  Did she have lunch with him or whatever?  We have yet to establish that fact.  THIS IS THE STICKING POINT HERE TO FREDDY BEING THE 5th.
6.  His alibi obviously worked for him.  He was not held in connection with Natalee's disappearance. I will say this...he was involved with the movie making aspect, but still they let him go.

Now, let's proceed to Paulus...

1. and 2. Did Paulus have a party at his place after he left the casino?  We know he was sitting there at the blackjack table with Joran...so what time was this party?  Is there any evidence that he returned to his house to host a party? This is crucial to place him as a 5th suspect.
3. and 4. Who provided his alibi?  Was there more than one person at this party?  Could the term party have been meant as a reference to Natalee being brought to him?  Would the "others" have been those involved also?  This thought has intrigued me for a while now.
5. Did Paulus meet Natalee in the casnio or at lunch BEFORE she sat down at that blackjack table? T
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« Reply #773 on: December 30, 2007, 12:13:35 PM »

Sorry, I hit submit before I finished.  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

continuing....

5. The blackjack table...if it can be established that Paulus met Natalee BEFORE Joran at the casino...earlier in the week...then this is crucial.
6. Paulus alibi worked for him...he didn't need an alibi they let him go...so I have no answer for this one.

So with Paulus it is...

Party...don't know...alibi....don't know...met Natalee before Joran....don't know.

Sorry, I messed that up...but this is all I have so far...Now please someo fyou really smart monkeys...rip it apart and let's decide if Lorenzo is the one or if it's Freddy or is it Paulus?  Or maybe someone else....have at it. 
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« Reply #774 on: December 30, 2007, 12:13:57 PM »

The " boyfriends " name has never been disclosed.
I don't doubt that Natalee had her share of admirers, the MB girls who did not have boyfriends in the group were all attractive and probably were hit on alot.
There was no mention of anyone on particular in any of the FBI statements.
The thing with GVC on the Friday doesn't seem to have anything to do with this.
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Glad to read that things are going well on the ship with the search. 


I have a tendency to think maybe it does.  Joran was soooo angry about Natalee being a "goody two shoes", and made many remarks about Beth thinking she was a virgin.  I think this anger may come from this thing that happened.  They may have thought her a snob for rebuking this advance.  I feel that the attitude there is "you know you want it" type of thing, and this may have angered them.  Does that make sense to anyone?

I also wonder where Guido fits in to all of this.  I think he is the one with the alibi.   He was the only one held on suspicion of heavy battery, His lawyer being so well known and fighting so quickly, and succeeding in keeping him out of jail, it just seems to point to guilt to me.
I thought it was Deepak who  didn't like the " goody two shoes " version of Natalee and that was much later.
I didn't know that Deepak, Satish or Joran were at C & C's on the Friday or knew anyhting about htis episode with GVC.
As far as a lunch date with an older man, that came from a poster and there never was anything else to substantiate it. I also think it was Steve Croes who had the connection to Lorenzo. Or one of Steve's freinds. Croes said he was in C & C's that night instead of working and maybe he needed to account for his time. Don't forget, he backed up seeing the HI drop off that never happened.   
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« Reply #775 on: December 30, 2007, 12:14:23 PM »

In my opinion:

Half the time, you have the wrong Lorenzo.  Lorenzo van Rijn is not the one with the escort services at all.  He is a RECLUSE.  This means he does not go to night clubs or casinos much at all if ever.  He does not have RAVE parties and his nickname is not XTC.  My source for this is two people on the island.

He grows weed and from the looks of it, I would suspect that it is that Nederweed.  Some of the Dutch have turned their exquisite and exceptional botanical skills to the development of this product which is reported to be ten times stronger than regular pot.

The "party" the night Natalee disappeared had six people in attendance if you want to call that a Rave.  Did you ever think people might be protective of him because he suffers from problems and his father committed suicide making him four time more likely to do so himself by statistics? 

He is no more Joran's half brother than I am and Jossy has always qualified any statements about him, which are ALWAYS in answer to a question and never just on his own, with it is a rumor or "it is said."  That is a pure Julia rumor if I ever heard one, straight out of soap opera lore.  He was born in Aruba before Paulus moved there for one thing. 

He was questioned because of his previous drug arrests back when he did deal in XTC to see if they asked him to buy drugs or if he had sold them any X or GHB.  If he were really Joran's half brother or anything could be pinned on him, I believe Joran would have mentioned him in his book and certainly Anita and her minions from hell would have been doing so long ago.

In my opinion only but most of that I have verified with TWO sources from the island.  Where are his photos in the bars, etc.?  There aren't any because he is so reclusive.  Of course you can continue to stalk him if you like but it's a waste of time and this has been told several times to different people from islanders and yet it is just ignored.  Odd, that.

Flame away. . . . I just don't think it's right to try to force people to be involved who aren't.

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Hmmmm....I find it odd that Joran mentions every odd theory (Dutch marine etc.), in his book,  but absolutely no mention of Lorenzo.  Sometimes it's in the what is not said....
I understand the concept of a recluse but to not find a picture anywhere, early on, when even the gov. officials had "tickle" sites, seems odd. How many recluses drive vans that look like that?
Don't think Sloots got to the island until Joran was two.  Who knows the history of Paulus and Astrid.  Maybe that was the real attraction (initially).  Maybe Paulus is not really Joran's father (he addresses him as Paul) and Paulus wanted to be by his real son.  Who knows.  Anything is possible.
I do believe Lorenzo was brought in and questioned early.  Everyone would have us believe he is fragile.  If anything, I think he's the image of undercover DEA (or Dutch equivalent).  He certainly has been untouchable for some reason.
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« Reply #776 on: December 30, 2007, 12:19:40 PM »

Where, at what site, so shango and simian originally place their posts? Do we know?
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« Reply #777 on: December 30, 2007, 12:21:47 PM »

Where, at what site, so shango and simian originally place their posts? Do we know?

I think front page of SM.
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« Reply #778 on: December 30, 2007, 12:22:36 PM »

I know this is futile...but I will attempt this once again.  Rolling Eyes


In order to be the 5th suspect you have to meet these criteria:

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind.
2. He was the HOST of this party.
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left.
4. The people that provided the alibi are the "others".
5. He has some contact with Natalee a few days before in the casino and it was before she met Joran.
6. The alibi worked for him.


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.


Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.




Does this fit Lorenzo???

1. Yes, it has been rumored that he had a small party at his house that night.
2. If it was at his house, then he most likely would be the host.
3. Max Arends provided his alibi...we have not seen his PV so we have no idea if he was at this party also. Simian says it was just a "simple" party.
4. Simian indicates more than one person provided the alibi...I only know about Max Arends from Race Junkies providing alibi for Lorenzo...so for now there appear to be no "others".
5.  Unless we can establish that Lorenzo is the person that Natalee had lunch with at some point of talked to after meeting him in the casino a few days before Joran we are still at a stalemate on this one.
6. Apparently the alibi for Lorenzo let him off the hook.  Even Jacobs had removed him from the list.

So let's see...Party..yes. Alibi...yes..met Natalee?  We don't know. Alibi works...yes.


Now let's look at Freddy...

1. Rumors of a family get together...where was the party?  At Freddy's?  Don't know.
2. Was he the host?  Depends on where the party or family reunion was...if at his place then the answer is yes. Possibly family over for the Soul festival per J's book
3. Two girls provided an alibi for him and Joran...I can't remember their names at the moment.
4. More than one person...two females...would qualify as "others". So If true, then yes the others provided his alibi that he was at the party and he did not leave. Per book - his family
5. Did Natalee meet Freddy BEFORE Joran at the casino?  Did she have lunch with him or whatever?  We have yet to establish that fact.  THIS IS THE STICKING POINT HERE TO FREDDY BEING THE 5th. Per book again-Freddy, Joran and Jaime scoped out the tourists
6.  His alibi obviously worked for him.  He was not held in connection with Natalee's disappearance. I will say this...he was involved with the movie making aspect, but still they let him go.

Now, let's proceed to Paulus...

1. and 2. Did Paulus have a party at his place after he left the casino?  We know he was sitting there at the blackjack table with Joran...so what time was this party?  Is there any evidence that he returned to his house to host a party? This is crucial to place him as a 5th suspect.
3. and 4. Who provided his alibi?  Was there more than one person at this party?  Could the term party have been meant as a reference to Natalee being brought to him?  Would the "others" have been those involved also?  This thought has intrigued me for a while now.
5. Did Paulus meet Natalee in the casnio or at lunch BEFORE she sat down at that blackjack table? T


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« Reply #779 on: December 30, 2007, 12:30:08 PM »

Can anyone tell me where this is located, please? Would it be considered 'outside the city'? TIA

The van Cromvoirt house –  Located at 14-D Paradera, Aruba.

Here are some pictures of GVC's home.  I don't know where it is located.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,902,00.html#1_0
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