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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2007, 01:57:30 PM »

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp

The company that sold and installed the crematorium in Aruba

Yes, that's it...a poster here, Rob, contacted them long ago to verify.
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2007, 02:02:24 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   12/24/2007

Interesting - the printed ineundoes.

Persistance continues wit expedition to Holloway

The Persistance searching the seabed for the remains of Natalee Holloway.


ORANJESTAD – The decision of the Public Prosecutor to dismiss the Holloway-case has no effect on the investigation of the special ship Persistance, emphasized the crew that started to scan the seabed around Aruba on Tuesday.  With the best equipment in the world, they are trying to find Holloway.  Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father announced the arrival of the ship one month ago.  However, the ship’s arrival was delayed by the tropical storm Olga.

The ship has modern sonological-equipment that can scan up to 4000 meters deep. 

The ship can scan very deep seabeds.  The ship will first determine the topographical situation of the sea around Aruba till the sea border with Venezuela.   The speed of the sound under water is measured with a sound velocity profile (SVP).  This is needed for the calculation of data during the scan.  Strange abnormal forms on the seabed can be captured with that.   

Maritime geologist Kyle Kingman, who maintains a blog about the expedition on www.nholloway.blogspot.com compares the seabed with an ‘old living creature from the end of the cretaceous period, full of stories’.  “We know that this creature is making sure that he does not abandon his secrets”, writes Kingman.  He expects though that when the side scan sonar is activated, the contents of each split is going to be revealed and can be seen on a monitor in the computer room.  He says though that it remains difficult, like a shopping cart in an area as big as Manhattan.   

The search is of course going to cost a lot.  There are 18 people working with the most modern and expensive instruments on board of the ship.  Project manager Tim Miller doesn’t want to confirm that millions of dollars in donations are paying for this search.  “We don’t want media-attention; we only want to do our job.”  He only wanted to talk to Diario.  Also the office of the organization Texas Equusearch (TES), of which Miller is the founder, doesn’t want to say anything.  This abundantly sponsored American organization is specialized in search actions for mainly missing fellow country persons.  TES has already searched for Natalee two years ago, but only to a depth of 100 meters at that time.   

The organization receives a lot of monetary- as well as emotional support on the weblog.  This support is mainly from people that give the Lord’s blessing and that ask everybody to pray for the crew on the ship and the Holloway family.  Criticism is not really tolerated on the website.  These are not even added to the log.  An anonymous informant is wondering whether the authorities are on board of the ship for if they find evidence.  The lawyers of the former suspects are afraid that evidence can be planted by the crew.  “They may just drop or add a purse for example.” 

The OM does not cooperate with the search action, but wants to be kept informed of whatever is discovered that can be of interest.  It is not known whether the crew has applied for a work permit for the search with the government.


These nasty bastards from these Caribbean newspapers never cease to amaze me, at the depths to which they will sink to denigrate the memory of a dead person. 
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2007, 02:04:28 PM »

High Dutch visit for Aruba and the Antilles.
Minister Balkende goes visit Aruba at February 11, 2008
http://msn.anp.nl/msn/nieuws.do?action=article&id=5370082
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I am glad hear this media attention from the Netherlands. ‘Recherche verdraait informatie te vaak’
Investigators in a black breach and again a bad name of the Dutch police. It smells again to Corrpution and a negative researching in missing persons cases
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2007, 02:20:47 PM »

Aruba can take their work permit and shove it right up their ass.


Anyone on Aruba who wants to use a work permit as an excuse to interfere with the search of a missing American on their land or in their water should get their jaw immediatley broken by a Navy Seal.
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2007, 02:25:33 PM »

So is this article telling us that there is a purse to be found?  What else does the jerk that wrote that article know?  What was their involvement?

To whatever asshole wrote that article - remember, when you point your finger at someone, there are 3 more pointing right back at you!!! 


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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2007, 02:28:22 PM »

Aruba likes to point out that the refinery there was of use to the US in WWII. They fail to realize that it was built by US companies and is owned and operated by US companies. It is true that Areubans work there, but they are paid high wages for doing so. So what is it that they think they have given us? If the US did not protect it the Germans would have taken Aruba over, and Aruba having a large Jewish population would not have fared so well. Granted they were a good ally, but given to us?
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2007, 02:30:23 PM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/12/27/

Another suicide; 16 yo boy. Found in his room by his mama.

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HOBEN DI 16 AÑA A COMETE SUICIDIO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diaranzon madruga, un hoben den pleno flor di su bida, a comete e acto extremo di suicidio.

  Esaki a socede na Bushiri 74, y ta su propio mama a bin descubri e hoben colga na e cama den camber.

   E hoben di inicial J.G. di 16 aña a opta pa pone un fin na su bida, envez di busca yudanza.
   Kico a pone haci e acto aki, e so sa.  Pero awor e ta laga tur su famia, amigo, y muchanan conocir di dje na school den tristeza inmenso.

   Hobennan di Aruba mester por sa cu pa cualkier problema na mundo, tin solucion.  Pesey ta importante pa bo papia!  Sea cu bo maestro, of bo mayornan mes, of bo omo, y hasta abuelo y abuela.  Ademas Aruba ta disfruta di un bon sistema di Telefon pa Hubentud cu tambe por yuda.

   Si abo como un adulto, bo haya un hoben acercabo y mustrabo cu e tin pensamentonan extremo asina, por fabor bati bel y haci algo!

   Polis a presenta, como tambe autoridadnan halto di Aruba, kendenan a bay pone nan mes na altura di e sucedido.  Na final, Funeraria Zepp Wever a transporta e restonan mortal.  Na famia di e hoben, DIARIO ta extende su mas profundo palabra di condolencia.

Online Pap translation:

young of 16 year owing to comete suicidio

oranjestad (aan): diaranzon madruga, one young in pleno flower of his life, owing to comete the acto extremo of suicidio.

this owing to socede at bushiri 74, y is his own mother owing to come descubri the young colga at the cama in camber.

the young of inicial j.g. of 16 year owing to opta for place one end at his life, envez of busca yudanza.
kico owing to place haci the acto here, the only know. but now the is let all his family, amigo, y children conocir of dje at school in tristeza inmenso.

hobennan of aruba have to can know cu for cualkier problem at world, have solucion. pesey is important for do you talk! as cu do you perfect, or do you parents self, or do you uncle, y even abuelo y abuela. besides aruba is disfruta of one good sistema of telephone for hubentud cu also can help.

if you because; one adult, do you achieve one young acercabo y mustrabo cu the have pensamentonan extremo so, can please beat thigh y haci algo!

police owing to present, because; also autoridadnan high of aruba, kendenan owing to bay place they self at height of the sucedido. at end, funeraria zepp wever owing to transporta the restonan deadly. at family of the young, daily paper is extende his more deep word of condolencia.

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Fight breaks out at Havana Beach Club, involves at least one pistol.

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Nan a causa problema y pelea pafor di Nightclub!

POLIS A CAPTURA HOBENNAN CORIENDO DI PISTOOL DEN AUTO


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Pueblo di Aruba a fada di e asunto cu hobennan ta kere cu ta un “videogame” nan ta hungando cu arma riba caya!

   Pesey Diaranzon madruga durante cu tabatin un fiesta andando den Havana Beach Club, testigonan pafor a mira con un grupo di hende a cuminza bringa cu otro.  Mokete y golpi a spat di pariba-pabao, y di pazuid-panort.  Security a trata di domina e situacion, pero tabata dificil.

   Finalmente testigonan a mira con un di e hobennan aki a saca arma, pa asina blof cuanto “power” e tin.

   Despues di esey, e grupo di bringador rebelde a bay, drenta den un Nissan Sentra color shinishi cu number A-42250, y ainda ta zwaai nan arma rond pa blof tur hende eybanda cuanto “guts” nan tin, y cu nan ta intemible.

   Pero Polis a haya sa tur e detayenan aki, incluyendo informe ta cual di e hobennan tin e arma, y unda e vehiculo ta bayendo.

   Dos unidad di Polis a subi caya, y a cuminza busca riba Lloyd G. Smith Boulevard, y un tiki pariba di Royal Plaza Mall, nan a presenta di sorpresa riba e vehiculo, y tur hende den e auto a haya nan ta hisa man cu “hands up”.

   Polis a detene e hobennan den e vehiculo, y a haya sa cu e auto ta pertenece na un adres na Coba Lodo.

   Polis a tira bista, y a bin haya e arma cu su balanan poni den dje.
   Como cu eybanda tabatin hopi hende burachi riba caya, Polis a opta pa mobiliza mesora di e area, y a bay cu e hobennan pa Warda di polis, unda nan tur a worde encarcela.

   Nan lo bay pasa un mal Pasco, y kizas hasta Aña Nobo ta loer wowo den scuridad di cel di Polis.

Online Pap translation:

they owing to cause problem y action abroad of nightclub!

police owing to captura hobennan coriendo of pistool in car


oranjestad (aan): people of aruba owing to fada of the asunto cu hobennan is believe cu is one “videogame” they're hungando cu arm on caya!

pesey diaranzon madruga during cu had one party andando in havana beach club, testigonan abroad owing to see con one are of person owing to cuminza fight cu another. fist y golpi owing to spat of pariba-pabao, y of pazuid-panort. security owing to deal of domina the situation, but was dificil.

finalmente testigonan owing to see con one of the hobennan here owing to saca arm, for so blof cuanto “power” the have.

after of esey, the are of bringador rebel owing to bay, enter in one nissan sentra color grey cu number a-42250, y still is zwaai they arm rond for blof everybody eybanda cuanto “guts” they have, y cu they're intemible.

but police owing to achieve know all the detayenan here, incluyendo informe is cual of the hobennan have the arm, y where the vehiculo is bayendo.

two unidad of police owing to lever caya, y owing to cuminza busca on lloyd g. smith boulevard, y one bit east of royal plaza mall, they owing to present of surprise on the vehiculo, y everybody in the car owing to achieve they're hoist hand cu “hands up”.

police owing to detene the hobennan in the vehiculo, y owing to achieve know cu the car is pertenece at one adres at coba mud.

police owing to throw view, y owing to come achieve the arm cu his balanan poni in dje.
because; cu eybanda had much person sober on caya, police owing to opta for mobiliza at once of the area, y owing to bay cu the hobennan for keep of police, where they all owing to worde encarcela.

they will bay happen one bad pasco, y kizas even year new is loer eye in scuridad of cel of police.

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Three young men bring firearm when paying a call on a relative.

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TRES JONCUMAN A BAY BISHITA HENDE PERO CU ARMA DEN NAN PODER

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Prome, durante, y despues di Pasco, e rapportnan di polis ta reporta cu en general, e cantidad di asistencia policial solicita tabata abao, compara cu añanan anterior.

   Ta djis aki-aya tabata tin caso cu a keda atende, entre otro Diamars marduga.
   Central di polis a dirigi patruya di Oranjestad na un cas den Caya Sint Vincent. Informe lo ta indica cu tin un grupo di hoben den un cas, cual un di nan lo ta den position di un arma di candela.

   Patruya cu a presenta via-via a worde informa, na e cas polis a papia cu doño di cas y segun su version enberdad un grupo di hoben a bin bishita su subrina. Y un di e bishitantenan lo tin un arma.

   Pero aparentemente e grupo tambe a nota presencia di polis y nan a sali na careda bandona e cas. Polis tambe a tuma nota di un grupo na careda, e agentenan a core tras di nan y a logra gara tres hoben.  Nan inicialnan ta M.E. di 15 aña, B.L. di 16 aña, y J.M. di 17 aña.

   Polis a listra e trio y  riba ningun a haya arma. Probablemente esun di cuatro cu a logra scapa for di gara policial no a  worde localiza.

   E caso ta worde investiga mas profundo.

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three joncuman owing to bay visit person but
cu arm in they power


oranjestad (aan): first, during, y after of pasco, the rapportnan of police is reporta cu provided that general, the cantidad of asistencia policial solicita was abao, compara cu añanan anterior.

is immidiately aki-aya was have caso cu owing to stay atende, among another tuesday marduga.
central of police owing to dirigi patrol of oranjestad at one cas in caya sint vincent. informe will is indica cu have one are of young in one cas, cual one of they will is in position of one arm of candela.

patrol cu owing to present via-via owing to worde informa, at the cas police owing to talk cu owner of cas y according his version enberdad one are of young owing to come visit his niece. y one of the bishitantenan will have one arm.

but apparently the are also owing to notice presencia of police y they owing to leave at careda bandona the cas. police also did take notice of one are at careda, the agentenan owing to core behind they y owing to succeed grab three young. they inicialnan is m.e. of 15 year, b.l. of 16 year, y j.m. of 17 year.

police owing to listra the trio y on none owing to achieve arm. probably esun of cuatro cu owing to succeed scapa for of grab policial not owing to worde localiza.

the caso is worde investiga more deep.

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Alert tourist(s) apparently save a local, sleeping (?) on the beach, from possible drowning?

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Varios turista a mira e sucedido….

MUHER A MANDA AUTO FOR DI BARANCA NA BOCA MAHOS Y SCAPA MILAGROSAMENTE


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Un muher cu tabata tin problema cu su casa a manda un auto for di baranca na costanan panort di nos isla.

Esaki tabata net un poco pariba di Boca Mahos unda turistanan tabata testigo di loke cu a pasa.
Polis a bay na e lugar mientras cu ambulans y bomberonan tambe a worde notifica di e caso aki.

Mesora nan a manda nan unidadnan na e lugar y na yegada a topa cu un muher drumi riba e beach cerca eybanda.
Turistanan ta bisa cu nan a mira con e muher a manda e auto for di baranca.

E muher tabata bin cu velocidad halto y sin tene na cuenta a djis bula cu e auto na awa.

Segun informacion e muher di fam R biba na Cashero y cu conocirnan na Balashi tin problema cu su homber.

Den e temporada aki di union familiar hopi hende no por biba cu e situacion aki y pesey mes tin biaha nan ta tuma tal decision.
Ambulans a bay cu e muher urgente pa hospital cu cortanan na curpa door di e lama bruto cu a batie den baranca intentando pa sali back for di lama.

Na hospital el a haya atencion medico y kizas yudanza tambe pa e problema cu e tabata tin cu a conduci na tal decision.

El a scapa milagrosamente di e sucedido.

Online Pap translation:

several tourist owing to see the sucedido….

muher owing to send car for of baranca at mouth ugly y scapa milagrosamente


oranjestad(aan): one muher cu was have problem cu his casa owing to send one car for of baranca at costanan panort of we island.

this was just one some east of mouth ugly where turistanan was witness of thing cu owing to happen.
police owing to bay at the lugar while cu ambulance y bomberonan also owing to worde notifica of the caso here.

at once they owing to send they unidadnan at the lugar y at arrival owing to come across cu one muher sleep on the beach close eybanda. turistanan is tell cu they owing to see con the muher owing to send the car for of baranca.

the muher was come cu velocidad high y without as at cuenta owing to immidiately fly cu the car at water.
 
according informacion the muher of surname r live at cashero y cu conocirnan at balashi have problem cu his man.

in the season here of union familiar much person not can live cu the situation here y pesey self have trip they're take such decision.
ambulance owing to bay cu the muher urgente for hospital cu cortanan at curpa door of the lama bruto cu owing to batie in baranca intentando for leave back for of lama.

at hospital past owing to achieve atencion medico y kizas yudanza also for her problem cu the was have cu owing to conduci at such decision.

past owing to scapa milagrosamente of the sucedido.

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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2007, 02:33:18 PM »

Aruba can take their work permit and shove it right up their ass.


Anyone on Aruba who wants to use a work permit as an excuse to interfere with the search of a missing American on their land or in their water should get their jaw immediatley broken by a Navy Seal.

Any work permits demanded for this should be met with condemnation by Arubans who are tired of dope dealing, human trafficking, gambling and prostitution whose worthiness is lauded by the likes of Bon Dia, Amigoes, ArubaToday, etc., whose silence on the subject is evidence of their unspoken praise of all things evil.
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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »

Oh Nuts. I forgot to copy/paste today's Diario articles at the M&C thread.

klaas, CBB, OBS, anyone -- Can you Quote it over to M&C? It's a bit long, and you know how the tags don't stay ... TY.


I'll get it - nevermind, ******* beat me too it, lol  Laughing
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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2007, 02:36:59 PM »

I think we are a little past that at this point.  It is time to start meeting these jerkoffs with a little violence.
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2007, 02:38:50 PM »

Would love to see Joe T's, Rosemary A's and foresic whatever Archer's work permits!
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2007, 02:41:40 PM »

It sounds like suicide is a national pasttime in Aruba.  Young people, old people and hard-working, honest people should stay away from that evil place.  There must be something in the water that makes people so evil, so depressed, so bent on killing themselves or someone else.
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« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2007, 02:42:08 PM »

I don't know much about the work permit thing on Aruba, or about the money involved with this search.

Having said that - if the crew is volunteering their time (which is my understanding), they aren't taking any paying jobs from Aruba.

Further, Aruba has no one capable of working with the equipment on board, so the technicans aren't taking any paying jobs from Aruba - whether the technicans are being paid or also are volunteering.

Work Permits are to prevent outsiders from taking paying jobs from the locals. It simply isn't an applicable restriction or procedure for this deep water search.

I believe I read early on that Tim Miller invited anyone from ALE to be on board, an invitation that apparently was declined or ignored. Maybe someone has that quote saved.

This is my humble, but nonetheless, educated opinion.
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« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2007, 02:46:33 PM »

I think we are a little past that at this point.  It is time to start meeting these jerkoffs with a little violence.

Maybe start strapping bombs on these suicide victims Laughing Laughing Laughing
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« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2007, 02:53:18 PM »

I don't know much about the work permit thing on Aruba, or about the money involved with this search.

Having said that - if the crew is volunteering their time (which is my understanding), they aren't taking any paying jobs from Aruba.

Further, Aruba has no one capable of working with the equipment on board, so the technicans aren't taking any paying jobs from Aruba - whether the technicans are being paid or also are volunteering.

Work Permits are to prevent outsiders from taking paying jobs from the locals. It simply isn't an applicable restriction or procedure for this deep water search.

I believe I read early on that Tim Miller invited anyone from ALE to be on board, an invitation that apparently was declined or ignored. Maybe someone has that quote saved.

This is my humble, but nonetheless, educated opinion.

Msmarple....at one point Deepak was denied a work permit, but now it seems that there are not enough Arubans qualified to work in an internet cafe. Wink
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« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2007, 02:55:04 PM »

I think we are a little past that at this point.  It is time to start meeting these jerkoffs with a little violence.

Maybe start strapping bombs on these suicide victims Laughing Laughing Laughing

set a few out on their runways and a few in their 2 major ports and Aruba would be owned.  Hell, a small team of rednecks could probably own Aruba before Jacobs finished his cornflakes.

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« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2007, 02:57:13 PM »

and before anyone gets their panties all wadded up, that was a joke  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2007, 02:57:29 PM »

Have not included details of 17th and 18th. Maybe it will help ******* to see why Rene’s wife murdered him! LOL!

June 16th to 17th.ORANJESTAD - The death of Rene van Heyningen, on the night of Thursday, 16 on Friday, June 17, 2005, were relationship problems in advance. The man was violent and jealous women

She's a liar and I see no reason to believe anything that she says! Including Rene was Violent and had multiple other GF'S. The Investigation shows that no way one person let alone a small female could have lifted his body where it was placed. She replied that she had inexplicable force(Super Human Strength) at the time  Rolling Eyes Prosecution called her a liar that she did it on her own and we know 2 others were involved. Also the autopsy shows multiple weapons were used but her story only says a machete. Its all BS just like the murder of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan.

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« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2007, 03:00:31 PM »

Interesting reading today. Well the good news is if the ship finds any chests filled with gold and jewels, then it will belong to Aruba and they will have to print something nice. Too bad the anchor they found probably can't save the country. I'm sure they can give the GPS coordinates and the news paper can sponsor with work permits, a recovery of the anchor.
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« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2007, 03:05:09 PM »

Have not included details of 17th and 18th. Maybe it will help ******* to see why Rene’s wife murdered him! LOL!

June 16th to 17th.ORANJESTAD - The death of Rene van Heyningen, on the night of Thursday, 16 on Friday, June 17, 2005, were relationship problems in advance. The man was violent and jealous women

She's a liar and I see no reason to believe anything that she says! Including Rene was Violent and had multiple other GF'S. The Investigation shows that no way one person let alone a small female could have lifted his body where it was placed. She replied that she had inexplicable force(Super Human Strength) at the time  Rolling Eyes Prosecution called her a liar that she did it on her own and we know 2 others were involved. Also the autopsy shows multiple weapons were used but her story only says a machete. Its all BS just like the murder of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan.



Totally agree. Will have to put a list together of all the 'deaths' that could be associated with this case. Any thoughts on why Satish was not questioned from 611 to 6/18 except by Judge Wit.

LOL Kiwi!
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