Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Observer]

******* ... has an English translation of the Bon Dia Aruba  article where Bob Witt denies reducing the scope of the search been posted on the forum yet?
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Hi Janet,Not that I have seen and I was hoping Amigoe would run the article. I don't care who the dirty corrupt lying slimebags are I just want answers. I am sick of no questions ever being answered,pointing the fingers elsewhere and no one taking the blame for anything. Nothing is one definite answer but I knowThey are caught red handed in this lie and its HUGE

We know PVDS was the head legal advisor for the Govt at one time,Worked for the Attorney General,worked on Govt contracts,good friends with the Chief of Police,knew the Minister of Justice well and was a Deputy Judge for 3 years. Working for the AG could explain somethings,like why she instructed Karen Janssen to not communicate with Beth's Family and never give interviews. What else did that Dept do to deny Natalee justice? Paul Van Der Sloot knew everyone that made important decisions in Natalee's case and it's sickening:(

[Tylergal]

I should have reviewed and edited my last post.

I am going way out on a limb here, but I believe that judges (when they come from one rat's nest island (Curaco) to the next (Aruba), were given an allotment to spend for food, clothing, shelter, travel and bedding (travel expenses, sotapspeak). 

My guess would be that some of that money was given to Anita & Paulus for housing their judge guests, in providing entertainment and lodging, so this judge, Judge Witt/Smit/Snit (who looks like a pedophile was staying over that night) at his home-away-from home  just as he could have been doing the night Natalee went missing.  Was he in the casino with Paulus that night?  Was he an older man?

If Anita had not run off to the Netherlands, she would have been there to get that all-night party together for her guests (did not Joran admonish her of this?) and it would not have been left up to the Sporter to provide the night's entertainment which all went sour and led us to this point in time. 

Flame away, but I think that is what was going on and what has been going on for a long time.

[San]

******* ... has an English translation of the Bon Dia Aruba  article where Bob Witt denies reducing the scope of the search been posted on the forum yet?

It appears that Beth and Peter Devries are on the same page as far as the contents of the search warrant which originated from the prosecutor's office.  Both of them are of the opinion that the contents dictated a full search.

However ... in October, 2005 ... Dompig claims that a full search warrant was denied by a judge following Joran's detainment and ... was denied again following Paulus' detainment.

Unless a copy of the search warrant surfaces ... I do believe that Bob Wit is going to win this one.

Janet

You may be right, Janet.  But can Wit explain what he was doing at the Sloot house in the first place?  According to the code of ethics of the Caribbean Court of Justice, he should not be at the Sloot house under any circumstance, especially in the midst of missing person investigation.

He interfered with the investigation.  He obstructed justice, even though he is supposed to represent justice.

Wit is a dirty judge.  The CCJ code of ethics is a joke.

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

I am going way out on a limb here ,but I believe that judges when they come from one rat's nest island to the next, are giving an allotment to spend for food, clothing, shelter, travel and bedding.  My guess would be that some of that money was given to Anita & Paulus for housing their judge guests and providing entertainment, so this judge was just at his home-away-from home.  If Anita had not run off to the Netherlands, she would have been there to get that all-night party together for her guests and it would not have been left up to the Sporter to provide the night's entertainment which all went sour and led us to this point in time.  Flame away, but I think that is what was going on and what has been going on for a long time. 

I always said Paulus' involvement is more than the disposal.  The entertainment was indeed at the Sloot home

[Tylergal]

Not meaning to irritate any anti-Shango/Simian posters anymore, but if the person posing as S/S was indeed law enforcement then he/she knew about this den of sin at the VDS home.  Rudy Croes, if he is Dirty Hand (and I believe he is and have always believed that) knew about this. 

Dirty Hand had walked in the "maze" where young girls were brought for the entertainment but had not partaken of the fruits.  He had his own going on.  Remember the 3 girls who were in that picture that he was holding captive at his home?  I am sure Ben Voeking was also apprised of these shenanigans and knew what was going on, thus, dirty hand.

The girls were brought there for entertainment and P&A gladly took the offerings of food and lodge payment in kind as hostelry services for the forlorn judges.

[Observer]

Reporter: Okay, let me ask you about the search of Joran Van der Sloot house. Apparently this kid lived in an apartment that was connected to or sort of adjacent to his parents house.

Dompig: That is correct

Reporter: And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?

Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.

Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?

Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant.
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That is totally unnaceptable,unbelievable and guarenteed proof of a cover up. Dompig is a proven liar so I take that statement with a grain of salt. It's really pretty simple..Either the Judge changed the warrant or the Prosecuters Office is crooked as hell. I think both. I think someone high up in the Aruban Govt persuaded him to change that search warrant right after it was issued that night and I believe Van Der Straaten's Investigation and the Prosecuters office deliberately covered up Natalee's murder.

[Tylergal]

What do you want to bed "fair blonds" are the "forbidden fruits."

[San]

What do you want to bed "fair blonds" are the "forbidden fruits."

 

[wreck]

******* ... has an English translation of the Bon Dia Aruba  article where Bob Witt denies reducing the scope of the search been posted on the forum yet?

It appears that Beth and Peter Devries are on the same page as far as the contents of the search warrant which originated from the prosecutor's office.  Both of them are of the opinion that the contents dictated a full search.

However ... in October, 2005 ... Dompig claims that a full search warrant was denied by a judge following Joran's detainment and ... was denied again following Paulus' detainment.

Unless a copy of the search warrant surfaces ... I do believe that Bob Wit is going to win this one.

Janet

You may be right, Janet.  But can Wit explain what he was doing at the Sloot house in the first place?  According to the code of ethics of the Caribbean Court of Justice, he should not be at the Sloot house under any circumstance, especially in the midst of missing person investigation.

He interfered with the investigation.  He obstructed justice, even though he is supposed to represent justice.

Wit is a dirty judge.  The CCJ code of ethics is a joke.

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

I am going way out on a limb here ,but I believe that judges when they come from one rat's nest island to the next, are giving an allotment to spend for food, clothing, shelter, travel and bedding.  My guess would be that some of that money was given to Anita & Paulus for housing their judge guests and providing entertainment, so this judge was just at his home-away-from home.  If Anita had not run off to the Netherlands, she would have been there to get that all-night party together for her guests and it would not have been left up to the Sporter to provide the night's entertainment which all went sour and led us to this point in time.  Flame away, but I think that is what was going on and what has been going on for a long time. 

Is there room for two on that limb??

[Kat_Gram]

He criticized the overexposure of the story in the media, specially the sensationalists and tabloids, who when they had no information, would look for their own information; many times sidetracking the real investigators.
What absolute bs.
Yes, there were plenty of rumors and plenty of wild goose chases.
Did the investigators tune on to Fox to see what to do next ?
Did they take phone calls from Julia / Scuba / her Mumma saying look for the BEDB ?
Did they read SM ?
That isn't saying much for the ALE is is ? They read the National Enquirer or some other paper and got their Inspector Smarty Badges out ?

[Observer]

Asked why it took investigators more than two weeks after Holloway's disappearance to search the van der Sloot home, Janssen said Thursday, ``You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy, you have to give certain direction to investigators.''

Yeh right,They searched the two innocent security's guards house who they tried to frame,immediately when they were arrested. I am extremely anxious to get to the bottom of why that house was never searched in 2005. Judge Wit changed the Warrant or Paul's buddies in the OM including the AG that he worked for never requested the full search. As of right now I am to believe Judge Wit is lying and he changed the search. They are cooked and this is positive proof they covered up Natalee's murder and protected the Van Der SLoots.

Yes.....but there is nothing we can do about it. If there was, we all would have done it ages ago. WTF can we do?????

Well if I was a member of Natalee's Family I would speak out and name names.
Right in the middle of everything is Paul Van Der Sloot and what he told people,who he contacted,who he worked with and who he is friends with. They were all involved in Natalee's case and to no ones suprised they botched it big time! Has anyone ever brought up in the Media that Paul Van Der Sloot was telling people he had two contacts with Natalee and picked her and Joran up at 4am? We know both people that PVDS told that Natalee hit her head and may have drowned were questioned. Was that in the case files handed to the Judge? How about the concrete that poured after Natalee dissapeared? Did the Judge know the Murder and Kidnapping suspect just poured concrete in his back yard?  How about the testimony of the teacher that said Joran had a big bruise and scratches the day after Natalee dissapeared? The evidence is enormous and it will be obvious who covered up Natalee's murder if they changed statements,never asked these questions or never even submitted things like this into the case files.

What do they have to lose right now? Especially if they speaking the truth and have the facts? I realize some things are murky but it's obvious that people in Aruba refuse to answer any of these questions and the silence is deaffening. They don't have the answers and they are caught. They covered up Natalee's murder plain and simple. They keep dragging this on forever and ever because they cant answer any questions or release the dossier because they know it would show a obvious cover up and who was responsible.

[sirensong]

"Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?

Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant."

Did Karen forget to tell the judge that Paulus admitted to picking up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  No one will ever be able to make a good enough case for these crooked judges and their pals.

Who got to Hans Mos?  Tell me he is not afraid Joe Taco is going to sue him!!  I think that is what all the networks are afraid of also.  It is all so outrageous, it is infuriating.  

[Anna]

What do you want to bed "fair blonds" are the "forbidden fruits."

 

The Dutch judges would all likely be "fair" blondes themselves.  Not sure why this would be more forbidden than any other minors.  Jossy had a front page article about "elders" and minors.

Nothing ever came of it, at least not as reported in their news.

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[Dayhiker]

 

Hans Mos is an idiot!!!! Bob Wit is a fool!!! Dutch judges suck!!!
 

Hans Mos is an idiot!!!! Bob Wit is a fool!!! Dutch judges suck!!!

[Anna]

If there was enough evidence presented to prevent Paulus from collecting his compensation money for being arrested, why was that not also enough to search his premises?

I would think the amount of evidence required for a search would be far less than to reverse and over-rule a previous award of the court.

*******,

I think Beth at least and also Dave have named names and said all this in the media per posts of Janet.

Everybody Knows it was a cover up.  But I don't see anybody doing anything about it.  I don't think the Dutch care enough to do anything because Aruba is autonomous and they are in the same boat that we are in this country, can't make the Aruban's do anything.  All Aruba wants from the Dutch is free money they refuse to even account for.

As Aruba keeps saying they are a sovereign nation.     Not even Interpol can do anything unless invited by Aruba to do so.

[Dayhiker]

Hi Janet,Not that I have seen and I was hoping Amigoe would run the article. I don't care who the dirty corrupt lying slimebags are I just want answers. I am sick of no questions ever being answered,pointing the fingers elsewhere and no one taking the blame for anything. Nothing is one definite answer but I knowThey are caught red handed in this lie and its HUGE

They're all liars. Now that the case is closed it's every man for himsdelf. Bob Wit is lying his ass off to re-hab himself. Didn't have the balls to do it when the case was open. Might have to defend his actions.

Somebody's lying here for sure, but we shouldn't be surprised. None of them have an honest or moral bone in their body.

[Dayhiker]

Did Karen forget to tell the judge that Paulus admitted to picking up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  No one will ever be able to make a good enough case for these crooked judges and their pals.

Of course she did. That was a wiretap. You don't have to wait around for the telephone company records for those. She knew it and never presented it. If it worked in the appeal it would have worked in the original court case. Janssen is just as crooked as the Sloots, cops, and judges.

The Dutch system is the scum of the earth. I'd rather take my chances with Idi Amin than put my life in their hands.

[Anna]

Yes.....but there is nothing we can do about it. If there was, we all would have done it ages ago. WTF can we do?????

I agree Nut, we would have already done it as would Natalee's parents.  Aruba is a whole complete nation in and of itself that is using the duality of government with the Dutch to pass the buck.

The buck stops in Aruba.  The Dutch can't even get them to account for the last money they got from them let alone clean up their judicial system when the Dutch are none too exemplary in that department themselves.

Natalee's parents and supporters have been screaming cover up for two and a half years.

And it was known long before DeVries reported it that only the shed of Joran's was searched, in fact, was known the day it happened.

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[Kat_Gram]

We were told that the search warant was revised on the spot by the Judge.
Who was present at the Sloots. Some of the reasons were that :
Joran had a private residence away from the main house and Paulus and the brothers were home and there was little to suggest that the main house was entered. And it was DeVries who said that Vocking was there.
Who issues the search warrant in that heck hole ?  The Sloots ? 
Since when does a suspect's family get to say where the ALE can look ?
And why did no one appeal it quickly ? KJ was there, what was she doing ? Getting her hair done for the cameras? Making sure her outfit looked good ?
Didn't Vocking admit to being there for support to the Sloots ?
So, the lowly ALE is there to do their jobs and out come the big guns ( Vocking ). And Mos has the audacity to blame Beth / Dave / Media ? for the investigation going sour ? Does he think we are all as stupid as the Aruban population ? 

[Kermit]

Asked why it took investigators more than two weeks after Holloway's disappearance to search the van der Sloot home, Janssen said Thursday, ``You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy, you have to give certain direction to investigators.''

Yeh right,They searched the two innocent security's guards house who they tried to frame,immediately when they were arrested. I am extremely anxious to get to the bottom of why that house was never searched in 2005. Judge Wit changed the Warrant or Paul's buddies in the OM including the AG that he worked for never requested the full search. As of right now I am to believe Judge Wit is lying and he changed the search. They are cooked and this is positive proof they covered up Natalee's murder and protected the Van Der SLoots.

You are absoultely correct.

Karen Janssen had no problem getting a search warrant for the Security Guards.
But whe it came to her friend, Paulus van der Sloot, she let her emotions get in her way or was it done on purpose. I pick the later.

Everything you've said is the truth.

[Tylergal]

We were told that the search warant was revised on the spot by the Judge.
Who was present at the Sloots. Some of the reasons were that :
Joran had a private residence away from the main house and Paulus and the brothers were home and there was little to suggest that the main house was entered. And it was DeVries who said that Vocking was there.
Who issues the search warrant in that heck hole ?  The Sloots ? 
Since when does a suspect's family get to say where the ALE can look ?
And why did no one appeal it quickly ? KJ was there, what was she doing ? Getting her hair done for the cameras? Making sure her outfit looked good ?
Didn't Vocking admit to being there for support to the Sloots ?
So, the lowly ALE is there to do their jobs and out come the big guns ( Vocking ). And Mos has the audacity to blame Beth / Dave / Media ? for the investigation going sour ? Does he think we are all as stupid as the Aruban population ? 

"We were told that the search warant was revised on the spot by the Judge.
Who was present at the Sloots. Some of the reasons were that :
Joran had a private residence away from the main house and Paulus and the brothers were home and there was little to suggest that the main house was entered. And it was DeVries who said that Vocking was there."

THAT IS EXACTLY AS MY RECALL ALSO.