Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Tylergal]

Helenback....IIRC it was Voking who took leave to be with his friend. Wit was appointed to the Caribbean Court on June 1st 2005, and some of us have questioned his authority to be at the Sloots'. I believe he attempts to explain that here, but I can't for the heck of me understand what he is trying to say! It appears that he was presiding over two courts at the same time, and not very well, I might add!

You are right about what decision he had to make, of course! They think we are a bunch of idiots!

Thanks, Mum!  You are right that Voc(King) was the one on vacation helping the Sloots.  I remember now, the conflict of Wit in terms of exactly which court he was working for when he had to make his decision. 

Which decision was that, again?

It was the search warrant, though he was there also on 6/12. I am not sure what else he ruled on as it seems that Smid did most of the later dirty work, including faxing the reversal of his decision from Curacao. I don't think I ever got a straight answer on that one from Ramm either. Some mumbo jumbo about two separate issues, which I understood, but he couldn't explain why both weren't addressed in the courtroom 3 hours earlier! To my way of thinking if he decided to keep them detained and he'd seen the evidence to do so, why fly back and look at the lawyer's petition and change your mind. As I said earlier, they think we are idiots!

As I said earlier, they think we are idiots! They are judging us all after having seen and met Greta

[Observer]

halion woensdag 15 juni 2005 @ 20:5
In other words:

We love Rohypnol, she got Rohypnol
We take Rohypnol
Just forget it all
We love Rohypnol, she got Rohypnol
We take Rohypnol
Just forget it all
Just forget it all

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/5/50

[Tylergal]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Yes, it is puzzeling. You would think the Aruban citizens would have strung all 3 (or more) of them up already for destroying their island. Instead, they keep thinking they "win" if they somehow keep anyone from being prosecuted.  There has to more to their moronic reasoning!!

These people of Aruba remind me of the old communist brotherhood in Russia.  Having been told so long how to think and what to say.  I am not sure if any of you will recall, but Russians were so dependent on the government as to what to say, what to do, how many children to have, whether or not they should eat, what and when, that even after the fall of communism, two old sisters responding to Peter Jennings, sat shivering while Peter was all wrapped up in LL Bean.  When he asked them how they were doing, they replied they were starving, that they had tons of potatoes but the government had not come by to dig them this year.

Well, it's all the same, the Arubans have been under communist-like rule so long, they don't know when and what to say until the comrades from the Karuba KGB tell them what to say.

[Observer]

Meanwhile, the two suspects, three of their vehicles have been confiscated. One of the suspect`s mother`s cars,a cousin`s car,I believe, and one of the cars belonging to one of the suspects.
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Interesting!

[Tylergal]

Now that it is obvious that the door has been shut and ... justice is not going to come out of Aruba for an American citizen ... maybe Monkeys should be focusing on the windows of opportunity which are are still open ... one being ... THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION.

In November, 2005 ... Senator Shelby was a voice that Aruba had to reckon with.  Why has it been silent for so long?

Why is the American administer allowing the tiny island of Aruba to deny a just investigation to Natalee Holloway ... a just investigation that an American citizen is entitled to under both Dutch and American law.

Aruba should be fearing the wrath of one of the greatest democracies on the face of the earth.  Instead ... she appears to be making an obscene gesture with a middle finger and ... American is doing absolutely nothing. 

Janet

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I agree Janet.  This is why I have been so disappointed in our FBI.  That will be the day when I let a fat piece of shit like Gerald Dompig blame me for what happened in the investigation.  They could have at least put Aruba on the travel advisory list as one unsafe island but no we let them come here to the carribean travel shows and advertise in our own country how safe their island is.  It is not safe and they are targeting American women.  So you know what I say "shame on us for letting it happen."

San ... my youngest son's Dutch American FIL believes that Aruba's close ties with Hugo Chavez is at the root of both the Netherland and the United States' tolerance in regards to the corrupt Aruban administration.

Hugo Chávez is so dangerious to the security of world. He has a goal ... which IS NOT hidden and will ultimately threaten the security of United States of America. He had a plan is to acquire one small nation at a time ... building up strength throughout the Caribbean. Think about it ... Aruba is the stepping stone to American ... Cuba is a stone throw from the mainland.

The United States administration knows this yet ... it continues to appease ... tolerate this dictator. This approach only makes what was once the most feared/respected nation on the face of the earth appear weak and ... gives this dictator who is drunk with power more confidence to further his global agenda.

It is a truly sad day when this dictator is allowed to speak before the UN referring to the President of the United States as the "devil" and ... have no fear of retaliation.

If the United States goes down ... so does every appeasing/tolerant democratic nation in the world ... Canada included.

The free world has to wake up ... Islam and left-wing dictators are gaining strength through our weakness.

“The reality is that we must find peace through strength.”
Ronald Reagan, 1983

Janet

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Chavez: Bush 'devil'; U.S. 'on the way down'
POSTED: 1726 GMT (0126 HKT), September 21, 2006

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html

Whew, thank you, Janet.  It's about stability in the region ,the War on Terror.  There is no other reason that Richard Shelby or the Bush DOJ would stand by and do nothing but for this reason and we must remember the privileged information that Bacchus had access to that he never mentioned until after the fact that could have brought down a former president during some very crucial times and although he was no friend of that president, he was doing what was in the best interests of the USA.  When people take that oath, it means something to most of them.   

[Lala'sMom]

IF it was Freddy that would make him what? 

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy...the 4th suspect.  UNLESS...you count it this way....


Joran , Deepak, Satish, Guido, Freddy....5th suspect.  Now, all we need to determine was he the person that met Natalee earlier in the week in the casino or wherever?  Still waiting for that one piece of info to surface.   

[Tamikosmom]

TIMELINE

JUNE 11, 2005 - Deepak declares that Freddy knows the truth.

JUNE 12, 2005 - Freddy is questioned as a witness.

JUNE 12, 2005 - Freddy is questioned by Paulus and Anita.

JUNE 13, 2005 - Paulus is questioned as a witness.

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth


Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Description: witness statement
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translation Credit: Rammstein


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 13, 2005

I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife.

[Lala'sMom]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Yes, it is puzzeling. You would think the Aruban citizens would have strung all 3 (or more) of them up already for destroying their island. Instead, they keep thinking they "win" if they somehow keep anyone from being prosecuted.  There has to more to their moronic reasoning!!

These people of Aruba remind me of the old communist brotherhood in Russia.  Having been told so long how to think and what to say.  I am not sure if any of you will recall, but Russians were so dependent on the government as to what to say, what to do, how many children to have, whether or not they should eat, what and when, that even after the fall of communism, two old sisters responding to Peter Jennings, sat shivering while Peter was all wrapped up in LL Bean.  When he asked them how they were doing, they replied they were starving, that they had tons of potatoes but the government had not come by to dig them this year.

Well, it's all the same, the Arubans have been under communist-like rule so long, they don't know when and what to say until the comrades from the Karuba KGB tell them what to say.

I agree.

[Observer]

IF it was Freddy that would make him what? 

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy...the 4th suspect.  UNLESS...you count it this way....


Joran , Deepak, Satish, Guido, Freddy....5th suspect.  Now, all we need to determine was he the person that met Natalee earlier in the week in the casino or wherever?  Still waiting for that one piece of info to surface.   

Speaking of the 5th suspect,I just want to post this one more time. Hard to follow why this Dutch Poster said this.

On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

Tokse maandag 20 juni 2005 @ 00:28
I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

[Tamikosmom]

IF it was Freddy that would make him what? 

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy...the 4th suspect.  UNLESS...you count it this way....


Joran , Deepak, Satish, Guido, Freddy....5th suspect.  Now, all we need to determine was he the person that met Natalee earlier in the week in the casino or wherever?  Still waiting for that one piece of info to surface.   

Freddy has never been a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.  He was questioned as a witness on June 12, 2005 and released.  He was not detained with any suspicions until the end of August and ... at that time it was on suspicions unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.

In Paulus' June 13, 2005 witness statment ... Anita and him had already had Freddy over to their home to question him regarding what he may have declared in his witness statement on June 12, 2005.

See above timeline.

Janet

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Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 29, 2005

JANSSEN: .... And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

[klaasend]

IF it was Freddy that would make him what? 

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy...the 4th suspect.  UNLESS...you count it this way....


Joran , Deepak, Satish, Guido, Freddy....5th suspect.  Now, all we need to determine was he the person that met Natalee earlier in the week in the casino or wherever?  Still waiting for that one piece of info to surface.   

Speaking of the 5th suspect,I just want to post this one more time. Hard to follow why this Dutch Poster said this.

On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

Tokse maandag 20 juni 2005 @ 00:28
I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

I read through the posts at that site and they were saying that LORENZO was the 5th arrest. 

[Lala'sMom]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

[Puzzler]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

Lalas

Do you think that the "path paved with gold" (or words to that effect) could have anything with the gold mine there?

[Lala'sMom]

If anyone reading here knows Simian...please have him email me at cindoal@yahoo.com
I will not divulge any info that you don't want me to know...just tell me who is the 5th suspect?  Surely, there is someone that reads from Aruba...have Simian email me. Please!

[Observer]

IF it was Freddy that would make him what? 

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy...the 4th suspect.  UNLESS...you count it this way....


Joran , Deepak, Satish, Guido, Freddy....5th suspect.  Now, all we need to determine was he the person that met Natalee earlier in the week in the casino or wherever?  Still waiting for that one piece of info to surface.   

Speaking of the 5th suspect,I just want to post this one more time. Hard to follow why this Dutch Poster said this.

On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

Tokse maandag 20 juni 2005 @ 00:28
I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

I read through the posts at that site and they were saying that LORENZO was the 5th arrest. 

Yes I saw and that would make sense if they were talking about two dutch brothers. This was the 19th so I think it was before Aruba girl started that rumor about Lorenzo. I'M assuming they are referring to a Colombian because of what happened to Rene Van Heyningen,and if you read what happened at his trial they had a witness that identified two other men and one of them was Colombian. The other person the word wouldnt translate who he was.

Sure would like to know where they got this Information. If this particular person was reading at RWV and SM or had there own info?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

I think it's Dutch.

[Lala'sMom]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

Lalas

Do you think that the "path paved with gold" (or words to that effect) could have anything with the gold mine there?

Oh goodness, it's been thought to be many things...The gold mine is one of them.  Some have thought it a color, others have thought money or something like that.  Shango is speaking of the house of rave. That does not mean that he is talking about Natalee specifically.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

[klaasend]

Just received this correspondence from BONSAI MONKEY:

Bonsai responds....

Prayers to Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch, Underwater Expeditions and the R/V Persistence crew.   Thank you for giving up your time during this Holiday season.  You are truly God's answer to our prayers, and we know you are doing your utmost to bring Natalee home.

 

private eye says....

Does anyone else think Rudy Croes face resembles the ass of a goat?

 

Bonsai responds....

The goat would win the beauty contest...

[Lala'sMom]

Just received this correspondence from BONSAI MONKEY:

Bonsai responds....

Prayers to Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch, Underwater Expeditions and the R/V Persistence crew.   Thank you for giving up your time during this Holiday season.  You are truly God's answer to our prayers, and we know you are doing your utmost to bring Natalee home.

 

private eye says....

Does anyone else think Rudy Croes face resembles the ass of a goat?

 

Bonsai responds....

The goat would win the beauty contest...

That is one ugly....um...er...goat. 

[Tamikosmom]

FREDDY ARAMBATZIS

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting


Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend


Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement


+ Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
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Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41