Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Lala'sMom]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.
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No idea who else this could be from everyone we know in this case. The only BF I can possibly think of earlier in the week would be GVC. Rubbing against her while dancing at C&C or possibly being the one in a uniform that was seen talking to her. The person was described as being a local man in his 20's,too old to be GVC.

I don't see Joran being scared shi*less of any of the pimps or witnesses we have talked about in this case. Unless it's Andre Meneses or someone else who's name is not in the case files and is some type of Colombian Drug lord or dangerous person that somehow is the 5th suspect.

Simian clearly tells you that the 5th suspect met Natalee in the casino.  Remember Checkme was another poster from Aruba. Simian knew Checkme.

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

[klaasend]

The email addresses are private information, just like the IP.  I can't give them out.

[Lala'sMom]

If you have SHango's email or you are Shango..Please contact Lala's Mom!!! 

Yes, email me at cindoal@yahoo.com.  Heck, I would give you my phone number if you would just call me.  Shango?  Are you listening?

[Helen Back]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.
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No idea who else this could be from everyone we know in this case. The only BF I can possibly think of earlier in the week would be GVC. Rubbing against her while dancing at C&C or possibly being the one in a uniform that was seen talking to her. The person was described as being a local man in his 20's,too old to be GVC.

I don't see Joran being scared shi*less of any of the pimps or witnesses we have talked about in this case. Unless it's Andre Meneses or someone else who's name is not in the case files and is some type of Colombian Drug lord or dangerous person that somehow is the 5th suspect.

What about Lorenzo? He fits the description. But what is his motive? 
I have never seen what his motive could have been.  Simian says jealousy, but who could be that jealous after one encounter?  Of course they are all nuts.

Lorenzo fits the description.  Maybe the jealousy refers to something unrelated to Natalee, like long-running feud, past disputes over some other girl. 

Maybe Joran is scared shi*less of Lorenzo, or some of his pals, or someone who was at the place he took Natalee to, or someone who would be jeopardized if he told the truth.

[Lala'sMom]

Is there any evidence that Lorenzo ever met Natalee before Joran?  That is the question.  Same with Freddy. Almost there, but not quite.  If Simian would just get in touch with me...I promise I will not reveal your identity to anyone...ever. 

[mrs. red]

it's an off topic question... kind of...

but did the parents of the girl that went missing and then was found in the wrong room... has there been anything else on that story?

[robots]

personally, i think someone was jealous of paulus

could paulus have a boyfriend?

[klaasend]

it's an off topic question... kind of...

but did the parents of the girl that went missing and then was found in the wrong room... has there been anything else on that story?

Nope, nothing I've seen.  Just really seems odd the parents would miss seeing her in their own bedroom.

[NYC_lover]

Keep in mind that this is Simian talking and not Shango...

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Is that Dutch or Pap that he speaks there?  Anyone know?

''3. Één getuige is géén getuige'' This is Dutch.
This sense can be, there is not a witness or a witness don't want to talk.
IMO, this person knows where he is talking about and knows the Dutch law.

[klaasend]

PACKED! 

[robots]

California tumbles into the sea
That'll be the day I ever go
to aruba 

[NYC_lover]

Just posted on the front page of SM:

natalee wrote:

Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?

Klaasend - Is this IP again come from around Amsterdam?

[mrs. red]

personally, i think someone was jealous of paulus

could paulus have a boyfriend?

or even more sinister had anita gotten wind and tired of his trysts?  what if she is dirty hand?  what if she is the orchestrator behind all of the coverup etc and now she has the means to make him walk the line?

[Magnolia]

Is there any evidence that Lorenzo ever met Natalee before Joran?  That is the question.  Same with Freddy. Almost there, but not quite.  If Simian would just get in touch with me...I promise I will not reveal your identity to anyone...ever. 

Well, they had some reason to question Lorenzo very early in
the investigation.  We will likely never know what drew suspicion
to him.

[robots]

ARUBA IS CLOSED

thanks to the sloots

[robots]

personally, i think someone was jealous of paulus

could paulus have a boyfriend?

or even more sinister had anita gotten wind and tired of his trysts?  what if she is dirty hand?  what if she is the orchestrator behind all of the coverup etc and now she has the means to make him walk the line?

hmmmmmmmmmm.... you are slipping into robots world 

[mrs. red]

it's an off topic question... kind of...

but did the parents of the girl that went missing and then was found in the wrong room... has there been anything else on that story?

Nope, nothing I've seen.  Just really seems odd the parents would miss seeing her in their own bedroom.

I have been thinking about that and wonderd if they did the right thing and immediatley left skanky hell hole island?  If the daughter was given the CnC's "special"... have the nasty locals grown more bold since jk2 got away with murder (so far, that is)

[mrs. red]

Is there any evidence that Lorenzo ever met Natalee before Joran?  That is the question.  Same with Freddy. Almost there, but not quite.  If Simian would just get in touch with me...I promise I will not reveal your identity to anyone...ever. 

Well, they had some reason to question Lorenzo very early in
the investigation.  We will likely never know what drew suspicion
to him.

well the one thing that makes me suspicious is how fast the aruban posters tired to cover his butt... they were immediately on the defensive about him.  was that to throw us of trail? who knows?

[Tamikosmom]

Although my theory implies that a deceased Natalee was moved from the beach to Lorenzo Van Rign's basement by Paulus and "help" on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... Dennis Jacobs claims to Dave Holloway that Lorenzo is not suspected of having a connection to the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement

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Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 183: I asked Jacobs to print me out another copy of my statement, and Art Wood came walking in.  He noticed a computer printout on the wall about Natalee’s case.  It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it.  He noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it.  We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance.  He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy.  Art was trying to figure out how the flowchart worked, and he noticed that some of the names were significantly larger than others.  He asked Jacobs what that symbolized, and Jacobs responded that it was just the way the computer printed it out.  Art asked him where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs  said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart.   We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction.  There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence.  Apparently, you cannot get into that place.  It looks like a prison camp.  Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

[robots]

it's an off topic question... kind of...

but did the parents of the girl that went missing and then was found in the wrong room... has there been anything else on that story?

have not heard nor seen anything about it

it was the old bait and switch... 

distract someone from one place to get something else going on in the other direction

this whole case has been a giant MISDIRECTION 


i had to do that once, i was 10 and had 2 girl friends..  but they were not girl friends
just friends that were girls.........

"ummmm..mary jo... come outside and play in the back yard with me"

"uhhhhhh.... sarah come on in and lets watch gilligans island"