Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Observer]

Satish Kalpoe pleased with the support people

July 7, 2005, 18:12 (GMT -04:00)(Amigoe)



ORANJESTAD - Lawyers in the Monday released Satish Kalpoe have announced that the 19-year-old boy is pleased with the support he received from the demonstrators at the protest last Tuesday. Demonstrators carried signs with phrases such as when Innocent until proven guilty.



The demonstration was a reaction to the words of Beth Twitty, mother of Natalee Holloway, who accused the Aruban authorities' criminals at liberty to make. " Satish Kalpoe tells itself to feel offended by the comments of the American and legal steps to consider when they are repeated. Kalpoe shows understanding for the frustrations of the mother of Holloway, but does not believe that this is the comments made by Twitty. He accuses the mother of Holloway to establish itself as "judge, jury and executioner." Lawyers in Kalpoe, David Kock and Elgin Zeppenfeldt, suggest delicately on the difference between a criminal and a suspect: "A criminal is someone who is tried and found guilty, while one suspect a person is being investigated by the competent authorities. Kalpoe is the latter. "When the accusations to his address not stop Kalpoe considering legal action. Kalpoe maintains his innocence. The study has shown that the advocatenteam the youngest of the brothers Kalpoe not Natalee Holloway was last seen.

Kalpoe is used by the public prosecutor's office were seen as suspicious, as well as his brother Deepak. Kalpoe indicates to cooperate fully with the investigation and certainly no plans to leave Aruba. Also let him know pending the investigation with the press want to talk also about the investigation not to frustrate.



SURE TO APPEAL
The Public Attorney's Office (OM) yesterday published in appeal against the judge's decision to commissioner Deepak and Satish Kalpoe at liberty to. Also, the PPS appealed against the decision to the restrictions that Joran van der Sloot were imposed, to be lifted. The lawyers of Van der Sloot go in appeal. They appeal against the decision of the court commissioner for the 17-year-old suspect for a period of 60 days in detention to be taken. Expected to be three members of the Joint Court of Justice early next week on Curacao for the treatment of these matters.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/723833/3/50
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This is one sick SOB who started selling this t-shirt 5 weeks after Natalee dissapeared

[yuknomenot]

In the Natalee Holloway case ... other than the security guards ... there were only seven formal suspects ... seven formal suspects who were held in pre-trial detainment. All the rest were considered witnesses who were brought in for questioning and immediately released ... Freddy and Lorenzo included.

1. Joran
2.  Deepak
3.  Satish
4.  Steve Croes
5.  Paulus
6.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
7.  Guido Wever

Janet

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Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.
 

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

Janet,
I was just about to post the same Fox news blurb.  # 5: Natalee met Paulus in the casino.

Hi everyone  , I don't post much but I read everything.

Something's been bothering me for quite a while now, it involves the picture of Natalee at the poker table looking towards Paulus (no question, it's him) and pointing in the direction of Joran.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but there seems to be a familiarity between Nat & the head slug.  The talk here, earlier in the thread, about the boyfriend from earlier in the week got me to thinking... could that have been the big P?  What I see in Nat's pointing is her asking "he's your son?".  That's not a reaction you would expect when 2 unknown people sit down at a table.  Presumably, 2 new people would introduce themselves to the table and their relationship, whatever it is, would be obvious.  Her reaction is more in line with what I'd expect when talking with someone previously met. 

This all makes much more sense in my head than it does in type 

[NYC_lover]

Hi everyone  , I don't post much but I read everything.

Something's been bothering me for quite a while now, it involves the picture of Natalee at the poker table looking towards Paulus (no question, it's him) and pointing in the direction of Joran.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but there seems to be a familiarity between Nat & the head slug.  The talk here, earlier in the thread, about the boyfriend from earlier in the week got me to thinking... could that have been the big P?  What I see in Nat's pointing is her asking "he's your son?".  That's not a reaction you would expect when 2 unknown people sit down at a table.  Presumably, 2 new people would introduce themselves to the table and their relationship, whatever it is, would be obvious.  Her reaction is more in line with what I'd expect when talking with someone previously met. 

This all makes much more sense in my head than it does in type 

Hi yuknomenot - good to see your post. How do u know this, why Natalee ask, he's your son? Are u sure Natalee ask this or are u think?

[Observer]

   
On Friday, July 29, 2005 09:05 wrote halion the following:
     Latest developments in Aruba (Thursday, 28 July) Diario (Aruban newspaper) is reporting that they learned through various reliable sources that the Natalee Holloway case is (almost) solved. Diario reported today that around midnight the police closed of the pond that was being drained in the vicinity of Aruba Racquet Club. Immediately after that the local police and FBI went to the site with special equipment to conduct a thorough investigation. It is believed that the remains of Natalee Holloway have been found in the pond. Diario has approached the local authorities to get a statement from them regarding the finding of the body. The police officers got nervous and would not go into details. You can view the article by Diario here (It is written in Papiamentu) The title "NOTICIA DI ULTIMO ORA ... CASO SOLUCIONA? Natalee dera den Saliña?" Means: Breaking News… .. Case Solved ?..... Natalee buried in pounds?

This is now 4 of the 5th time that the case is nearly resolved? I am the tel lost ......

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/723833/6/50

[yuknomenot]

Hi everyone  , I don't post much but I read everything.

Something's been bothering me for quite a while now, it involves the picture of Natalee at the poker table looking towards Paulus (no question, it's him) and pointing in the direction of Joran.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but there seems to be a familiarity between Nat & the head slug.  The talk here, earlier in the thread, about the boyfriend from earlier in the week got me to thinking... could that have been the big P?  What I see in Nat's pointing is her asking "he's your son?".  That's not a reaction you would expect when 2 unknown people sit down at a table.  Presumably, 2 new people would introduce themselves to the table and their relationship, whatever it is, would be obvious.  Her reaction is more in line with what I'd expect when talking with someone previously met. 

This all makes much more sense in my head than it does in type 

Hi yuknomenot - good to see your post. How do u know this, why Natalee ask, he's your son? Are u sure Natalee ask this or are u think?

Hi NYC, this is only what I think.  I have no connection to this case.  Like you, and everyone else here, I want to see justice for Natalee and her family.

[Observer]

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[Observer]

Rudy got caught pimpin these Dominican Women 
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Justice Minister Rudy Croes has more important things to do ...

     Quote:
     News: Sevinger and Oduber (AVP): 'Women's Rights vertrapt'
     Posted by: Xaviera on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 03:23 AM Aruban News
     ORANJESTAD - "Instead of an investigation into three Dominican women under false pretenses to our island are met, the minister would have to set up an investigation into those who have imported and the women would have abused. The internationally recognized rights of women are vertrapt, and thus is the name of Aruba met again through the mud, "says Otmar Oduber (AVP).


     The AVP announced Monday with the declaration for efforts on the issue of a work and residence permit for Dominican women, who have been achieved to Aruba 'to a partijhuis for Rudy Croes in San Nicolas to paint and to build campagnehuis do. " The Green Party takes no pleasure with the statement by the Minister for last Thursday, where he rejected any personal responsibility and those in the lap of schoof Marco Marlin, Ruben Werleman and Joe Koolman. This trio was recently in the Dominican Republic in connection with the inauguration of a Plaza Libertador Betico Croes there.

     Croes said that it was a 'vakantievergunning'. According Otmar Oduber and Benny Sevinger exists no such authorisation, and the issuance of visas for a stay for the Ambassador of the Kingdom. "Croes is already outside his booklet, but there's more: it issued states that the person mentioned in the document without a visa can travel to Aruba. On the 'vakantievergunning' is that it is a "work and / or residence, but neither employer completion date are listed," says Sevinger. The minister stated that the Club Dominicano Arubano applications for the girls to get to Aruba has made, "but" says Sevinger, "according to our information, club disagree on statutes. Aruba, the Dominican community is angry about this affair and considers itself is not represented by this club. "

     Friday has an AVP delegation visited the consul of the Dominican Republic to express its concerns about the import of the ladies by the MEP, now approved by the Minister of Justice of the same party be indicted because of libel. " According to party leader Mike Eman is customary that the content of this kind of calls to be made outside Not reported. "Our concern would be transferred to higher frameworks," was the only thing he could say about this.


     Source: Amigoe

This kind of frenzied actions of people from the government, the daily course of business in politics Aruba. Totally since my old neighbor Henny Eman is gone, and Nelson Oduber could form a government with an absolute majority in parliament.

And we complain about but Donner.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/733883/1/50

[NYC_lover]

Hi NYC, this is only what I think.  I have no connection to this case.  Like you, and everyone else here, I want to see justice for Natalee and her family.

Ok, thanks. I just was curious.

[MumInOhio]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.
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No idea who else this could be from everyone we know in this case. The only BF I can possibly think of earlier in the week would be GVC. Rubbing against her while dancing at C&C or possibly being the one in a uniform that was seen talking to her. The person was described as being a local man in his 20's,too old to be GVC.

I don't see Joran being scared shi*less of any of the pimps or witnesses we have talked about in this case. Unless it's Andre Meneses or someone else who's name is not in the case files and is some type of Colombian Drug lord or dangerous person that somehow is the 5th suspect.

What about Lorenzo? He fits the description. But what is his motive? 
I have never seen what his motive could have been.  Simian says jealousy, but who could be that jealous after one encounter?  Of course they are all nuts.

Lorenzo fits the description.  Maybe the jealousy refers to something unrelated to Natalee, like long-running feud, past disputes over some other girl.  Maybe Joran is scared shi*less of Lorenzo, or some of his pals, or someone who was at the place he took Natalee to, or someone who would be jeopardized if he told the truth.

I have looked at this aspect.....Freddy fits the bill here, as he and Joran had two girlfriends in common. Another of Joran friends also fits.

[Nut44x4]

NYC - no that wasn't from the NL, someone from the USA.  I think it's probably from a regular poster either here or at BFN that was just trying to make a point.

Ok, thank you Klaasend. I think there is a group of posters that want people make crazy here. Gerard, this poster and an early poster that has post stupid and idiots things at the front page.

IMO it seems like the writing style of our poster that wrote a pleading post to Anita to come clean...I forget who posted that.

[MumInOhio]

Thinking outside the box and because we have been lied to by Aruba. As well many early Aruban posters referred to 'dutch brothers'

From Joran’s book
-   talks about Natalee hooking up with a dutch marine with blue eyes but it says that he shipped out prior to her going missing making him no suspect ...why did Joran put this in his book and just what does he know about this 'dutch marine'

the man from the bus and another unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee give bodyshots. Natalee has spoken to neither of them. Ruth and Natalee talk to an Amsterdam man called "G". He says that he is on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment….two possibilities here…GVC using the tourist/pimp line or Koen G, whom it has been posted to have had his own apartment. Koen was said to be in Florida visiting friends. Ha! Here's why I vote for Koen

From June 8th 2005 Nancy Grace....they do not appear to be talking about the Kalpoes.   IMO  Maybe Koen and Sander


GRACE: OK, let me quickly go to defense attorney Daniel Horowitz standing by. Daniel Horowitz, this is basically bass-ackwards from the way that it works in America. Because you don`t arrest somebody and put them in a cell of an administration building by the jail unless you`ve got a case against them. You don`t get arrested while the state, while the prosecutor, tries to put together a case.
 
DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Exactly, Nancy. And there`s a problem with this, also. It focuses on these two men so much, and it doesn`t give them the freedom to be out and prove their innocence or gather evidence on their own behalf. You know, Nancy, these guys could be patsies. I`m concerned about those three rich kids who were with this young lady and supposedly dropped her off at a hotel and then she just vanishes. I don`t like the idea of the focus on these two guys alone.

GRACE: Let me go back to Karl Penhaul on that very issue. Karl Penhaul, CNN correspondent, is with us in Aruba. Karl, there are murmurings to that exact issue, that these two security guards are being targeted while the actual guys that were with her, that took her away from the restaurant, have been set free. Explain. Why are these two being held? Did they run into the girl after the other three let her go? I mean, why are they being held and the other three have been let go? Is it true they are from rich or influential families, while these two are not?

PENHAUL: That`s the question on a lot of people`s lips right now, Nancy. We`ve been talking around. We`ve also been talking to the suspects` families. A number of answers to that. The three young men last seen in the company of Natalee Holloway outside Carlos and Charlie`s, we understand, were never arrested, were never detained by police. Yes, they were interviewed. But the police in a press conference earlier this week have said that no evidence in terms of the car that they all drove away in was confiscated at any stage. Meanwhile, the two suspects, three of their vehicles have been confiscated. One of the suspect`s mother`s cars, a cousin`s car, I believe, and one of the cars belonging to one of the suspects. Those are being looked at, even though there`s nothing, apparently, according to the defense attorneys, in any witness statement to suggest that Natalee Holloway was ever seen in the company of these two suspects, let alone got in their cars. As far as the identities of the three people, the young men that are being named or were named as persons of interest, indeed, they do seem to be from influential families, certainly middle-class families, a little difficult in this context to spell out exactly whom they are.


But what the mother of Mickey John -- Antonius John, but Mickey his mother calls him -- what she says is that here what is at stake, or one part of the problem is, is that there`s a race issue here, because the people, the three young men are of influential, middle-class, largely white families, descendents of the Dutch colonizers that once came here, whereas the two suspects are from black immigrant families who maybe have been here for many years but nevertheless are still regarded as immigrants.

[Nut44x4]

I am pretty sure that GVC's nickname is Gee...or just G.

[MumInOhio]

I am pretty sure that GVC's nickname is Gee...or just G.

Good morning Nut....Well thank You.  ******* posted the other night about the VCB shirt being found....IIRC it was on 6/10. We were discussing why they would arrest GVC on 4/15/2006.

[Peaches]

Could someone help me understand...the VDS and the Kalpoes are now of absolutely no use to this crowd anymore. The muck they have created just keeps getting deeper and deeper. So why hasn't the drug/crime heirarchy bumped them all off unexpectedly? Or made them disappear? I don't think they are more powerful than the heirarchy are they?

Yes, it is puzzeling. You would think the Aruban citizens would have strung all 3 (or more) of them up already for destroying their island. Instead, they keep thinking they "win" if they somehow keep anyone from being prosecuted.  There has to more to their moronic reasoning!!

These people of Aruba remind me of the old communist brotherhood in Russia.  Having been told so long how to think and what to say.  I am not sure if any of you will recall, but Russians were so dependent on the government as to what to say, what to do, how many children to have, whether or not they should eat, what and when, that even after the fall of communism, two old sisters responding to Peter Jennings, sat shivering while Peter was all wrapped up in LL Bean.  When he asked them how they were doing, they replied they were starving, that they had tons of potatoes but the government had not come by to dig them this year.

Well, it's all the same, the Arubans have been under communist-like rule so long, they don't know when and what to say until the comrades from the Karuba KGB tell them what to say.

I agree.

Thank you Tyler for a comparison I can understand.  I agree completely.  Those poor folks just don't know any better.  Bless their hearts. 

[Anna]

In my opinion:

Half the time, you have the wrong Lorenzo.  Lorenzo van Rijn is not the one with the escort services at all.  He is a RECLUSE.  This means he does not go to night clubs or casinos much at all if ever.  He does not have RAVE parties and his nickname is not XTC.  My source for this is two people on the island.

He grows weed and from the looks of it, I would suspect that it is that Nederweed.  Some of the Dutch have turned their exquisite and exceptional botanical skills to the development of this product which is reported to be ten times stronger than regular pot.

The "party" the night Natalee disappeared had six people in attendance if you want to call that a Rave.  Did you ever think people might be protective of him because he suffers from problems and his father committed suicide making him four time more likely to do so himself by statistics? 

He is no more Joran's half brother than I am and Jossy has always qualified any statements about him, which are ALWAYS in answer to a question and never just on his own, with it is a rumor or "it is said."  That is a pure Julia rumor if I ever heard one, straight out of soap opera lore.  He was born in Aruba before Paulus moved there for one thing. 

He was questioned because of his previous drug arrests back when he did deal in XTC to see if they asked him to buy drugs or if he had sold them any X or GHB.  If he were really Joran's half brother or anything could be pinned on him, I believe Joran would have mentioned him in his book and certainly Anita and her minions from hell would have been doing so long ago.

In my opinion only but most of that I have verified with TWO sources from the island.  Where are his photos in the bars, etc.?  There aren't any because he is so reclusive.  Of course you can continue to stalk him if you like but it's a waste of time and this has been told several times to different people from islanders and yet it is just ignored.  Odd, that.

Flame away. . . . I just don't think it's right to try to force people to be involved who aren't.

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[Anna]

Even Mos says there is no body involved but the main suspects.  If someone else helped with disposal, I don't think Kalpoes would be subject to that charge, someone else would be and Mos would not be saying that was the minor charge with which they could be charged.

I can't see them driving a boat, however.  I wonder if either of them has taken scuba lessons?  Maybe everybody who lives or is born on islands can drive boats the way just about everybody here drives a car.

I also think Paulus told Karin Janssen to arrest all of Joran's friends and name them suspects so if Joran had blabbed his big mouth to any of them, they could lie for him and say he didn't without fear of being considered a witness.

Note this was not extended to even Freddie who makes incriminating statements about Joran for some reason.  He nailed Joran on two major points and he is the one Anita questioned about what he said and then Paulus was blamed for this when she is the one who quizzed Freddie on what he had told the cops, apparently a no no.

Janssem even says this was wrong for Paulus to do.  I wonder why it was not wrong for Anita to do it.

[Anna]

Just posted on the front page of SM:

natalee wrote:

Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?

Ooooh. That's really eerie...............

WoW!

That's quite a post!  I hope the Emissaries of Satan read it and it really creeps them out, if that can be done.  Hard to say when dealing with someone who has no conscious or sense of right and wrong.  Joran is a perfect example of what happens when someone is not taught from childhood that there are absolutes and some things just plain evil.  The I'm OK, You're OK philosophy that teaches that discrimination is always wrong causes people to fail to develop a sense of discernment making them unable to say something is absolutely evil and wrong.

There are people who are basically evil no matter what the current philosophy of liberalism teaches.  It takes people back to tribalism which is what I think we see here.  Aruba is behaving like a tribe that sticks together no matter what, right or wrong.

Real eyeopening post first thing in the morning.  I do hope it gets to the right people.

IMO

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[Anna]

If you are going to boycott the Dutch, good luck and don't get sick.  Everything from your Sonicare toothbrush to your medical records to the respirator that keeps you alive come from them along with the majority of large medical equipment as well as the tires on your car.  Event things manufactured in this country are owned by them as we provide cheap labor for whom they do not have the medical care required in The Netherlands, saving them a bundle.

The Phillips company and its subsidiaries may be the largest electronics company in the world.  There is no escaping them for they are everywhere even in DVD players, computer parts and just about anything electronic will have at least one component from a Dutch company. 

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[Anna]

Didn't mean to halt your discussion but it always does if I discuss my findings on certain people so will leave you with coffee and a huge breakfast and get to work myself.


Leaving you in peace to continue your discussion.  . . . . .working & lurking.

Anna

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom…Thank you for your post yesterday about the politics in the region. I had asked a question last week in regards to why Aruba was acting so arrogant and why there had been no response or action from any officials here.

Anna and Tamikosmom….LOL Anna, just saw your post, so have included you in my post to Tamikosmom.  Sorry it’s so long, but need to make my point.

Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree on Freddy and how many ‘official’ suspects there were in this case. Keep in mind also that Beth stated early on that she expected 8 or 9 more arrests. By the morning of June 11th 2005 the cover-up was in full force. (Actually, I’ll go way out on a limb and say the cover-up was well under way when Dennis Jacobs conducted his first interviews on the morning of May 31st.)  Many Aruban posters posted about an arrest on June 11th and another at 3.30 to 4PM on June 16th. If ALE kept the information about Freddy, that Jossy references below, from the media, why would we believe ALE when they say it was not related to Natalee’s case!

Found this at the judicial inc site under accomplices and had posted in the Shango/Simian thread. Also reposted the other evening.

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.


I posted this yesterday morning - the link is no longer available.

www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.

And more…..

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

And then I posted:
OK....I just read that the arrest I posted above was NOT related to Natalee!

Next I posted:
Same arrest....now it didn't happen!

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005ORANJESTAD, Aruba:

Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.



Sorry to post and run :lol:will be lurking and working! Thanks for breakfast, Anna, sorry I missed you!