Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Helen Back]

This New Jersey gal has connections to Aruba and scuba diving.

http://justagirlintheworld.com/aruba/

I took a look around on there.  Lead to a comment regarding Jossy on Fox in August of 2005, and a video of his interview, stating that Joran has a history on the island of drugging girls.

I know that video is probably here at SM, but I don't know where.  I just thought it might be good to see it again.  I'm always up for a discussion about Joran being a serial rapist. 

Does anyone know where I can find the interview with Jossy?  TIA

[klaasend]

I was doing my readings today and I came across this from :
2 Corinthians 3:1-6
.....
You are an epistle of Christ,... written not with ink, but by the Spirit of the Living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of flesh, that is of the heart.
I tried to post on Kyle's Blog, but I cannot get my Google password to work ???

You can post on Kyle's site I think anonymously without signing into Google or Blogger.  try that.

[Observer]

This New Jersey gal has connections to Aruba and scuba diving.

http://justagirlintheworld.com/aruba/

I took a look around on there.  Lead to a comment regarding Jossy on Fox in August of 2005, and a video of his interview, stating that Joran has a history on the island of drugging girls.

I know that video is probably here at SM, but I don't know where.  I just thought it might be good to see it again.  I'm always up for a discussion about Joran being a serial rapist. 

Does anyone know where I can find the interview with Jossy?  TIA

Hi,

I posted that recently in the last few weeks if you search under my posts. Also some other good stuff from RWV when Dan Riehl spoke to a "Proffessional"who knows Joran who said the same things.

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom…Thank you for your post yesterday about the politics in the region. I had asked a question last week in regards to why Aruba was acting so arrogant and why there had been no response or action from any officials here.

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www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html
Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.


By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.


by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005ORANJESTAD, Aruba

Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.

You are welcome Mum.

Thank you for all this research.

I do believe that the article is referring to Steve Croes.  As the security guards were still detained on June 10, 2005 ... I believe that Steve Croes was the sixth suspect to be arrested and held in pre-trial detention.

Janet

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1.  Mickey John
2.  Abraham Jones
3.  Deepak Kalpoe
4.  Satish Kalpoe
5.  Joran van der Sloot
6.  Steve Croes
7.  Paulus van der Sloot
8.  Guildo Weaver
9.  Geofrey Van Cromvoirt

[Observer]

Here ya go Helen..

Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE

Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..

Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005

Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/two_observation.html

[Nut44x4]

We don't have to agree about Lorenzo.  Personally, I can't give Lorenzo a free pass.  His name, house, parties etc were brought up too early in the case for me to ignore him.  He was questioned in the very beginning.  Just because I happen to question Lorenzo doesn't mean everyone has to agree with me.

I agree.

Oh...and Lala's, you are NOT dumb! I think you're pretty sharp!

[Kat_Gram]

I was doing my readings today and I came across this from :
2 Corinthians 3:1-6
.....
You are an epistle of Christ,... written not with ink, but by the Spirit of the Living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of flesh, that is of the heart.
I tried to post on Kyle's Blog, but I cannot get my Google password to work ???

You can post on Kyle's site I think anonymously without signing into Google or Blogger.  try that.
I tried all that. Some days !  My DVD player fried ( it was a good and expensive one, got one being delivered soon a cheap and disposable one ) and I was just trying to get the thing to open WITH A FORK ! I have the little screw drivers, but I have zippo hand power. A robot must have put those screws in there.   It is my nap time, I believe.  LOL

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://www.exposetheleft.com/images/slootlarge.JPG

DANA'S WOONIDEE
Fergusonstraat 21 - A
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5830912
Fax: (297) 5830793
Business Category: Furniture Outlets

This is one confusing compound....where exactly is the front of the house?The front that Beth and greta were standing at the gate and outting paulus from his hidey hole in the bushes?

[private eye]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

[Tamikosmom]

It does appear that Jossy does backtrack from his words of June 18, 2007 in regards to Lorenzo's relationship with Joran.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2007

MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, he's a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.
 

Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER SHOW
June 23, 2007

MANSUR:  You know, as far as we know, no, we haven't been able to make that kind of a link or connection whatsoever with regard to the case. I mean the rumours are more than rumours in Aruba that they are half brothers and they have the same appearance, they have the same height, same (inaudible), there are many reasons to believe that but it has not been confirmed by themselves, the two players themselves or anyone else in the family, no

Transcript Credit: Heli - RU

[Helen Back]

Here ya go Helen..

Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE

Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..

Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005

Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/two_observation.html

Thanks, *******.  I was still looking for the post! Not very skilled at searching.

[klaasend]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

I would turn it over to the FBI and let the FBI deal with ALE.  I wouldn't risk it disappearing with ALE.

[Observer]

http://www.exposetheleft.com/images/slootlarge.JPG

DANA'S WOONIDEE
Fergusonstraat 21 - A
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5830912
Fax: (297) 5830793
Business Category: Furniture Outlets

This is one confusing compound....where exactly is the front of the house?The front that Beth and greta were standing at the gate and outting paulus from his hidey hole in the bushes?

LOL! Heres a map of the house that should be fairly accurate..I guess you have to enter that gate to get to the front door,and I guess thats the main house at the end of the property. 

[klaasend]

It does appear that Jossy does backtrack from his words of June 18, 2007 in regards to Lorenzo's relationship with Joran.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2007

MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, he's a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.
 

Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER SHOW
June 23, 2007

MANSUR:  You know, as far as we know, no, we haven't been able to make that kind of a link or connection whatsoever with regard to the case. I mean the rumours are more than rumours in Aruba that they are half brothers and they have the same appearance, they have the same height, same (inaudible), there are many reasons to believe that but it has not been confirmed by themselves, the two players themselves or anyone else in the family, no

Transcript Credit: Heli - RU

And I believe Jossy was referring specifically to the arrest of Lorenzo in the drug bust, that THAT had nothing to do with the NH case.

[MuffyBee]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

PI ~ Video and document everything and get statements from everyone on the ship.  Seal up any evidence, including body into a container, contact FBI.  Never would I ever give Aruban authorities anything. Not even the time of day...

[Tamikosmom]

Janet      

 

Thanks Klaas

[Helen Back]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

I would turn it over to the FBI and let the FBI deal with ALE.  I wouldn't risk it disappearing with ALE.

I would do the same, Klaas.  I was thinking the other day, that if Natalee is in the ocean, the Persistence crew will find her.  If she's found, I hope the FBI takes her to Quantico. 

Then the family may get some measure of the truth. 

[JuJu]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

PI ~ Video and document everything and get statements from everyone on the ship.  Seal up any evidence, including body into a container, contact FBI.  Never would I ever give Aruban authorities anything. Not even the time of day...

I second that...

[Puzzler]

This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

I would turn it over to the FBI and let the FBI deal with ALE.  I wouldn't risk it disappearing with ALE.

Amen!  I would immediately notify the FBI and keep the fact that I had found anything at all a complete and total secret until the FBI is completely on it!!

[Tamikosmom]

This New Jersey gal has connections to Aruba and scuba diving.

http://justagirlintheworld.com/aruba/

I took a look around on there.  Lead to a comment regarding Jossy on Fox in August of 2005, and a video of his interview, stating that Joran has a history on the island of drugging girls.

I know that video is probably here at SM, but I don't know where.  I just thought it might be good to see it again.  I'm always up for a discussion about Joran being a serial rapist. 

Does anyone know where I can find the interview with Jossy?  TIA

Helen ... I know that the interview which you are referring to does exist ... I rememer the expression ... "history of drugging".  However ... I tried but could not locate it.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005

MANSUR: ... At school, he`s been in problems many times. He`s been allowed to gamble at 17 years of age, to enter casinos, which is prohibited in Aruba. He`s been allowed to drink at all these nightclubs that we see him partying. He`s a party boy. And I don`t know how they can serve him drinks, being 17 years old.


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.


Bill O'Relly
THE FACTOR
August 24, 2005

Latest developments in Holloway case
Guest: Jossy Mansur, journalist
 
On Tuesday's program Aruba journalist Jossy Mansur revealed that three young women may testify that they were drugged and raped by Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway case. Mansur returned to elaborate on his explosive assertion. "The three women are Arubans - one is 17 and two are 18. The younger one was questioned by the police and gave a statement." Mansur added that while his newspaper knows the names of all three women, Aruba police only know the identity of the 17-year old.