Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Lala'sMom]

San, the poster from Aruba said that it was three years before
Natalee disappeared.  So he must have been 23 or thereabout.

Yes, I can see him going into the family business.
Likely he was already involved in it and knew the ropes.
That is probably why he is so paranoid.

How do you support his lifestyle on the average salary in Aruba?  Would his father committing suicide not negate any insurance money he might get?  Did he get an inheritance?  Does he have a job?  Where does he get his money?   

[klaasend]

San, the poster from Aruba said that it was three years before
Natalee disappeared.  So he must have been 23 or thereabout.

Yes, I can see him going into the family business.
Likely he was already involved in it and knew the ropes.
That is probably why he is so paranoid.

How do you support his lifestyle on the average salary in Aruba?  Would his father committing suicide not negate any insurance money he might get?  Did he get an inheritance?  Does he have a job?  Where does he get his money?   

Didn't he and his mother inherit the VW Dealership?  Maybe that's where his income is from?

[robots]

MOS is as bad as everyone else that is involved in this MURDER

MOS is rotten

[Tibrogargan]

In my opinion:

Half the time, you have the wrong Lorenzo.  Lorenzo van Rijn is not the one with the escort services at all.  He is a RECLUSE.  This means he does not go to night clubs or casinos much at all if ever.  He does not have RAVE parties and his nickname is not XTC.  My source for this is two people on the island.

He grows weed and from the looks of it, I would suspect that it is that Nederweed.  Some of the Dutch have turned their exquisite and exceptional botanical skills to the development of this product which is reported to be ten times stronger than regular pot.

The "party" the night Natalee disappeared had six people in attendance if you want to call that a Rave.  Did you ever think people might be protective of him because he suffers from problems and his father committed suicide making him four time more likely to do so himself by statistics? 

He is no more Joran's half brother than I am and Jossy has always qualified any statements about him, which are ALWAYS in answer to a question and never just on his own, with it is a rumor or "it is said."  That is a pure Julia rumor if I ever heard one, straight out of soap opera lore.  He was born in Aruba before Paulus moved there for one thing. 

He was questioned because of his previous drug arrests back when he did deal in XTC to see if they asked him to buy drugs or if he had sold them any X or GHB.  If he were really Joran's half brother or anything could be pinned on him, I believe Joran would have mentioned him in his book and certainly Anita and her minions from hell would have been doing so long ago.

In my opinion only but most of that I have verified with TWO sources from the island.  Where are his photos in the bars, etc.?  There aren't any because he is so reclusive.  Of course you can continue to stalk him if you like but it's a waste of time and this has been told several times to different people from islanders and yet it is just ignored.  Odd, that.

Flame away. . . . I just don't think it's right to try to force people to be involved who aren't.

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If we have the wrong Lorenzo as your statement high lighted above, then who would be the correct Lorenzo for us to consider?

[yapperz1]

Klaas I think they did inherit the VW dealership as well as the impport export business. IIRC the VW dealership was sold.
I wish Anna would elaborate more about the party.

[LoRain]

Thanks for the replies folks....
I don't know where NYC_Lover lives....but I hope she is OK....hope she is not being pressured by someone....

[Tylergal]

Lala's I love reading the old posts from the beginning, especially posts about other tourists. Thanks for bringing them

       I recall an unpleasant experience that happened involving both my daughter and myself while in Aruba and having lunch in Carlos and Charlies. So believe me there is most definitely a "seedy side" though many will deny. We entered C+C's at 2:30 pm for a bite to eat. Mid afternoon, many tourists  were present. Shortly after we sat down and ordered the attention started. There were waiters tickling my daughter  as they passed, chatting and flirting. Things did not seem dangerous, but I was aware that this was where Natalee had last been seen alive. Our food came, no drinks......my daughter was 16. Just as we were finishing our lunch a waiter came to the table carrying a tray with something under a napkin. In one fast swoop, he sat his tray down, took from beneath the napkin a shot glass filled with something , he put his right hand on her forehead and in the left held the glass. He tipped back her head and poured the shot down her throat.

Just like you read sometimes....about time moving s-l-o-w-l-y....that is just what happened. I could hear from patrons in the room a collective hushed gasp. I quickly said, "Don't drink that! They killed Natalee!" It was to late. It was definitely alcohol.

As we quickly left they all said, "Come back later....see you tonight".

Did I call the police...No. Should I have called the police ...of course. Do I regret not calling ....yes.

This happened to my daughter and I in March 2006. Bleachedblack

They might have tickled my daughter one time but after that happened, I would have been out of there quicker than you can spin on your heels and a 16 year old is a minor.  I would have reported their "touching" her to the local authorities.  Maybe it would have done no good, but they would have known I had been there.  No one would touch my 16 year old in that manner.  I would fight a circle saw about something like that.  To hell with eating.  I would have left toute suite and they could serve up their goodies to somebody else.

Hind sight is 20/20  after the fact I would agree. Maybe I didn't recount things exactly but anyway.............good for you

Well, I understand how one can get caught up in the moment but even my neighbors have always known not to mess with my children or my pets.  I am a mean SOB when that happens. 

[Magnolia]

San, the poster from Aruba said that it was three years before
Natalee disappeared.  So he must have been 23 or thereabout.

Yes, I can see him going into the family business.
Likely he was already involved in it and knew the ropes.
That is probably why he is so paranoid.

How do you support his lifestyle on the average salary in Aruba?  Would his father committing suicide not negate any insurance money he might get?  Did he get an inheritance?  Does he have a job?  Where does he get his money?   

Didn't he and his mother inherit the VW Dealership?  Maybe that's where his income is from?

They sold the VW dealership right after the father died. 
Lorenzo didn't know much about that business.

[San]

San, the poster from Aruba said that it was three years before
Natalee disappeared.  So he must have been 23 or thereabout.

Yes, I can see him going into the family business.
Likely he was already involved in it and knew the ropes.
That is probably why he is so paranoid.

How do you support his lifestyle on the average salary in Aruba?  Would his father committing suicide not negate any insurance money he might get?  Did he get an inheritance?  Does he have a job?  Where does he get his money?   

Didn't he and his mother inherit the VW Dealership?  Maybe that's where his income is from?

They sold the VW dealership right after the father died. 
Lorenzo didn't know much about that business.

 

[private eye]

San, the poster from Aruba said that it was three years before
Natalee disappeared.  So he must have been 23 or thereabout.

Yes, I can see him going into the family business.
Likely he was already involved in it and knew the ropes.
That is probably why he is so paranoid.

How do you support his lifestyle on the average salary in Aruba?  Would his father committing suicide not negate any insurance money he might get?  Did he get an inheritance?  Does he have a job?  Where does he get his money?   

Didn't he and his mother inherit the VW Dealership?  Maybe that's where his income is from?

I am amazed at the ignorance of the Arubans whom blame Beth for the spreading of rumor and innuendo against the innocent when it is caused by the cover up for the protection of a very few, who wouldn't bother to even think of helping their neighbor in Aruba and would not hesitate to cast blame on the innocent. Ask the security guards if you don't believe me. There are people in Aruba who know what happened that night who have the key to clearing the innocent from guilt in the court of public opinion, and who can restore the friendship of the masses of Aruba and the US. They can also restore a vital economic link between the two countries improving the economy for which they depend on for a living, yet they foolish keep their lips sealed and the boycott on. Naive innocents who will learn one day just how unimportant they are to the guilty. But I have to admit their loyalty to one another is greater than any loyalty I have ever seen. An entire island banded together to protect it's criminals.

[Dayhiker]

HMMMMMM....he sure changed his tune....those who know will understand what I mean.

Gabriel Leo on June 5th, 2005 5:23 pm

As an Arubian, I am very disappointed about the rumors that the international press is publishing about the happenings here on the island. CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS etc all are bringing the news to the world as it unfolds. It even surprises the locals that certain news is published on international media before it’s published on local media. The Aruban Government it’s giving 100% cooporation. The ministers of the island (Prime minister, Minister of Justice, Minister of tourism) Are giving their 100% support in the search for Natalee here on the Island. I as a Local am deeply schocked about the disappearing. We as Arubians are happy to live here on the island and we believe that we are truly blessed bij having a low criminality rate, we truly think we live in Paradise!
We all must be realistic about what is beeing said on the Media. We have crime here on the island, WHO DOESN”T!
We have tourist who have been coming to Aruba for over 20 to 30 years to the island. When they are asked whey they come to the Island the two reason which they give are the Hopitality of our people and the safety that one gets just by being on the Island!

So please! The media and those who follow the news from my Island must not believe everything that is said. CNN reported that Aruba has a dark side. It’s an Island which is ruled by drugs from Colombia and latin prostitutes which invade the island trying to go to Europe via Aruba. NOT TRUE! The media is just blowing the news out of proportion just to make the news more interesting. Sadly these wrong doing is just affecting our reputation and our tourism. Ask Any one you know! What they think about Aruba. I’M SURE that you will be told other!!!

We truly hope and pray that Natalee returns and the Aruban People believe she will return in good health. But we are not at all happy with the international press who are publishing News Without Verifying the story and making sure it’s true! I Guess that’s the only way they think they could get some attention!

The results speak for themselves. Aruba is a Mafia run island, the government did utilize their resources 100% to make sure the case wasn't solved, and the assaults and drugging on tourists continue business as usual. 30% of Arubans are cocaine users, a bad comment on their ability to run an island honestly and legally.

Natalee did not return in good health, the Arubans and their Dutch rulers made sure she hasn't been returned to this day.

Gabe was wrong.

[yapperz1]

PI, I think a lot know more than they have told. They must live in fear of something far greater than the goats ass Rudy Croes or Nelson Oduber.
IMO they need to take off the rose colored glasses & see the real world they live in. The ones they are upholding by being quiet would sell them out in a heartbeat.

[Tibrogargan]

IMO the Arubans are silent not because of loyalty (that word would be as foreign to them as compassion and respect) but by fear.

Again : MOO

[klaasend]

IMO the Arubans are silent not because of loyalty (that word would be as foreign to them as compassion and respect) but by fear.

Again : MOO

They live on a very small island.  Their lives could be made very miserable.

[Dayhiker]

PI, I think a lot know more than they have told. They must live in fear of something far greater than the goats ass Rudy Croes or Nelson Oduber.
IMO they need to take off the rose colored glasses & see the real world they live in. The ones they are upholding by being quiet would sell them out in a heartbeat.

Aruba is out of control. They are still assaulting and robbing tourists. Drugs are still sold out in the open. The island is teetering on the brink of collapse. One bad case and it's curtains.

[robots]

ok, i will say it

i dont think the murder of Natalee was an accident - no way


she was raped and beaten and they knew she would be able to identify a bunch of them. Murdered

people that are drugged and die from an "oversdose" are just left to be found
the next day....but not in this case

im calling paulus a COLD BLOODED KILLER

got that JOE T ?????????

got it ???

COLD BLOODED KILLER

sue me jerkweed 

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas I think they did inherit the VW dealership as well as the impport export business. IIRC the VW dealership was sold.
I wish Anna would elaborate more about the party.

I asked Anna earlier about that party comment...she must have missed it.  It is curious that Simian said it was a "simple" party...but then again maybe I am wrong. 

[mrs. red]

So who is really responsible for Natalee's death?  Is it the bartender that gave her the "special drink," is it "Lorenzo" who may have sold the drugs, is it "Paulus," who was at the casino, is it "Anita" who has always enabled and mediated, or is it "Joran, Deepak and Satish?"

Every single one of them, IMO

[crazybabyborg]

So who is really responsible for Natalee's death?  Is it the bartender that gave her the "special drink," is it "Lorenzo" who may have sold the drugs, is it "Paulus," who was at the casino, is it "Anita" who has always enabled and mediated, or is it "Joran, Deepak and Satish?"

Every single one of them, IMO

That's right. ALL of them!

[robots]

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