Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[Magnolia]

There were some good football games today.
Hope you enjoyed all of yours.

[Helen Back]

what im trying to say... is that i think they put her in the landfill THAT night
they didnt hide her temporarily that night and try a more permament place later on

im split between the abandoned septic tank and the landfill

Thanks to the corrupt cover up perpetrated by Karin Janssen, the ALE, and the corrupt Justice officials, we don't know what happened next.  If only forensic evidence had been collected, we may have some idea.  The clothing that J2K were wearing that night would have told us much about where they were......but it was never collected.  The car could have told us much, as well.  A complete search of the residences could have told us much, but it did not happen.

The clean up was underway and the fix was in.....early on.

Shame on you Karin Janssen........the corrupt prosecutor, who was pursuing the security guards that she knew had no involvement.

We just have no idea what happened after they left C&C's, due to the cover up,

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

[Lala'sMom]

what im trying to say... is that i think they put her in the landfill THAT night
they didnt hide her temporarily that night and try a more permament place later on

im split between the abandoned septic tank and the landfill

Thanks to the corrupt cover up perpetrated by Karin Janssen, the ALE, and the corrupt Justice officials, we don't know what happened next.  If only forensic evidence had been collected, we may have some idea.  The clothing that J2K were wearing that night would have told us much about where they were......but it was never collected.  The car could have told us much, as well.  A complete search of the residences could have told us much, but it did not happen.

The clean up was underway and the fix was in.....early on.

Shame on you Karin Janssen........the corrupt prosecutor, who was pursuing the security guards that she knew had no involvement.

We just have no idea what happened after they left C&C's, due to the cover up,

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

The looked the other way just long enough to clean everything up.  That is evident when Beth talks about her trip to the police station.  They were still trying to get their ducks in a row and they just looked the other way until it was done.  Jacobs is guilty of cover up. KJ is guilty of looking the other way too.  No telling how many more non Dutch are in KIA falsely accused as scapegoats for the Dutch elite.

[jackb]

Back seat of the car (jogger witness)

It has occurred to me that the "I didn't have a condom" speech was to let everyone know he did not plan to have sex with NH, but since "she asked for sex" and he never does this without a condom, he couldn't have.  It would serve to protect him from premeditation.  It would also occur to me that people who rape would most likely not care if they had a condom or not.  Isn't he just the nicest boy?  gag.

[Kat_Gram]

The problem that I have with the potting shed is that there were two dogs at the Sloots. That would not have worked for long.
Maybe they took the two dogs back to the beach area at some point to find her again. Joran sounded like he was drunk, maybe he couldn't find the exact location where she was dumped. Perhaps in the mango grove, they sit in car, discuss, then decide if she is found they will find that shit and they will be implicated. Time to get Paulus involved. No body no case. 

[Helen Back]

what im trying to say... is that i think they put her in the landfill THAT night
they didnt hide her temporarily that night and try a more permament place later on

im split between the abandoned septic tank and the landfill

Thanks to the corrupt cover up perpetrated by Karin Janssen, the ALE, and the corrupt Justice officials, we don't know what happened next.  If only forensic evidence had been collected, we may have some idea.  The clothing that J2K were wearing that night would have told us much about where they were......but it was never collected.  The car could have told us much, as well.  A complete search of the residences could have told us much, but it did not happen.

The clean up was underway and the fix was in.....early on.

Shame on you Karin Janssen........the corrupt prosecutor, who was pursuing the security guards that she knew had no involvement.

We just have no idea what happened after they left C&C's, due to the cover up,

The Caribbean Court of Justice is a joke.  The Hague is a joke.

The looked the other way just long enough to clean everything up.  That is evident when Beth talks about her trip to the police station.  They were still trying to get their ducks in a row and they just looked the other way until it was done.  Jacobs is guilty of cover up. KJ is guilty of looking the other way too.  No telling how many more non Dutch are in KIA falsely accused as scapegoats for the Dutch elite.

yep

[Helen Back]

The problem that I have with the potting shed is that there were two dogs at the Sloots. That would not have worked for long.
Maybe they took the two dogs back to the beach area at some point to find her again. Joran sounded like he was drunk, maybe he couldn't find the exact location where she was dumped. Perhaps in the mango grove, they sit in car, discuss, then decide if she is found they will find that shit and they will be implicated. Time to get Paulus involved. No body no case. 

IMO, Paulus was already involved.  If not, why did he lie to the police about what time he left the casino?

[Observer]

*******,
Where you been all day?  We have missed you.

Hi Magnolia,

It's Sunday and I am normally glued to the TV for football  Thx for the kind words..It's nice to be missed 

Yes, we missed you.  If you had stayed gone another 24 hours we could have said we had not seen you since last year.

LOL! Thx

I agree with all the last few posts,I also believe Natalee was sick and before they arrived at the destination she was out cold. She was fighting consciousness when Satish put that Porn DVD in and it was a clue what they had planned.  She was definetly at the VDS property,died and I believe moved to the shallow grave. Could be PVDS withdrew money to pay people to dig that grave,hush money or use of a boat or even  medical treatment/supplies.  When the media attention and searches started they moved her again. It's possible she was at the Landfill but I think they buried her out to sea. It's a tiny island surrounded by water and I think it's the best and easiest way to get rid of a body forever,besides cremation..

[Helen Back]

It's getting late for me, monkeys.  See you all tomorrow!

[texasmom]

nite Helen, I see there are a few other "night owls" still here tonight.  I've been trying to get caught up.  Has there been an update from the search today?  I didn't find one on Kyle's site, did anyone talk to any of them today that's posted something?

[Kat_Gram]

The problem that I have with the potting shed is that there were two dogs at the Sloots. That would not have worked for long.
Maybe they took the two dogs back to the beach area at some point to find her again. Joran sounded like he was drunk, maybe he couldn't find the exact location where she was dumped. Perhaps in the mango grove, they sit in car, discuss, then decide if she is found they will find that shit and they will be implicated. Time to get Paulus involved. No body no case. 

IMO, Paulus was already involved.  If not, why did he lie to the police about what time he left the casino?

Because Paulus is in up to his eyeballs in something else. I don't think the little kiddo was at home that night that early. He didn't have to go home to feed him, maybe he went somewhere else later. Maybe he too is a liar. Maybe he wanted to distance himself from the entire thing. And hope that if he just played his I can't remember game, it would all go away.
But, tonite is the first time it crossed my mind about coming back to the beach with two dogs to look for her. Further up the beach in a northerly direction.

[Observer]

nite Helen, I see there are a few other "night owls" still here tonight.  I've been trying to get caught up.  Has there been an update from the search today?  I didn't find one on Kyle's site, did anyone talk to any of them today that's posted something?

I haven't seen any updates today. I would imagine they are only doing the ROV dives in daylight while they continue the sonar at night. The next few days are crucial in finding Natalee and if they find her they have camera's on that ROV and it will all be captured on film. I hope to god they are in the right area.
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Paulus lying about what time he left the casino is very interesting. Did he lie to distance himself from Joran or was he up to no good?

[texasmom]

I know exactly what you mean *******, I'm hoping they are in the right area too.  There has been so much going on in my mind about Paulus.....I'd not discussed the case with my husband's family much until Christmas day.  My father in law believes that she was chosen for someone prominent and was sold.  He said she was beautiful and perfect to bring a very high price.  I told him that I had heard early on that there was a Prince on the island during the time she was there if I remembered correctly but I thought that angle had been resolved.  I told him what I knew including about PVDS being in the casino...the atm transactions...etc..to see if he would agree with my belief that she is out there in the ocean.  He never would agree with me and is someone that I respect his opinion in most all situations so it's really had me thinking...  I still have faith that Tim Miller knows a lot more than I do and that they wouldn't be out there unless he truly believes that's where she is.  I am so hoping that they will find the answer out there.....and soon.

[Hotshot]

Yep the sloot dump has a pool. Maybe Lorenzo's house had one too? Maybe the Gottenbos?

They all had pools.......

[Tibrogargan]

Anna,
When you see a post about Lorenzo maybe you could just
skip ober.  That is what I do with subjects that bother me.

Excellent advice Magnolia.
I have to do that all the time with some subjects and some posters or I would be a candidate for a long sleeved white jacket.
 

[yuknomenot]

Anna,
When you see a post about Lorenzo maybe you could just
skip ober.  That is what I do with subjects that bother me.

Excellent advice Magnolia.
I have to do that all the time with some subjects and some posters or I would be a candidate for a long sleeved white jacket.
 

So, I'm new to posting here, but I've been reading y'all for years () now. It doesn't seem likely that this post will be recognized any more than my others, but I must rant.   I can't imagine coming here and not seeing posts by either Anna or Lala'sMom.  Each of you have given me, and most likely thousands of others, something to ponder, a new approach to old questions, a different perspective.  We all have a common goal and that goal has no hope if either of you aren't participants.  Please, put aside your differences, agree to disagree, snipe at each other in private, figure this out however you will, but most importantly, don't exclude us from your thoughts.  You each bring an unique perspective to the conversation that's significant because all we have are unanswered questions.  /rant off

[Nut44x4]

killer on the loose

There is Poppin' Fresh....haven't seem him in so long.

I feel sorry for that boy... 

[Nut44x4]

a real athlete
a real delicious sporter

he can drink 5 yards in under 2 minutes

he can rape 5 girls in 4 days

he can steal hundreds of dollars from his parents ina few short hours

he can kill 3 dogs in under 30 minutes

SUPER KILLER

 

That looks like jizz on his shirt......how gross!!

[Nut44x4]

I think all any of us are doing is stating our opinion about Lorenzo. I don't see it as attacking or jumping on anyone when I state MOO or ask questions.
We get asked to prove his involvement but NO ONE has proven to me he was not involved.

I turned in early last night and this morning I am getting caught up. Back in the last thread someone asked when Lorenzo's dad died...many have seen this site before, but here it is again: Oct. 20, 2001
Rijn van,  Paul  Haarlem  27-12-1958   Astrid Traksel Aruba 20-10-2001
scroll down to near bottom>>
http://www.members.lycos.nl/bidprentjes/2001/2001r.htm

[Nut44x4]

The problem that I have with the potting shed is that there were two dogs at the Sloots. That would not have worked for long.
Maybe they took the two dogs back to the beach area at some point to find her again. Joran sounded like he was drunk, maybe he couldn't find the exact location where she was dumped. Perhaps in the mango grove, they sit in car, discuss, then decide if she is found they will find that shit and they will be implicated. Time to get Paulus involved. No body no case. 

"Deepak came with 2 dogs" ...... ??