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« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2007, 09:04:40 AM »

I know exactly what you mean *******, I'm hoping they are in the right area too.  There has been so much going on in my mind about Paulus.....I'd not discussed the case with my husband's family much until Christmas day.  My father in law believes that she was chosen for someone prominent and was sold.  He said she was beautiful and perfect to bring a very high price.  I told him that I had heard early on that there was a Prince on the island during the time she was there if I remembered correctly but I thought that angle had been resolved.  I told him what I knew including about PVDS being in the casino...the atm transactions...etc..to see if he would agree with my belief that she is out there in the ocean.  He never would agree with me and is someone that I respect his opinion in most all situations so it's really had me thinking...  I still have faith that Tim Miller knows a lot more than I do and that they wouldn't be out there unless he truly believes that's where she is.  I am so hoping that they will find the answer out there.....and soon.


texasmom....my DH believes that Natalee was sold. He has not followed the case, except to be blasted by the TV which I was constantly watching early on. Male opinion I guess?
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« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2007, 09:13:54 AM »

The first week in June 2005, AM Digital kept announcing the three boys had sex, behind the lighthouse.  I believe there is some truth to the story.  The game was to have someone with you so the sex can be stated as consensual, which also came out in the early reports.

I believe Natalee was temporarily placed somewhere where they were worried she would be found and they were accounting for the DNA.  When she was permanently disposed of and the party line of the wild American wouldn't wash, they changed their story.

BY DAVE GOLDINER NEW YORK DAILY NEWS DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Cops in Aruba charged two hotel security guards yesterday in the mysterious disappearance of a vacationing Alabama high school beauty - as FBI divers prepared to join the search for her. The attorney general of the Caribbean island said the men met 18-year-old Natalee Holloway sometime after she was last seen at a bar during a graduation trip over the Memorial Day weekend.

"The [suspects] have a relationship with the disappearance," said Attorney General Caren Janssen. "There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved."

Investigators earlier questioned three other men, who told them they had sex with Holloway after meeting her at the bar in the Caribbean paradise.
It was unclear whether those men, who were freed, pointed cops to the two latest suspects, aged 28 and 30, who work at a hotel near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying."
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« Reply #162 on: December 31, 2007, 09:15:15 AM »


Quote from San:

Did you ever notice that Freddy is as almost as untouchable as Lorenzo.  Nothing sticks to Freddy.



BINGO

I can find absolutely nothing on Freddy's Dad! Nothing! And found only a couple of things on the stepfather, that were a little weird. Don't recall exactly what it was now, so will have to go back and revisit.
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« Reply #163 on: December 31, 2007, 09:38:06 AM »

Update

Mon 31-Dec - 1022hrs

The Persistence spent yesterday performing multiple dives with the ROV. The purpose of the dives is for collecting video of each sonar target. Typically, the sonar target is quickly identified and ruled out from the ROV video. The ROV operations lasted until dusk, where we resumed sonar survey operations through the night. Today, we are performing more ROV dives on targets of potential interest.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com
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« Reply #164 on: December 31, 2007, 10:01:03 AM »

Update

Mon 31-Dec - 1022hrs

The Persistence spent yesterday performing multiple dives with the ROV. The purpose of the dives is for collecting video of each sonar target. Typically, the sonar target is quickly identified and ruled out from the ROV video. The ROV operations lasted until dusk, where we resumed sonar survey operations through the night. Today, we are performing more ROV dives on targets of potential interest.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com


The equipment and the crew are absolutely amazing!!!
God Bless the crew of the Persistance!!! We are constantly praying for you!!!
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« Reply #165 on: December 31, 2007, 10:02:49 AM »

Klaas,
Good morning!! May I ask a favor? You know me...computer illiterate!! Rolling Eyes I would like to e-mail to my address book the front page article on C&C's. Would you e-mail me a link to the article? I don't know how to capture it for an e-mail.
Thanks!
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« Reply #166 on: December 31, 2007, 10:17:23 AM »

Klaas,
Good morning!! May I ask a favor? You know me...computer illiterate!! Rolling Eyes I would like to e-mail to my address book the front page article on C&C's. Would you e-mail me a link to the article? I don't know how to capture it for an e-mail.
Thanks!

I just resent it to you.  If you are going to forward it to you address book use the 2nd one I sent OK?
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« Reply #167 on: December 31, 2007, 10:40:17 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA
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« Reply #168 on: December 31, 2007, 10:47:34 AM »

Some of the earlier posters just make me go  Shocked Shocked

Take this excerpt from a FP post of June 10, 2005:

now I might understand Jacob’s unhappiness with this bar to some extent- my sister has been to Aruba several times, I’ve been once and I will go again, regardless of this incident, the bottomline is you keep an eye on your drink at all times and don’t get into a car with 3 guys, without at least 3 girls, this rule applies in Canada, the US as well as anywhere in the Caribbean if you are female…..

however on her last trip, my sister befriended a Dutchman who worked at her hotel, now he was a perfect gentlemen - just that he was the water sports guy and drug dealer for that beach and she saw a seamier side of Aruba hanging around with this guy, it was also Carnavale weekend so the island was nuts, a lot of Columbians and Venezualans on the island and she found those men to be very aggressive……now she is not a naive person but she was taken aback by the amount of drugs flowing around everywhere…….it changed her perception of quaint little Aruba somewhat but she is still planning to go back, we were planning to in April but we thought the prices were still too high, we were looking for a deal……..
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« Reply #169 on: December 31, 2007, 10:51:40 AM »

With all the lies that have been told from day 1, I just don't know who to believe!

 My personal opinion is that they did go to the beach but not sure how long they stayed.  I think this because Urine tried his best to put this off on the 2k's.

By the way, if you "know the truth but aren't ready to tell it yet but someday you will" is that not obstruction of justice?  If the 3 Stooges can't be held for murder, what about the other crimes that can be proven???
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« Reply #170 on: December 31, 2007, 10:57:57 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA


Morning!....I asked this a while back and a very helpfu Monkey, sorry I can't recall who, told me that Jody Bearman announced that she was an agent. I read later that this was at the Sloots and at the HI, but don't quote me on the HI.
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« Reply #171 on: December 31, 2007, 10:58:49 AM »

I know exactly what you mean *******, I'm hoping they are in the right area too.  There has been so much going on in my mind about Paulus.....I'd not discussed the case with my husband's family much until Christmas day.  My father in law believes that she was chosen for someone prominent and was sold.  He said she was beautiful and perfect to bring a very high price.  I told him that I had heard early on that there was a Prince on the island during the time she was there if I remembered correctly but I thought that angle had been resolved.  I told him what I knew including about PVDS being in the casino...the atm transactions...etc..to see if he would agree with my belief that she is out there in the ocean.  He never would agree with me and is someone that I respect his opinion in most all situations so it's really had me thinking...  I still have faith that Tim Miller knows a lot more than I do and that they wouldn't be out there unless he truly believes that's where she is.  I am so hoping that they will find the answer out there.....and soon.


texasmom....my DH believes that Natalee was sold. He has not followed the case, except to be blasted by the TV which I was constantly watching early on. Male opinion I guess?

Good morning monkeys!

Truthfully, I can't discount the theory of kidnapping and sale or trade of some sort.  Thanks to the corrupt Justice officials, ALE, and judges, We simply have no idea what happened to Natalee after she was kidnapped by Joran, Deepak, and Satish.  We do know now that these three, especially Joran, has a history of drugging girls and raping them, some local girls and some tourists.

As far as most prevalent illegal activities worldwide, human trafficking is tied for second with arms  dealing, right after drug dealing, still at number one.  It happens much more often than most of us are aware.

It's hard to believe that after all this time, we have no real evidence as to exactly what happened to Natalee.  The Chicago AruBay videos certainly look like a crime scene cover up, and Carpe has done tons of work on identifying the body in the basin. 

The Dirty Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and the Dirty ALE, and the corrupt Dutch judges and corrupt justice officials have done an excellent job at obscuring the truth about what happened to Natalee.

If she is in the ocean, the crew of the Persistence will find her.  I'm watching and waiting with them.



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« Reply #172 on: December 31, 2007, 11:02:12 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA


Morning!....I asked this a while back and a very helpfu Monkey, sorry I can't recall who, told me that Jody Bearman announced that she was an agent. I read later that this was at the Sloots and at the HI, but don't quote me on the HI.

To my knowledge, the only place that was being reported was RU.  Their source is likely Renfro.  Take it with a bag of salt.
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« Reply #173 on: December 31, 2007, 11:02:45 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA


Morning!....I asked this a while back and a very helpfu Monkey, sorry I can't recall who, told me that Jody Bearman announced that she was an agent. I read later that this was at the Sloots and at the HI, but don't quote me on the HI.

So there was an FBI agent on that plane the first night? hmmmmm
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« Reply #174 on: December 31, 2007, 11:03:52 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA


Morning!....I asked this a while back and a very helpfu Monkey, sorry I can't recall who, told me that Jody Bearman announced that she was an agent. I read later that this was at the Sloots and at the HI, but don't quote me on the HI.

To my knowledge, the only place that was being reported was RU.  Their source is likely Renfro.  Take it with a bag of salt.


And after one post...we are back to don't know.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #175 on: December 31, 2007, 11:04:49 AM »

Lala's - please read my post above.  I don't believe there was any FBI agent with the MB group.  It was only reported at Refugees, do you want to believe them?
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« Reply #176 on: December 31, 2007, 11:08:03 AM »


Tamikosmom……Sorry for the long Post, but I know what a stickler for details you are!

Steve Croes was not questioned until 6/15 and arrested on 6/17. The article I posted yesterday was dated 6/11. (See below in blue)  IMO, I do not believe the arrest of 6/11 pertains to Steve Croes. I have included all the statement dates of both Steve and Freddy, that we know of. IMO, the arrest of 6/11/2005 could pertain to Freddy.

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Snipped from Nancy Grace transcript which aired 6/17/2005

But first, let`s go down to Aruba and CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, an incredible development, yet a fourth suspect behind bars tonight. Why?

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The fourth suspect that has been arrested has been named as Steven Croes, Steve Croes. Police arrested him around dawn.

What the chief police commissioner, Jan Van Der Straaten, told me when I talked to him was that his name had come up during an interrogation of the three young suspects already in custody for around ten days. What we`re also hearing is that this arrest could have been based on some kind of electronic surveillance.

Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 15 June 2005 / 16:25 Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 17 June 2005 / 07:40 Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Luigi Croes
Description: suspect interrogation
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 18 June 2005 / 16:55
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus
Description: interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Steve Gregg Croes
Date: 31 January 2006109:45
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41



This is snipped from the article I posted yesterday:

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30

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It appears that the status of Freddy has changed on the entries for Karen and Carmen, IMO, as only suspects are listed this way in this document. IMO this is what Jossy was referring to about the media not being informed about Freddy being arrested early in the investigation.


Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41



Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis


Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis


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« Reply #177 on: December 31, 2007, 11:08:06 AM »

Take it with a bag of salt.

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« Reply #178 on: December 31, 2007, 11:12:11 AM »

Lala's - please read my post above.  I don't believe there was any FBI agent with the MB group.  It was only reported at Refugees, do you want to believe them?

I was just asking...I don't believe everything I read. Nothing sinister in my thoughts. It struck me as funny since it came from an old, old post I had read.  My first thought was...why does it matter who came with them...then I opened mouth and inserted foot. Sorry.
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« Reply #179 on: December 31, 2007, 11:12:18 AM »

Morning everyone.  Question...I should know this but I don't.  Of those that arrived with Beth and Jug that first day was there anyone associated with the FBI with them? I was reading some old stuff last night and was wondering whether true or not?  TIA


Morning!....I asked this a while back and a very helpfu Monkey, sorry I can't recall who, told me that Jody Bearman announced that she was an agent. I read later that this was at the Sloots and at the HI, but don't quote me on the HI.

To my knowledge, the only place that was being reported was RU.  Their source is likely Renfro.  Take it with a bag of salt.


And after one post...we are back to don't know.  Rolling Eyes

Hi Lalas! I am looking in Beth's book and the Jodi that was on the plane was the travel agent that booked the trip.
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