Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[Anna]

Yapperz posted in the last Thread:

Anna,
How can you be so sure Lorenzo wasn't involved? None of us were there & only have the word of islanders to go on. IMO no 2 tell the same tale.
I was told that Lorenzo was born in Holland & not on Aruba. I can't prove it. So it may or may not be true.
I find it quite strange that when anyone speculates about Lorenzo YOU accuse us of stalking him. We no more stalk him than any of the other persons of interest on the island. MOO
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Lorenzo has been discussed here for the last four days and I didn't say a word, not even when it was falsely claimed that Jossy confirmed his connection to this and relationship to Joran which is totally false per the link I already posted.

Why do you claim as have others that EVERY TIME someone posts about Lorenzo I do anything for that's just not true.  I seldom respond at all but boy, when I do am I ever attacked for it.

Why is that?  Why do I have to agree with your and other's opinion for my posts to be accepted?

[Dayhiker]

Whew I made it

Mrs Red, I think everyone on that rock who knows what happened is as guilty as the ones who cause Natalee to disappear. There is a special place in hell for all of them. MOO

which is exactly why I don't believe any BS about harming the "innocent" arubans with a boycott.... julia and her minions always spouted off about how everyone knew everyone's business.... boycott that hellhole till it ALL goes by way of the Natural Bridge, which I seem to recall they blamed on Beth

Screw the common Arubans and elite alike. Maybe the poi holoi will get the message and kick the corrupt Dutch out of the hellhole they have created for them.

[Tamikosmom]

Well I guess I will get in trouble for this post...I have been thinking about Lorenzo's possible connections...just listen.  I have watched that video that Kyle has up about the Persistence and I truly don't see how a boat the size of Koen's could go out to that location in the dead of night.  I don't know much about boats, but it sure looked rough out there at times to me.  I was thinking maybe Paulus knew he needed a boat that was accustomed to traveling that far out.  Maybe the rumors of drug cartels and Lorenzo would be the answer. That is pretty far out and I can't imagine those kids doing it all alone.  Is that too far fetched?  OK, maybe it is. 

Could the Tatoo have made it out that far?   Are they trying to throw us off by saying Steve was fired that night because he left the boat when he really didn't.

San ... although my theory does not imply that Natalee was taken out to sea on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... I contend if she was ... she was taken out to sea on the Tattoo and ... this is the reason that Steve Croes enters the scenario.

Janet

[yapperz1]

Yapperz posted in the last Thread:

Anna,
How can you be so sure Lorenzo wasn't involved? None of us were there & only have the word of islanders to go on. IMO no 2 tell the same tale.
I was told that Lorenzo was born in Holland & not on Aruba. I can't prove it. So it may or may not be true.
I find it quite strange that when anyone speculates about Lorenzo YOU accuse us of stalking him. We no more stalk him than any of the other persons of interest on the island. MOO
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Lorenzo has been discussed here for the last four days and I didn't say a word, not even when it was falsely claimed that Jossy confirmed his connection to this and relationship to Joran which is totally false per the link I already posted.

Why do you claim as have others that EVERY TIME someone posts about Lorenzo I do anything for that's just not true.  I seldom respond at all but boy, when I do am I ever attacked for it.

Why is that?  Why do I have to agree with your and other's opinion for my posts to be accepted?

I don't recall asking anyone to agree with me. It just seems everytime some talk about Lorenzo you get bent out of shape. If you know about the so called party, tell us. If you know who the Lorenzo was who was involved with the escort service, tell us.
Like you & everyone else here, I am entitled to my opinion & IMO Lorenzo can not be rules out.

[Lala'sMom]

Whew I made it

Mrs Red, I think everyone on that rock who knows what happened is as guilty as the ones who cause Natalee to disappear. There is a special place in hell for all of them. MOO

which is exactly why I don't believe any BS about harming the "innocent" arubans with a boycott.... julia and her minions always spouted off about how everyone knew everyone's business.... boycott that hellhole till it ALL goes by way of the Natural Bridge, which I seem to recall they blamed on Beth

Screw the common Arubans and elite alike. Maybe the poi holoi will get the message and kick the corrupt Dutch out of the hellhole they have created for them.

I have been reading some of the very first FP posts tonight and I find it sad in many ways. The common Arubans had little knowledge of that dealings of the Dutch elite there on their own island.  It is really sad...they still do not have the courage to admit there is a problem. 

[San]

Well I guess I will get in trouble for this post...I have been thinking about Lorenzo's possible connections...just listen.  I have watched that video that Kyle has up about the Persistence and I truly don't see how a boat the size of Koen's could go out to that location in the dead of night.  I don't know much about boats, but it sure looked rough out there at times to me.  I was thinking maybe Paulus knew he needed a boat that was accustomed to traveling that far out.  Maybe the rumors of drug cartels and Lorenzo would be the answer. That is pretty far out and I can't imagine those kids doing it all alone.  Is that too far fetched?  OK, maybe it is. 

Could the Tatoo have made it out that far?   Are they trying to throw us off by saying Steve was fired that night because he left the boat when he really didn't.

San ... although my theory does not imply that Natalee was taken out to sea on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... I contend if she was ... she was taken out to sea on the Tattoo and ... this is the reason that Steve Croes enters the scenario.

Janet

I agree Janet.  I don't believe she was taken out to sea either.

[Magnolia]

Well I guess I will get in trouble for this post...I have been thinking about Lorenzo's possible connections...just listen.  I have watched that video that Kyle has up about the Persistence and I truly don't see how a boat the size of Koen's could go out to that location in the dead of night.  I don't know much about boats, but it sure looked rough out there at times to me.  I was thinking maybe Paulus knew he needed a boat that was accustomed to traveling that far out.  Maybe the rumors of drug cartels and Lorenzo would be the answer. That is pretty far out and I can't imagine those kids doing it all alone.  Is that too far fetched?  OK, maybe it is. 

Could the Tatoo have made it out that far?   Are they trying to throw us off by saying Steve was fired that night because he left the boat when he really didn't.

Actually, any of the boats could have made it out that far including Koens.

I totally agree Klaas.  Those boys were raised on the water.  They have
been running boats out to sea since they were little kids.

[Dayhiker]

Whew I made it

Mrs Red, I think everyone on that rock who knows what happened is as guilty as the ones who cause Natalee to disappear. There is a special place in hell for all of them. MOO

which is exactly why I don't believe any BS about harming the "innocent" arubans with a boycott.... julia and her minions always spouted off about how everyone knew everyone's business.... boycott that hellhole till it ALL goes by way of the Natural Bridge, which I seem to recall they blamed on Beth

Screw the common Arubans and elite alike. Maybe the poi holoi will get the message and kick the corrupt Dutch out of the hellhole they have created for them.

I have been reading some of the very first FP posts tonight and I find it sad in many ways. The common Arubans had little knowledge of that dealings of the Dutch elite there on their own island.  It is really sad...they still do not have the courage to admit there is a problem. 

That's the plantation mentality from years of being beaten down. They need to get a clue, Lalas, or the elite will take the whole island down with them.

[Magnolia]

Yapperz posted in the last Thread:

Anna,
How can you be so sure Lorenzo wasn't involved? None of us were there & only have the word of islanders to go on. IMO no 2 tell the same tale.
I was told that Lorenzo was born in Holland & not on Aruba. I can't prove it. So it may or may not be true.
I find it quite strange that when anyone speculates about Lorenzo YOU accuse us of stalking him. We no more stalk him than any of the other persons of interest on the island. MOO
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Lorenzo has been discussed here for the last four days and I didn't say a word, not even when it was falsely claimed that Jossy confirmed his connection to this and relationship to Joran which is totally false per the link I already posted.

Why do you claim as have others that EVERY TIME someone posts about Lorenzo I do anything for that's just not true.  I seldom respond at all but boy, when I do am I ever attacked for it.

Why is that?  Why do I have to agree with your and other's opinion for my posts to be accepted?

Anna, who is the other Lorenzo?

[Helen Back]

Well I guess I will get in trouble for this post...I have been thinking about Lorenzo's possible connections...just listen.  I have watched that video that Kyle has up about the Persistence and I truly don't see how a boat the size of Koen's could go out to that location in the dead of night.  I don't know much about boats, but it sure looked rough out there at times to me.  I was thinking maybe Paulus knew he needed a boat that was accustomed to traveling that far out.  Maybe the rumors of drug cartels and Lorenzo would be the answer. That is pretty far out and I can't imagine those kids doing it all alone.  Is that too far fetched?  OK, maybe it is. 

Could the Tatoo have made it out that far?   Are they trying to throw us off by saying Steve was fired that night because he left the boat when he really didn't.

Actually, any of the boats could have made it out that far including Koens.

   Now I don't feel so bad Klaas, for asking you about this a coupla weeks ago.  Klaas has a lot of boating experience, and let me know that the Gottenbos boat could easily go out that far. 

The question is about Paulus.  We know he was in on this from the beginning and certainly through the clean up phase.  Would a man who "would do anything to protect his son" just sit around while his pride and joy is out on the ocean in a small boat with his friends, trying to dispose of a body?  I just don't see it. 

I think it more likely that Paulus was on the ocean with them, or hired it done.

[bleachedblack]

Many very small boats can actually go out fishing very far. I don't want to be on any though. 


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[klaasend]

Many very small boats can actually go out fishing very far. I don't want to be on any though. 


http://www.aug.edu/~sbajmb/pictures/Best-of-Aruba-2004-Web/01.jpg
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http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/trip-reports/2004/petra/photos/fishing_boat.jpg

Yes exactly.  The search is only about 4 miles off shore (I believe).  I've been in a boat about the size of Koens 26 miles to Catalina. 

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and what they will be doing with it

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[Magnolia]

Many very small boats can actually go out fishing very far. I don't want to be on any though. 


http://www.aug.edu/~sbajmb/pictures/Best-of-Aruba-2004-Web/01.jpg
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Yes exactly.  The search is only about 4 miles off shore (I believe).  I've been in a boat about the size of Koens 26 miles to Catalina. 

I have been from Key West to Dry Tortugas on a boat that size. 
It is around 40 miles.

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[Anna]

The main difference in Lorenzo and Koen and Freddie is the fact that we have one police interview as a witness only, no detention as wrongly claimed, for Lorenzo and the rest is pure speculation and rumor.  Yet we have a whole thread dedicated just to trashing him.  Why? 

With Koen and Freddie, we have oodles of photos of them out pimping in the bars with Joran.  Where are the ones of Lorenzo doing that? Joran discusses them extensively in his book especially Freddie yet does not so much as mention Lorenzo yet we have Lorenzo trashed from here to hell and back based on nothing.

Freddie and Koen gave multiple statements and yet we don't go after them the same way we do Lorenzo.  Nor anybody else for that matter.  I am trying to maintain a bit of faith in Hans Mos and he says no one is involved other than the primary suspects.  Jossy confirmed that he could make no connection to Lorenzo in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (not the drug arrest as was claimed Jossy meant) or that he is actually related in any way to Joran.  I believe if it were true, he could.

I have never claimed I was there and know what happened.  I wasn't and I don't but I think it is just as wrong to go after Lorenzo based on zilch as it is for the Rejects to go after the MB kids.  At least we know they were there for a fact.  We have no proof he even knew Joran.

I don't know.  Maybe Lorenzo did kill Natalee at a Rave Party in the tunnels under his house that go all the way well over five miles to the sea beside the armed guard posts after killing his father and making snuff and underage porn with Paul Brough and before selling Natalee into slavery with Colombian drug cartels and Arabs with yachts and using his alleged cigarette boat to dispose of her body and is the illegitimate son of Paulus van der Sloot.  He might also be from Mars.

Guess I just don't have enough imagination.  But before I accuse somebody of things like that, I just like to have an inkling, one shred of actual proof that he even knew these people.

I have yet to see it. 


But I am very weary of being attacked for not being in agreement with the majority here and also having it claimed that every single time someone mentions Lorenzo, I defend him.  That is a LIE.  Go back through the thread and see how many days he was discussed and I said absolutely nothing.  I don't until it starts getting too deep, the BS, that is.

Why am I attacked every time I say I don't find any proof of his involvement?  Instead of attacking me personally, show me the PROOF and I will gladly reconsider his involvement.



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