Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[ldstlou]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Oh, you're right as always, Tylergal, just hard to ignore a post addressed to you telling you to get your facts straight when yours are and theirs are not!  Again.  But I shall certainly try!

And let me be the first to wish you





I can't believe we are still here another year later!

May this one be the one that brings closure to this tragecy.  And soon!  How I admire Janet and her patience.

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Thanks Anna, May 2008 bring great blessings to us all!!
Keep posting Anna!! You know I love your ideas and knowledge girlfriend!!!

[Tamikosmom]

May this one be the one that brings closure to this tragecy.  And soon!  How I admire Janet and her patience.

Anna ... my impatience may not always be revealed in my posts but ... believe me hon ... I am a work in progress.   

Happy New Year Anna!  Happy New Year Monkeys!

Janet

[private eye]

I admire Anna for making a decision and having the courage to stand by it.

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
This goes back to status again...in Aruba they seem to say your are arrested even when they are just asking you about your alibi. You are detained..which is actually arrested...to give statements or provide shoe sizes or whatever.  It's a translation thing to me.  I am not sure the difference between witness and suspect other than the ability to lie and get away with it.  That is why it is confusing to a lot of people...they seem to all be witnesses down there and not suspects or maybe that's the other way around. I think you are almost there Mum, now let's say we all agree that Freddy was the 5th suspect.  Where does that leave us?  What good is it now?  Freddy needs to tell the truth.  So why haven't the Kalpoes made an effort to explain that?  It seems to me that would get them off the hook...if Freddy was involved...why would Joran be afraid of Freddy?  Did Freddy meet Natalee a few days before?  Just throwing that out there. 

And it is a crime for a witness to lie but not for a suspect?

I don't think anything is a crime in Aruba.

Then you have not been paying attention because we have learned that being the caring family member of any tourist who mysteriously disappeared in and/or around Aruba is criminal.  Other than that, pretty cavalier about crime.  I think it's called "hard work" in Aruba, what we consider crime in the USA.

OMG! Tylergal...you are so right...what was I thinking?

[private eye]

When Freddy was arrested and the Kalpoes were
brought back in for detention....I think it was Aug 2005.
It was said that Freddy was arrested for sex with an
underage girl and filming the act and the Kalpoes
and Joran were also present.
What happened to those charges?

Did all four of them skate on those charges too?

It was determined that no laws were broken:)

[Tylergal]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

lol...I like tylergal much better!!!

I don't have the problem you all do with being ignored...since I always talk to myself...often out loud when my son is in school...I just answer myself when no one else does ...lol
I know I am probably certifiable...but works for me...hahahaha
oh gosh..just set myself up for some comments from the refugees didn't I...
hey refs..its LD not ID when you start posting!!! lol

Sometimes I enjoy posting something that I know will get the
RU bunch in a snit.
Tyler is much better than Ignore.

  me too on ru posts!! lol
Of course, lately they have been busy attacking their own posters!!! bhammom takes some serious hits!!! roflmao...now why would you keep posting on a board that tells ya to
 F-off??!! THAT is certifiable for sure!!!

I think we are all in agreement on that and must keep our eye on the prize, that being Natalee.   

[Lala'sMom]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Sorry, I was ignoring you....just kidding.   

[Tylergal]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Oh, you're right as always, Tylergal, just hard to ignore a post addressed to you telling you to get your facts straight when yours are and theirs are not!  Again.  But I shall certainly try!

And let me be the first to wish you





I can't believe we are still here another year later!

May this one be the one that brings closure to this tragecy.  And soon!  How I admire Janet and her patience.

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Well, thank you but wanted you to know I love the garnet dress and boa, it really is a "stepping out" kinda dress.

[Tylergal]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Sorry, I was ignoring you....just kidding.   

I dont' even mind if I am, Lala's.  It keeps me from talking aloud which makes my cats crazy. 

[private eye]

Aruba is touting Birminghams unsolved cases at one of their popular chattering holes. They are citing the wrong stats. Only in Aruba does the judge, prosecutor, chief of police, and defense attorney collude to protect the guilty while being cheered on by the citizens. This isn't an unsolved crime. That is not why we are upset.

[Anna]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Sorry, I was ignoring you....just kidding.  

I dont' even mind if I am, Lala's.  It keeps me from talking aloud which makes my cats crazy. 

When I talk to myself, my dogs always just assume I am talking to them and are delighted!

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[ldstlou]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Sorry, I was ignoring you....just kidding.   

lol

[ldstlou]

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

Sorry, I was ignoring you....just kidding.  

I dont' even mind if I am, Lala's.  It keeps me from talking aloud which makes my cats crazy. 

When I talk to myself, my dogs always just assume I am talking to them and are delighted!

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Love you Monkeys!!! So glad to know I am not the only one who talks out loud to herself!!!!
I feel better!! lol

[Tylergal]

Aruba is touting Birminghams unsolved cases at one of their popular chattering holes. They are citing the wrong stats. Only in Aruba does the judge, prosecutor, chief of police, and defense attorney collude to protect the guilty while being cheered on by the citizens. This isn't an unsolved crime. That is not why we are upset.

Now that Alvin Holmes is suing Auburn because he did not get "free" tickets to the Auburn-Alabama game, I guess it does sort of put us here (stateside) in the same league as Aruba. 

[Anna]

Aruba is touting Birminghams unsolved cases at one of their popular chattering holes. They are citing the wrong stats. Only in Aruba does the judge, prosecutor, chief of police, and defense attorney collude to protect the guilty while being cheered on by the citizens. This isn't an unsolved crime. That is not why we are upset.

Private,

Boy, they've really got us now, lol!

No, they never understand that is it not the fact that a crime or even crimes happen but their total failure to even try to conduct an investigation by even the most minimal of standards that is upsetting.  They also don't realize among many other things that custodial kidnapping is included in our stats, something I am sure falls into that vague "domestic dispute" where they even tried to put the refinery worker's death.

But logic is just not one of their strong points, unfortunately.

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[Tamikosmom]

When Freddy was arrested and the Kalpoes were
brought back in for detention....I think it was Aug 2005.
It was said that Freddy was arrested for sex with an
underage girl and filming the act and the Kalpoes
and Joran were also present.
What happened to those charges?

Did all four of them skate on those charges too?

Karin Janssen could not get it right ... not even once  ... in regards to suspicions that warrant pretrail detainment.  Despite Dutch law that states that strong/ serious suspicions are required ... all formal suspects (9) in the Natalee Holloway case as well as ... Freddie who was detained on "unrelated" suspicions ... are freely walking the streets of Holland and Aruba today ... walking the streets of Aruban and Holland as potential risks to "other" Natalees.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


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INITIAL ARRESTS - JUNE, 2005

1.  Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

2.  Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.
 
3.  Joran van der Sllot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

4.  Deepak Kalpoe:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5.  Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

6. Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

7.  Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


SUBSEQUENT ARRESTS - APRIL, 2006

8.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

9.  Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


KALPOE BROTHERS - SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions


JORAN - SECOND ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Joran van der Sloot: Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


KALPOE BROTHERS - THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


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DUTCH LAW - SERIOUS SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY DETAINMENT

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

[kgwallace88]

DUTCH LAW - SERIOUS SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY DETAINMENT

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.
 

So we can blame the judges for all this insanity then???  Letting the guilty walk free.....maybe he is dirtyhand!

[Tylergal]

When Freddy was arrested and the Kalpoes were
brought back in for detention....I think it was Aug 2005.
It was said that Freddy was arrested for sex with an
underage girl and filming the act and the Kalpoes
and Joran were also present.
What happened to those charges?

Did all four of them skate on those charges too?

Karin Janssen could not get it right ... not even once  ... in regards to suspicions that warrant pretrail detainment.  Despite Dutch law that states that strong/ serious suspicions are required ... all formal suspects (9) in the Natalee Holloway case as well as ... Freddie who was detained on "unrelated" suspicions ... are freely walking the streets of Holland and Aruba today ... walking the streets of Aruban and Holland as potential risks to "other" Natalees.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


+++++++++++

INITIAL ARRESTS - JUNE, 2005

1.  Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

2.  Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.
 
3.  Joran van der Sllot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

4.  Deepak Kalpoe:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5.  Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

6. Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

7.  Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


SUBSEQUENT ARRESTS - APRIL, 2006

8.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

9.  Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


KALPOE BROTHERS - SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions


JORAN - SECOND ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Joran van der Sloot: Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


KALPOE BROTHERS - THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


++++++++++

DUTCH LAW - SERIOUS SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY DETAINMENT

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

At this point in time at which Freddy was brought in on these charges, were they not about the same time the "girls" were going to come forward with information on the PIMPS about being drugged and filmed, and some of the attorneys or law enforcement and/or both, intimidated these girls into withdrawing the stories and  it was made to look as though the girls were compliant and agreeable to these porn videos, or am I as usual forgetting something?

[Anna]

Tyler,

That's what I remember as well and even the one Freddie photographed was said to have only been wearing a bikini according to Anita.

[Tylergal]

I have come to the conclusion that no one can be charged with anything without the succint approval of Rudy Croes and if Rudy views it as being something detrimental to tourism or some of his monetary interests, then it is hawked by the Arubans and their lackeys at RU (paid for by AHATA), then those charges are either omitted or the victims abused verbally and threatened such that the victims are made to look like fools via the talking heads such as Tito, Rubin, Arleen, Julia Renfro, Joe Tacohead.