Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[Pita]

"The producer should sign up and join us."

That's a great idea! Anyone here who is a member of Youtube
could maybe post a comment at the video and extend an invitation.
Just an idea.

May you can ask this question of the person in the comment section of this youtube.

[klaasend]

OceanExplorer - I see you lurking    Can you tell us how many targets have been located that you are going to look further into?

[JusticeforNatalee]

"The producer should sign up and join us."

That's a great idea! Anyone here who is a member of Youtube
could maybe post a comment at the video and extend an invitation.
Just an idea.

May you can ask this question of the person in the comment section of this youtube.

Hi, Pita,

I would do it if I were a member. Any takers on this?

[sirensong]

Happy New Year to everyone!  Prayers and thanks to all involved in searching for Natalee!

   I made the mistake yesterday of re-reading Joran's account of the night from his book.  it made me so angry and upset, I just can't believe how her parents have gotten through this.  I believe(IMO) everything he says he did to her, and she did to him, was purposely made up to hurt Beth.  There is no way he could have seen her underwear in that car the way he says he did. Lying POS.  He seems to be taunting Beth with his description, as I don't believe she would have done any of that with him.  I guess that is what rapists do, blame the victims and take their anger out on them.  JK2 were at C&C for half an hour.  I don't believe all that he says could even happen in that short of time.  You know how it is, an hour when you are out like that seems like 5 minutes.  She was definately drugged and escorted to the car without her being aware of the set up. 

Everything he says about the Kalpoe brothers, is designed to show them that he has the upper hand.  He can accuse them, and everyone will believe him.  So they better keep their mouth shut.

Freddie wouldn't lie for him, so Paul & Anita had to make sure they knew what he told, so they could fix it.  It didn't matter, though since the police had no intentions of ever solving this case.  The whole thing is so  sickening.  Joran is a  POS lying piece of garbage.  Paul & Anita ruined their other two boys for Joran.  Hope they get what they deserve.   What is up that the whole island would protect this psyco?  I hope Aruba gets what it deserves.  If that is the only place one can go for vacation, they might as well go to the dump and set up tents.  Thanks for listening.

[klaasend]

"The producer should sign up and join us."

That's a great idea! Anyone here who is a member of Youtube
could maybe post a comment at the video and extend an invitation.
Just an idea.

May you can ask this question of the person in the comment section of this youtube.

Hi, Pita,

I would do it if I were a member. Any takers on this?

The problem is if we make an issue of it on Youtube, nuts will come out of the woodwork pretending to be "greanteawoman" wanting to register at SM.  Right now there's nobody with that nickname waiting for approval, I've checked.

[oceanexploration]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

[klaasend]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

I understand and thanks for responding!  Also, thanks for everything you all are doing!

[Ree]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

Perhaps I misunderstood.  I thought the entire search was only two weeks?  BTW, did you see the prediction that somebody posted by a psychic who says Natalee will be located in Feb 08.  While that makes me optimistic, I simply cannot wait that much longer.  Take your time, but hurry up, please.

[Observer]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

I understand and thanks for responding!  Also, thanks for everything you all are doing!

Hi Kyle,

I also wanted to thank you and the entire team for what you guys are doing and the sacrafices you have made to help Natalee and her Family.

Something has been in the back of my mind for 30+ months now and I wanted to make sure you were aware of it. After Natalee dissapeared there was a bloody Mattress that appeared in Grapefield Beach it was quickly determined that it was not related to Natalee and that it was saturated and soaked in Dogs Blood.

Also there was a VCB Shirt,Styraphone with teeth marks,Sunglasses and "Suspicious"materials inside a lysol bottle found in the colony area also right after Natalee dissapeared. It has been rumored and reported that the security shirt had dna on it and is related to this case and the arrest of GVC.

I just wanted to make sure you were aware of these two findings from early june 2005 on the southern part of the island. Wish you the best of luck and I will continue to be watching closely. Thanks again!!

[Kimmy53]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

Perhaps I misunderstood.  I thought the entire search was only two weeks?  BTW, did you see the prediction that somebody posted by a psychic who says Natalee will be located in Feb 08.  While that makes me optimistic, I simply cannot wait that much longer.  Take your time, but hurry up, please.

Ree - you are the funniest little monkey!!!

Oceanex:  Please know that all of us monkeys sincerely appreciate what ya'll are doing.  You will be blessed over and over for your selfless giving.  My prayers are with you all..God Bless the Persiverence and Crew

[Magnolia]

It made me feel better to see Ocean "here" and not so
far, far away. It feels like he came home for a visit.
It is great to know that they are still optimistic about
the search.

[Kiwi]

Klaasend...I don't know if lurking is quite the word... rather monitoring the blog chatter.  I can't comment at this time about our findings.  All I will say is that we're optimistic and the search has a long way yet to go.  Be patient. 

I understand and thanks for responding!  Also, thanks for everything you all are doing!

Hi Kyle,

I also wanted to thank you and the entire team for what you guys are doing and the sacrafices you have made to help Natalee and her Family.

Something has been in the back of my mind for 30+ months now and I wanted to make sure you were aware of it. After Natalee dissapeared there was a bloody Mattress that appeared in Grapefield Beach it was quickly determined that it was not related to Natalee and that it was saturated and soaked in Dogs Blood.

Also there was a VCB Shirt,Styraphone with teeth marks,Sunglasses and "Suspicious"materials inside a lysol bottle found in the colony area also right after Natalee dissapeared. It has been rumored and reported that the security shirt had dna on it and is related to this case and the arrest of GVC.

I just wanted to make sure you were aware of these two findings from early june 2005 on the southern part of the island. Wish you the best of luck and I will continue to be watching closely. Thanks again!!

Good afternoon all. Years ago I suggested in an email to Nancy Grace that if Joran was capable of killing the neighbors dog, then he also could sacrifice a dog to cover over Natalee's blood just to keep anyone from doing a true DNA test of the evidence.

[Observer]

Good afternoon all. Years ago I suggested in an email to Nancy Grace that if Joran was capable of killing the neighbors dog, then he also could sacrifice a dog to cover over Natalee's blood just to keep anyone from doing a true DNA test of the evidence.

It's even worse than that Kiwi,He killed his own Dog then blamed someone else.

[Observer]

No idea if this is true or not but this poster seemed to be somewhat reliable.

Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm

[MumInOhio]

No idea if this is true or not but this poster seemed to be somewhat reliable.

Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm

There's one that goes just like that by crs over on about page 3 of the Shango and Simian thread. Kiwi and ******* this id what I have been trying to say since this morning about the two dogs!  Will see if I can find that post later. Got to get DD back to school!

[JuJu]

I don't think there was anything those Demons from Satan's Island would not have done to cover their ass!

[klaasend]

No idea if this is true or not but this poster seemed to be somewhat reliable.

Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm

new girl = Michigan area

[Observer]

No Idea,Where she was hearing this info or if it is true but one last post from New Girl regarding Lorenzo and killing Dogs. I believe most of the rumors she is talking about were from Arubans on the FP here at SM. Could be pure BS,but you would be a fool not to look at everything about people who were questioned in this case. As a witness or a suspect.

New girl on June 28th, 2005 10:38 pm
The hints from the tipsters and the early rumors about Lorenzo made it sound as though Lorenzo was psycho and potentially violent. Subsequent hints were that he has slaughtered dogs, that he was getting friendly attention from Natalee during the first 3 days of her vacation (because he seemed cool and crazy), and that he got pissed off and jealous when she began paying attention to Joran. I believe also that Lorenzo is 5 or 6 years older than Joran and rumors say he has buddies in the drug and police realms. Oh yeah, and it is rumored that LORENZO, and not Joran, is featured in the video of the gang rape of the 14 year old girl.

These things may explain why nobody is speaking. If I was a teenager in-the-know, I wouldn’t risk my neck going up against a corrupt police official and his psycho-dog-slaughtering-Natalee-raping-and-slaughtering-gang-rape video-making buddy. Especially if it also meant possibly busting my friends and also getting myself in trouble with the law / my parents for taking drugs or hanging out at illegal drug parties.

[Tylergal]

Joran says Deepak came with two dogs. San posted a link to GVC’s with two big dogs. Koen’s house has a big gate which could keep in two dogs. LVR had dogs.

Joran didn't mean dogs as in canines. Dogs is local slang for what we refer to as disreputable people. My guess the "two dogs" were Steve Croes and another.

"Dogs" is also slang in that region for "buddies," or "chums."

[Tylergal]

No idea if this is true or not but this poster seemed to be somewhat reliable.

Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm

new girl = Michigan area

Is that our old girl with the Marguritas?