Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[wreck]

I will say it once more. Anna -- we are not attacking you for your OPINION. You are certainly welcome to it. Hell, you are probably right. It just seems you get a little bent when anyone expresses anything different. The only way we can ever get to the truth is for for all of us to keep an open mind. We need you here and your opinons!

[Anna]

I think Lorenzo is such a popular topic because in the beginning many of the local Aruban posters were mentioning him and his parties and the drugs.  That to me makes him open for discussion.  If you believe Lorenzo was just a distraction because he was mentioned by posters such as Arubagirl and Native Lingo and AmericaninAruba and others as a distraction...I disagree.  He was into something sinister otherwise his name would not have come up so soon in this case.  Whether he is involved is still unknown.  It is the same as talking about any of the other people such as Mr. Pink or Boeti.  Their names came up and they are fair game...especially if they were questioned or provided an alibi.  What about that Menses guy...we don't much about his part in all this but we still asked questions and speculated.  I say Lorenzo is fair game in a discussion until it's proven he's not.  Otherwise, we need to end all discussion concerning Freddy.  He was only a witness also until they nailed him for the porn video charges and that went away also. For that matter let's not discuss Julia Renfro any longer she is not involved in this crime and neither is Tito.

If you are talking to me, I NEVER said Lorenzo should not be discussed, just that some proof of his involvement would sure be nice once in a while and I think I should be able to state my opinion without being attacked which so far has yet to happen.

Why can only some state their opinion about him but not me?  Without being attacked, that is.

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I was not talking to you...

Good.

[Anna]

I will say it once more. Anna -- we are not attacking you for your OPINION. You are certainly welcome to it. Hell, you are probably right. It just seems you get a little bent when anyone expresses anything different. The only way we can ever get to the truth is for for all of us to keep an open mind. We need you here and your opinons!

How is not saying a word for four days getting a little bent, Wreck?

[Lala'sMom]

I didn't realize we had been talking about Lorenzo for 4 days now?  I thought it started last night.  Darn it! I missed something.  I thought we were talking about the 5th suspect being Freddy? 

[Anna]

Have had a gutfull of this nonsense for tongiht.

But I get the picture.  Either agree with the majority or shut up.

Good Night and Happy New Year!

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[robots]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

[Anna]

I didn't realize we had been talking about Lorenzo for 4 days now?  I thought it started last night.  Darn it! I missed something.  I thought we were talking about the 5th suspect being Freddy? 

No, that's when I started talking about him and all hell broke loose.  Go back throught the threads and you will see his name mentioned several times a day with no response from me at all.

[Lala'sMom]

Goodnight Anna, sweet dreams. 

[bleachedblack]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

i agree beach was a lie, condom a lie from another night another "pick-up" probably .....a pathological liar.

[Helen Back]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

The beach story has never been confirmed by anyone other than J2K.  Not one single person, tourist, couple, security, fisherman, not one.

Baloney.  Stick a fork in that story Robots, once and for all!

[robots]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

i agree beach was a lie, condom a lie from another night another "pick-up" probably .....a pathological liar.

yes BB
and why not just call the k2 brothes to just deliver him a condom, he was having them cart him all over the place anyway.........

see it makes  ZERRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO sense 

[Helen Back]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

i agree beach was a lie, condom a lie from another night another "pick-up" probably .....a pathological liar.

yes BB
and why not just call the k2 brothes to just deliver him a condom, he was having them cart him all over the place anyway.........

see it makes  ZERRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO sense 

They probably pass em out at C&C's as party favors!  In fiesta colors!

[Magnolia]

Anna,
When you see a post about Lorenzo maybe you could just
skip ober.  That is what I do with subjects that bother me.

[robots]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

The beach story has never been confirmed by anyone other than J2K.  Not one single person, tourist, couple, security, fisherman, not one.

Baloney.  Stick a fork in that story Robots, once and for all!

yep OK

so, lets move forward and simply list the options
that could have happened

1. drove to another isolated area

2. sloot house of horrors

3. ?

4. ?

[robots]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

i agree beach was a lie, condom a lie from another night another "pick-up" probably .....a pathological liar.

yes BB
and why not just call the k2 brothes to just deliver him a condom, he was having them cart him all over the place anyway.........

see it makes  ZERRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO sense 

They probably pass em out at C&C's as party favors!  In fiesta colors!

yep

[Kat_Gram]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

I don't think they went to the beach either, but she could have been there for a while.
..
I also don't think that there were alot of ppl involved, just the three and then Paulus and Ben Vocking ( much later ).
..
Someone here last week mentioned a key to the restaurant where Deepak's mother worked. I believe it was for the meat freezer. What do I think of that ? That that was something else that had nothing to do with this case. Like having the key, taking a box of meat when the opportunity arose. You know, wanna buy  zzzzz ? where you know the stuff  ''fell off the back of a truck ?" kinda thing. What we have learned on this journey is that there are plenty of sleazy characters doing plenty of things. Maybe that's why we have so many sleaze balls to focus in on.   

[yapperz1]

Robots, I still have to wonder about a private party. It has never been disproven. MOO

[crazybabyborg]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

The beach story has never been confirmed by anyone other than J2K.  Not one single person, tourist, couple, security, fisherman, not one.

Baloney.  Stick a fork in that story Robots, once and for all!

yep OK

so, lets move forward and simply list the options
that could have happened

1. drove to another isolated area

2. sloot house of horrors

3. ?

4. ?

Just as options, (I think the Sloot's)

The Lion's Den

The Light House

[Lala'sMom]

if we throw out the WHOLE idea of joran ever being at the beach
(i never thought for a moment from the GET GO they were ever at the beach )
according to joran he didnt have a condom and yet that was the WHOLE reason he was trying to pick up girls.... oh and yes with all the people that JORAN SAYS were at the beach... he could have asked one of them.....

PUT A FORK IN THE BEACH STORY once for all 

The beach story has never been confirmed by anyone other than J2K.  Not one single person, tourist, couple, security, fisherman, not one.

Baloney.  Stick a fork in that story Robots, once and for all!

And what get me is the MSM still says at the beach...Greta has it down to a science and it always includes Boeti.  Even JQK has been known to say it on occasion.  I have to wonder about the beach story...Shango says it never happened. MOO

[bleachedblack]

Robots wrote;

yep OK

so, lets move forward and simply list the options
that could have happened

1. drove to another isolated area

2. sloot house of horrors

3. ?

4. ?

3. Party at Lorenzo's (     )