Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[private eye]

Hello everyone. I just found ou that Judge Bob Wit is now Justice Jacob Wit with the Caribbean Court of Justice, who lists him as formerly with the Netherland Antilles Court? Is this correct that he isn't a part of the regular judges in Aruba? Does anyone know? Was he asked to hear this specific case only?

[Tylergal]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

"I've learned about money laundering in Aruba to support the North Korean nuclear-arms program and about the drugs there."(pg. 196 Beth Holloway)


Minister BRIEZEN - party time

Just as I was saying the other day, the War on Terror trumps a murder or rape anytime.

[Observer]

I am still trying to locate the original Diario article of the Rudy Croes scandal involving these 3 women.

Rudy got caught pimpin these Dominican Women 
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Justice Minister Rudy Croes has more important things to do ...

     Quote:
     News: Sevinger and Oduber (AVP): 'Women's Rights vertrapt'
     Posted by: Xaviera on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 03:23 AM Aruban News
     ORANJESTAD - "Instead of an investigation into three Dominican women under false pretenses to our island are met, the minister would have to set up an investigation into those who have imported and the women would have abused. The internationally recognized rights of women are vertrapt, and thus is the name of Aruba met again through the mud, "says Otmar Oduber (AVP).


     The AVP announced Monday with the declaration for efforts on the issue of a work and residence permit for Dominican women, who have been achieved to Aruba 'to a partijhuis for Rudy Croes in San Nicolas to paint and to build campagnehuis do. " The Green Party takes no pleasure with the statement by the Minister for last Thursday, where he rejected any personal responsibility and those in the lap of schoof Marco Marlin, Ruben Werleman and Joe Koolman. This trio was recently in the Dominican Republic in connection with the inauguration of a Plaza Libertador Betico Croes there.

     Croes said that it was a 'vakantievergunning'. According Otmar Oduber and Benny Sevinger exists no such authorisation, and the issuance of visas for a stay for the Ambassador of the Kingdom. "Croes is already outside his booklet, but there's more: it issued states that the person mentioned in the document without a visa can travel to Aruba. On the 'vakantievergunning' is that it is a "work and / or residence, but neither employer completion date are listed," says Sevinger. The minister stated that the Club Dominicano Arubano applications for the girls to get to Aruba has made, "but" says Sevinger, "according to our information, club disagree on statutes. Aruba, the Dominican community is angry about this affair and considers itself is not represented by this club. "

     Friday has an AVP delegation visited the consul of the Dominican Republic to express its concerns about the import of the ladies by the MEP, now approved by the Minister of Justice of the same party be indicted because of libel. " According to party leader Mike Eman is customary that the content of this kind of calls to be made outside Not reported. "Our concern would be transferred to higher frameworks," was the only thing he could say about this.


     Source: Amigoe

This kind of frenzied actions of people from the government, the daily course of business in politics Aruba. Totally since my old neighbor Henny Eman is gone, and Nelson Oduber could form a government with an absolute majority in parliament.

And we complain about but Donner.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/733883/1/50

[Observer]

Hello everyone. I just found ou that Judge Bob Wit is now Justice Jacob Wit with the Caribbean Court of Justice, who lists him as formerly with the Netherland Antilles Court? Is this correct that he isn't a part of the regular judges in Aruba? Does anyone know? Was he asked to hear this specific case only?

I think he is part of the supreme court now,I believe he was part of the caribbean court of Justice when Natalee dissapeared. I may be wrong but I thought he took the position in the CCJ on June 1st 2005. Trying to find a link 

[Observer]

No alternatives for travel ban
Amigoe.com from 12/27/07

WILLEMSTAD – Bob Wit calls the brushing off of last month’s Antillean travel ban by the Supreme Court  ‘a  black  day  for  the  fight  on  criminality  in  Curacao’.   “The Supreme Court took the decision on extremely debatable ground and without any argumentation”, said Wit.

The former judge in the Joint Court of Justice of the Antilles and Aruba and currently in the Caribbean Supreme Court is the person that in July of 2004 imposed the ban as special stipulation for the drug couriers sentenced to conditional imprisonment; during their probation, drug courier are banned from traveling from any part of the Kingdom (especially from Curacao) and the public prosecutor confiscate their passport for that period of time.   

Up till the decision of the Supreme Court on November 6, the OM confiscated and returned after the probation period, a few thousand passports.  Wit says that the travel ban was part of a ‘very careful, well thought-out, humane, and nonetheless or perhaps therefore extremely successful punishment mete out policy of the judicial power of the Dutch Caribbean’ that the Supreme Court did away with ‘in one sacral, epileptic sense, obviously without discussing or maintaining any argumentation’.

Wit is of the opinion that the ‘series of words used by the Supreme Court that in the beginning look inscrutable’ have some weak points and pass over the fact that jurisprudence really exists that can impose special conditions to stop suspects from committing the same kind of crimes again.  “If the Supreme Court had maintained his own jurisprudence, he would have never concluded that the special condition of the travel ban is inadmissible.   The travel ban was meant to stop convicts  exporting  narcotics  from Curacao again.”  Wit knows that if the passport is not confiscated, after having been caught with drugs at the airport of Curaçao and not immediately put behind bars, the  drug  mafia  will pressure these  drugs  carriers  to try to transport the extremely profitable merchandise to the Netherlands again.   

The introduction of this travel ban has to do with  the  explosion  of  the  drug  transportation,  the measures that followed (Hato team and the 100 percent check) the increased number of cases against  drug  couriers,  and the eternal shortage of cells in prison, whereby letting the convict walk around free was more a rule than an exception.  The special condition of the travel ban has been very successful, says Wit.  The number of arrests on Schiphol from Curacao dropped from 415 to 130 in the first quarter of 2005 and to 40 in the third quarter of that same year; this number continued to drop and was even 17 in the second quarter of 2006.   Also the number of  murder  crimes  in Curacao dropped to  50  in 2004 and  25  in 2005.  The Curacao community is since then back to normal, even though it is no oasis still.

[Observer]

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

[Nut44x4]

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

[Nut44x4]

his name should be Half Wit

[Magnolia]

his name should be Half Wit

Or Nit Wit.....that is what my mother called us.

[Observer]

his name should be Half Wit

Or Nit Wit  ..He blames Dompig and says he was obstructing justice and protecting the sloots,Blames the Prosecuters office..But it is him who changed the warrant to only search Jorans Apt and the 2 cars. Then says they never asked for anything more. Dompid said they were denied in both searches. Someone is lying big here and they are caught. No wonder why Dompig hasnt spoke out since Wit's article in Bon Dia.

[private eye]

Hello everyone. I just found ou that Judge Bob Wit is now Justice Jacob Wit with the Caribbean Court of Justice, who lists him as formerly with the Netherland Antilles Court? Is this correct that he isn't a part of the regular judges in Aruba? Does anyone know? Was he asked to hear this specific case only?

I think he is part of the supreme court now,I believe he was part of the caribbean court of Justice when Natalee dissapeared. I may be wrong but I thought he took the position in the CCJ on June 1st 2005. Trying to find a link 

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

[Magnolia]

Help me here...wasn't it Wonder Woman posting on the front page
here that started the rumor that Natalee had run away previously?

I think Wonder Woman was using that other nic of hers.

They have a thing going at RU that it was some government
employee or former government employee.

[Kermit]

Hello everyone. I just found ou that Judge Bob Wit is now Justice Jacob Wit with the Caribbean Court of Justice, who lists him as formerly with the Netherland Antilles Court? Is this correct that he isn't a part of the regular judges in Aruba? Does anyone know? Was he asked to hear this specific case only?

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.
http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

[Kermit]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

"I've learned about money laundering in Aruba to support the North Korean nuclear-arms program and about the drugs there."(pg. 196 Beth Holloway)


Minister BRIEZEN - party time

Just as I was saying the other day, the War on Terror trumps a murder or rape anytime.

Yes Tylergirl,

I read your post the other day and that is what prompted me to go fetch this information I've had.

[Helen Back]

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

Which has left many of us here wondering exactly what his jurisdiction was at the time he limited the warrant at the Sloots.  Judge Jacob Robert Bob Wit.  Probably A Croes or Rudy in there somewhere too)

[Kermit]

oops sorry *******, you had already posted the information.

[private eye]

his name should be Half Wit

Or Nit Wit  ..He blames Dompig and says he was obstructing justice and protecting the sloots,Blames the Prosecuters office..But it is him who changed the warrant to only search Jorans Apt and the 2 cars. Then says they never asked for anything more. Dompid said they were denied in both searches. Someone is lying big here and they are caught. No wonder why Dompig hasnt spoke out since Wit's article in Bon Dia.

This the link to his code of ethics now. He worked in Aruba regualrly thru 1995 and PVDS worked in that area in Aruba beginning in 1990 based on this profile at his law firm, they are within a year of the same age, both Dutch. The ethics say he should at all cost avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, yet he shrinks the search warrant when it has been said it was a subjective decicion. Well they were employees in the same office it appears, so why err on the conservative?

[Observer]

Some of Mr. Justice Wit's assignments in recent times have brought him into close contact with Judiciaries of the English, French and Spanish speaking Caribbean. He has led judicial delegations to Antigua & Barbuda (1997) and Cuba (2002) for the purpo­se of obtaining evidence in high profile criminal cases in those territories. In his role as judicial educator, the Honourable Judge has been involved in conducting training workshops and seminars for judicial trainees and Judges from Surina­me, Haiti, and the Commonwealth Caribbean.

He definetly knows PVDS 

[private eye]

his name should be Half Wit

Or Nit Wit  ..He blames Dompig and says he was obstructing justice and protecting the sloots,Blames the Prosecuters office..But it is him who changed the warrant to only search Jorans Apt and the 2 cars. Then says they never asked for anything more. Dompid said they were denied in both searches. Someone is lying big here and they are caught. No wonder why Dompig hasnt spoke out since Wit's article in Bon Dia.

This the link to his code of ethics now. He worked in Aruba regualrly thru 1995 and PVDS worked in that area in Aruba beginning in 1990 based on this profile at his law firm, they are within a year of the same age, both Dutch. The ethics say he should at all cost avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, yet he shrinks the search warrant when it has been said it was a subjective decicion. Well they were employees in the same office it appears, so why err on the conservative?

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/codeofethics.html

[Buckeye]

Minister accused of assault

Did he ever go on trial?

Kermie,

Did you ever see a perv whose first line of defense wasn't to start trashing his victim?  It's a small island and these women and girls have to live there so guess they make it not tenable to do so if charges are pressed.  I believe this one was dropped just like all the others.  Must make their lives a living hell to get them to do that.

MO

Minister Ramon (?) was accused in November 2006.  Haven't heard of trial....victim probably didn't file 

Interesting paragraph from arubagirl blogged Nov 30, 2006:

But the island... now, there is some stuff happening here. let me tell you. First up, a government minister has been accused of rape. Now, I can write oodles of stuff about gender relations, rape, sexual harrassment on this island, but of all the government ministers that we have, he would have been way underneath on my list of suspects. The matter is being investigated, of course. The alleged victim spoke out on the radio and for real, she gave me chills. If she's faking, get her an agent and to Hollywood, stat.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/this_isle_o_mine/index.html