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« Reply #200 on: December 31, 2007, 12:14:02 PM »

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This goes back to status again...in Aruba they seem to say your are arrested even when they are just asking you about your alibi. You are detained..which is actually arrested...to give statements or provide shoe sizes or whatever.  It's a translation thing to me.  I am not sure the difference between witness and suspect other than the ability to lie and get away with it.  That is why it is confusing to a lot of people...they seem to all be witnesses down there and not suspects or maybe that's the other way around. I think you are almost there Mum, now let's say we all agree that Freddy was the 5th suspect.  Where does that leave us?  What good is it now?  Freddy needs to tell the truth.  So why haven't the Kalpoes made an effort to explain that?  It seems to me that would get them off the hook...if Freddy was involved...why would Joran be afraid of Freddy?  Did Freddy meet Natalee a few days before?  Just throwing that out there. 

And it is a crime for a witness to lie but not for a suspect?

No, that's all bullshit, just like the whole Aruban Dutch Law thing.  Joran lied as a witness without consequences and he lied as a suspect without consequences.  "Lying with consequences" is applied ad lib as the powers that be, see fit.
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« Reply #201 on: December 31, 2007, 12:15:52 PM »

Beth has an aunt with a southern combination name with Lee as the second part is how Natalee came to be.
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« Reply #202 on: December 31, 2007, 12:16:30 PM »

Mum
This goes back to status again...in Aruba they seem to say your are arrested even when they are just asking you about your alibi. You are detained..which is actually arrested...to give statements or provide shoe sizes or whatever.  It's a translation thing to me.  I am not sure the difference between witness and suspect other than the ability to lie and get away with it.  That is why it is confusing to a lot of people...they seem to all be witnesses down there and not suspects or maybe that's the other way around. I think you are almost there Mum, now let's say we all agree that Freddy was the 5th suspect.  Where does that leave us?  What good is it now?  Freddy needs to tell the truth.  So why haven't the Kalpoes made an effort to explain that?  It seems to me that would get them off the hook...if Freddy was involved...why would Joran be afraid of Freddy?  Did Freddy meet Natalee a few days before?  Just throwing that out there. 

And it is a crime for a witness to lie but not for a suspect?

I don't think anything is a crime in Aruba.

Then you have not been paying attention because we have learned that being the caring family member of any tourist who mysteriously disappeared in and/or around Aruba is criminal.  Other than that, pretty cavalier about crime.  I think it's called "hard work" in Aruba, what we consider crime in the USA.
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« Reply #203 on: December 31, 2007, 12:20:39 PM »

When Freddy was arrested and the Kalpoes were
brought back in for detention....I think it was Aug 2005.
It was said that Freddy was arrested for sex with an
underage girl and filming the act and the Kalpoes
and Joran were also present.
What happened to those charges?

Did all four of them skate on those charges too?
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« Reply #204 on: December 31, 2007, 12:22:13 PM »

Mum
This goes back to status again...in Aruba they seem to say your are arrested even when they are just asking you about your alibi. You are detained..which is actually arrested...to give statements or provide shoe sizes or whatever.  It's a translation thing to me.  I am not sure the difference between witness and suspect other than the ability to lie and get away with it.  That is why it is confusing to a lot of people...they seem to all be witnesses down there and not suspects or maybe that's the other way around. I think you are almost there Mum, now let's say we all agree that Freddy was the 5th suspect.  Where does that leave us?  What good is it now?  Freddy needs to tell the truth.  So why haven't the Kalpoes made an effort to explain that?  It seems to me that would get them off the hook...if Freddy was involved...why would Joran be afraid of Freddy?  Did Freddy meet Natalee a few days before?  Just throwing that out there. 

And it is a crime for a witness to lie but not for a suspect?

No, that's all bullshit, just like the whole Aruban Dutch Law thing.  Joran lied as a witness without consequences and he lied as a suspect without consequences.  "Lying with consequences" is applied ad lib as the powers that be, see fit.

Well to make it more confusing, as their status evolved from witness to suspect, does that absolve them from earlier lies told as a witness? The judge directs the investigation in Aruba, much more so than in the US, and a judge determined to extract the truth had the tools at his disposal to at least attempt to break the weakest link in the know. The judge, prosecutor, police chief, and defense attorney all colluded to act as the defense in this case. Mos is the first entry I believe of a real force for the state who by law represents Natalee since what was done to her is a crime against the state, supposedly.
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« Reply #205 on: December 31, 2007, 12:22:37 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."
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« Reply #206 on: December 31, 2007, 12:27:25 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

lol...I like tylergal much better!!!
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« Reply #207 on: December 31, 2007, 12:30:32 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

lol...I like tylergal much better!!!

I don't have the problem you all do with being ignored...since I always talk to myself...often out loud when my son is in school...I just answer myself when no one else does Shocked...lol
I know I am probably certifiable...but works for me...hahahaha
oh gosh..just set myself up for some comments from the refugees didn't I...
hey refs..its LD not ID when you start posting!!! lol
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« Reply #208 on: December 31, 2007, 12:33:09 PM »

When Freddy was arrested and the Kalpoes were
brought back in for detention....I think it was Aug 2005.
It was said that Freddy was arrested for sex with an
underage girl and filming the act and the Kalpoes
and Joran were also present.
What happened to those charges?

Did all four of them skate on those charges too?


It appears everybody skated on everything!

I wonder if my local high school libraries would accept a copy of Beth's book?
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« Reply #209 on: December 31, 2007, 12:34:34 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

lol...I like tylergal much better!!!

I don't have the problem you all do with being ignored...since I always talk to myself...often out loud when my son is in school...I just answer myself when no one else does Shocked...lol
I know I am probably certifiable...but works for me...hahahaha
oh gosh..just set myself up for some comments from the refugees didn't I...
hey refs..its LD not ID when you start posting!!! lol

Sometimes I enjoy posting something that I know will get the
RU bunch in a snit.
Tyler is much better than Ignore. Smile
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« Reply #210 on: December 31, 2007, 12:35:14 PM »

Monkeys ... there is a God in heaven and ... in His perfect timing ... there will be justice for Natalee and .. there be peace for her family.  Think about it ... if we comprehended with our finite understanding ... the ways of an Absolute God ... He would not be God.  Make sense?  A small child ... as impatient as he may be ... bottom line ... he has complete faith and trust in the ways of his earthly father.  We are called upon to to what is right but ... as children of God we must learn to put our faith and trust in the ways of our Heavenly Father.  He knows every chapter ... every word of the Natalee Holloway story ... He is the Divine author.

Keep the faith and ... as the Father's tool ... continue to do what is required in the persuance of justice for Natalee and ... He will take control of the outcome.

With love, Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE


Page 228/229 - At the top of her closet are some boxes, heavy ones.  I pull them down and open them to find Natalee's composition notebook, which is actually a journal from a high-school English class.  It's in her handwriting.  I have never seen this before.  As I open it, I instantly feel her with me right now at this mement, like a physical presence.  Overwhelmed with this warmth, I take the journal our and sit down on her bed to read what she has written about love and life.

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life ..."

"A hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a stron sense of determination and stick to goals and morals ..."


Romans 8:28
We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.


Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.


Psalm 37:7
Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for him to act.  Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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« Reply #211 on: December 31, 2007, 12:35:15 PM »

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Can you tell us anything more about this?

A small island community off the southern tip of Luzon had a similar event. 15,000 people who know each other's names. No murder since WWII, and then the VCRs arrived in 1998, along with some porn. Some young men watched the porn, got excited, and murdered a young woman after kidnapping her and having their way with her.
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« Reply #212 on: December 31, 2007, 12:38:15 PM »

LDStlou, I agree, just talk to oneself and if ignored, no one else gets his/her feelings hurt.

Janet, that made me cry when I read that.  We know what was in Natalee's heart based on that, although we had been witness to her hard work and determination, putting the big picture ahead of the little snapshots in life.
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« Reply #213 on: December 31, 2007, 12:46:21 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."


I for one love to follow Anna's posts. I certainly agree with the above and I thought I had posted in support of Anna's thought to a certain extent. I am sure some innocent people are being wrongly shrouded in innuendo, and there are some bad guys being brought up who though they may do some bad things, their "bad things" have nothing to do with this case. And it is regrettable for that to happen. But it is a result of the cover up that it is occurring, and it is by design, so I am not sure what can be done about it. It is also a shame that being reclusive in and of itself invites, wrongly, rampant speculation and gossip. Howard Hughes comes to mind. Being misunderstood is a very painful ordeal to go thru, but I don't know how we can expect the posters to make an exception to this one person who may have involvement.

I want to go on record as apologizing in advance for causing any innocent person, and by innocent I mean who has no direct involvement with this case, pain or discomfort, and regretting that the only means I see of keeping this case open is the applying of public pressure on the authorities in Aruba, and that to do that an open inquiry in the court of public opinion must be kept lively, broad, and as always in the case where no actual evidence is made available except to the courts, prosecutor, and defense attorney, based on information that cannot be credentialed (what a sentence, I am out of breath just reading it:)). And I for one look forward to the day when the courts of Aruba do their job and accurately administer the justice to those who are guilty.

And the people of Aruba are the only ones who can insist that that be done. We want to be friends with Aruba, or I do. The potential for a great friendship is there. The liberator of your country, Bettico Croes, sought exactly that for its citizens. Well, he was right. We are, I am, your neighbors, providing us tourism will provide you with a fine living and a great quality of life. My hand is always out for you. I am waiting for you to extend yours.
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« Reply #214 on: December 31, 2007, 12:48:21 PM »

This is Saturday's Diario, which I did not access until today. (Wasn't up yesterday morning.)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/12/29/

First up is Jossy's recap of a grim 2007 for Aruba.

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       Mi ta completamente den desacuerdo cu e exposicion di Nel tocante e economia di Aruba y e logronan di su Gobierno; mi lo a bise di otro manera: cu B.B.O. y e aumentonan di awa, coriente y gasolin, e economia di Aruba a haya un retraso cu ta bay acentua mas durante 2008, y e unico logro visible di su Gobierno ta e record cu el a impone den e mundo di escandalo, corupcion y nepotismo. Por lo demas, e viahenan pa Brazil, China y India no a produci nada pa nos isla, excepto gastonan exorbitante, y a dificulta un enfoke optimjsta cu den e futuro inmediato cosnan lo por cambia.

    Ademas, esaki tabata un aña den cual persecucion politico a mira un auge sin precedente; tatanan di famia a sufri den nan presupuestonan debi na e medidanan impositivo cu a forza nan poder di compra te na e rand di un colapso; Gobierno a sobrepasa tur limite di gastamento y no a pone den practica ningun esfuerzo pa corta su gastonan; politikeria di e peor sorto a ser hunga cu e imagen di Betico; fiesta a ser haci cu terenonan di Pueblo; brug a ser traha cu placa di Pueblo pa faborece famia; huurnan barbaro a continua sin mengua; tabata tin escasez di placa pa inverti den education y turismo; Ministerio Publico a laga un lesion profundo den e funcionamento di Husticia; o sea cu tur lo anterior ta forma parti di e sintomanan di e malnan cu ta minando hasta e basenan di nos democracia.

    Di nos a para bira un isla riba cual un partido y su Gobierno a consenti durante mas di cinco aña pa maldadnan cometi cu alevosia keda impune; infraccionnan di Ley a ser poni un banda pa deshaci di nan cu e splicacion simplista y ingenuo di \'privacidad\'; un solo Ministro a trapa riba Ley na su antoho, inventando herencia, trahando brug cu placa di Pueblo, regalando Pier cu no ta di dje, pagando financiadornan cu terenonan propiedad di Pueblo, prestando placa grandi di un empresa offshore sin splicacion logico di su procedencia, y ni tampoco cumpliendo, te unda cu por a averigua, cu e reglamentonan di Banco Central, ricibiendo un carta cu oferta di soborno sin denuncie na e autoridadnan competente; enfin, un caso destina pa Ripley\'s \"Believe it or Not\"!

    Na aña 2007 nos mira e resurgimento di un caso cu a causa Aruba hopi daño, o sea e desaparicion di un mucha muher turista cu a bin for di Merca pa djey somenta den e compañia di tres sospechoso. Despues di un blunder di marca mayor, awe ningun di nan ta sospechoso mas, y e caso ta na candal. E daño causa a bira mas grandi, y Dios so sa te unda e ta bay sigui afecta-nos isla. Pa agrega na dje, ata asaltonan riba turistanan dilanti o patras di nan hotelnan a continua hasta den dia cla, comosifuera nos industria turistico por wanta mas sla di e indole ey.

   Seguridad personal, o sea e derecho riba e integridad fisico di cada ciudadano, tambe a sufri e embate di un delincuencia terible, cu ta lantando cabez cu forza. Ladronicia, asaltonan, atakenan riba caya o na cas, o den negoshi, tiramento riba polis, peleanan di gang, den nightclub, riba caya, ta manteniendo henter poblacion den zozobra. Lo bin un fin na nan na 2008? Ban spera cu polis lo ser duna e armanan adecuado pa combati criminalidad den tur su formanan, pa asina nan por debolbe Aruba un sentido di paz y trankilidad cu awe no tey mas.

    Pakico pinta un panorama asina sombrio na fin di aña? Pasobra e Unico forma di exigi medidanan corectivo for di e autoridadnan competente ta enfocando e pa loke e ta, sin adorno. Ya a bira tempo pa Gobierno asumi su papel conductor. Nel por ta un bon o mal polit­ico, e porta un bon o mal lider di partido, pero un cos ta cierto: ta e tin e batuta di mando den su mannan. Awor, si e no sa con comanda respet y exigi seguimento di un plan pa solventa e problemanan cu ta afectando Aruba for di su Gabinete, e pase pa otro di su mesun Partido, o di cualke otro Partido, cu si tin e boluntad y e conocimentonan pa trece e solucionnan urgentemente rekeri.

    Nel, a pesar di su 30 y pico añanan den politica, no a logra demostra cu e por tuma un distancia prudente como lider y Prome Ministro di MEP, pa converti su mes den un lider y Prome Ministro di henter Aruba. Di mi e sacu e no por spera nunca elogionan cu e no merece, y e mester ta bon na altura cu mi no ta forma parti tampoco di e coro cosmopolita cu ta ofrece adulation en cambio di fabor o permiso. Loke si mi ta desea ta di mira un resurgimento di Aruba, un reconversion di un isla infecta pa tanto desastre, division, odio y rencor, pa e oasis di unidad, paz y comprension cu e tabata anteriormente. Den mi pensamentonan y sentimentonan, Aruba semper a bin den prome lugar, y esey nunca lo cambia. Mi fe den e posibilidad di redencion pa Aruba a keda firme, a pesar di tanto aña di • desperdicio di un Gobierno mediocre.

    Mi ta desea tur e habitantenan di Aruba un feliz y prospero Aña Nobo, yen di bendicion y di salud. Ban tene confianza den Dios y den nos mes pa enfrenta y soluciona loke sea por presenta durante 2008.

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year new

i am completamente in desacuerdo cu the exposicion of nel tocante the economia of aruba y the logronan of his gobierno; my will owing to bise of another manera: cu b.b.o. y the aumentonan of water, coriente y gasolene, the economia of aruba owing to achieve one retraso cu is bay acentua more during 2008, y the unique logro visible of his gobierno is the record cu past owing to impone in the world of escandalo, corupcion y nepotismo.
can will other, the viahenan for brazil, china y india not owing to produci nothing for we island, excepto gastonan exorbitante, y owing to dificulta one enfoke optimjsta cu in the future immediate cosnan will can change.

besides, this was one year in cual persecucion politico owing to see one auge without precedente; tatanan of family owing to abide in they presupuestonan debi at the medidanan impositivo cu owing to forza they power of compra till at the rand of one colapso; gobierno owing to sobrepasa all boundary of gastamento y not owing to place in practica none esfuerzo for clip his gastonan; politikeria of the worse sort owing to being play cu the imagen of betico; party owing to being haci cu terenonan of pueblo; bridge owing to being work cu coin of people for faborece famia; huurnan barbaro owing to continua without mengua; was have escasez of coin for inverti in education y turismo; ministerio publico owing to let one lesion deep in the funcionamento of husticia; or as cu all will anterior is form part of the sintomanan of the malnan cu is minando even the basenan of we democracia.

of we owing to stop become one island on cual one faction y his gobierno owing to consenti during more of cinco year for maldadnan cometi cu alevosia stay impune; infraccionnan of ley owing to being poni one near for deshaci of they cu the splicacion simplista y ingenuo of 'privacidad'; one sun ministro owing to trapa on ley at his desire, inventando herencia, trahando bridge cu coin of people, regalando pier cu do not of dje, pagando financiadornan cu terenonan property of people, prestando coin big of one empresa offshore without splicacion logico of his procedencia, y neither niether cumpliendo, till where cu can owing to averigua, cu the reglamentonan of banco central, ricibiendo one carta cu oferta of soborno without denuncie at the autoridadnan competente; enfin, one caso destina for ripley's "believe it or not"!

at year 2007 we see the resurgimento of one caso cu owing to cause aruba much damage, or as the desaparicion of one child muher tourist cu owing to come for of merca for djey somenta in the compañia of three sospechoso. after of one blunder of mark parent, today none of they're sospechoso more, y the caso is at candal. the damage cause owing to become more big, y god only know till where the is bay follow afecta-nos island. for agrega at dje, behold asaltonan on turistanan fast or behind they hotelnan owing to continua even in day cla, comosifuera we industry turistico can wanta more sla of the indole ey.

seguridad personal, or as the derecho on the integridad fisico of cada ciudadano, also owing to abide the embate of one delincuencia terible, cu is lantando cabez cu forza. ladronicia, asaltonan, atakenan on caya or at home, or in business, tiramento on police, peleanan of gang, in nightclub, on caya, is manteniendo all poblacion in zozobra. will come one end at they at 2008? as wait for cu police will being give the armanan adecuado for combati criminalidad in all his formanan, for so they can debolbe aruba one sense of paz y trankilidad cu today not tey more.

pakico draw one view so sombrio at end of year? because the unique form of exigi medidanan corectivo for of the autoridadnan competente is enfocando the for thing the is, without adorno. already owing to become time for gobierno asumi his paper conductor. nel can is one good or bad polit­ico, the door one good or bad leader of faction, but anything is cierto: is the have the batuta of command in his hands. now, if the not know con comanda respet y exigi seguimento of one plan for solventa the problemanan cu is afectando aruba for of his gabinete, the pase for another of his same faction, or of cualke another faction, cu if have the boluntad y the conocimentonan for trece the solucionnan urgentemente rekeri.

nel, owing to pesar of his 30 y pico añanan in politica, not owing to succeed demostra cu the can take one distancia prudente because; leader y first ministro of mep, for converti his self in one leader y first ministro of all aruba. of my the pocket the not can wait for never elogionan cu the not merece, y the have to is good at height cu my do not form part niether of the coro cosmopolita cu is ofrece adulation provided that cambio of please or permission. thing if i am desea is of see one resurgimento of aruba, one reconversion of one island infecta for tanto desastre, division, hate y rencor, for her oasis of unidad, paz y comprension cu the was anteriormente. in my pensamentonan y sentimentonan, aruba always owing to come in first lugar, y esey never will change. my confidence in the posibilidad of redencion for aruba owing to stay firme, owing to pesar of tanto year of • desperdicio of one gobierno mediocre.

i am desea all the habitantenan of aruba one feliz y prospero year new, complete of bendicion y of salud. as as confianza in god y in we self for enfrenta y soluciona thing as can present during 2008.

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Follow-up on the attack on the 17-year-old female tourist, "H.B.". From the previous reports, she is Venezuelan but apparently lives in Miami. The attack apparently was a mugging-purse snatching; the assailant pushed or threw her against a wall.

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ATRACADOR A CHOCA E DAMA TURISTA


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Diabierna, oficialmente pa medio di vocero policial suplente John Larmonie, a duna relao di e caso serio, unda un turista hoben a worde ataca den area di un Highrise Timeshare Resort.
 
Presencia di patruya a worde solicita mesora pa atende e caso. Ta trata di un mucha muher naci na Venezuela di inicialnan H.B. di 17 aña, kende e ora ey ainda tabata den shock di loke a pasa cune.
   Segun e bishitante a declara, e ta cana den e area di e hotel y un homber desconoci a gare na su garganta y a ordena pa e “No Grita” (expresa na idioma ingles).
   Pero e denunciante a cuminsa grita, consecuentemente e homber a cuminza dal cabez di e turista den muraya. Esaki a pone e muher grita mas fuerte y lucha cu e homber desconoci.
   Na dado momento e turista a logra sali for gara y core bay. Den careda e mucha muher a laga su tas cay, e individuo a gara esaki y desaparece. Den e tas segun e turista e tin 100 Dollar, articulo cosmetico, su Visa Credit-Card, fuera un camera digital.
   Segun descripcion suministra na polis, cu ta trata di un homber delega, cu estatura di 1,80 meter, sin flanel, bisti cu short color scur.
   No ta exclui cu prome y durante y despues di loke a tuma lugar cu por a capta via di camera e homber anti-social aki.
   Sigur locual a tuma lugar ta un otro golpi pa nos turismo y e hotel e ncuestion su seguridad  tin di worde revisa y medidanan tin di worde adapta.
   Mientras tanto e caso tin debido atencion di Recherche..

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according relato of police

atracador owing to choca the lady tourist


oranjestad (aan): on diabierna, oficialmente by vocero policial suplente john larmonie, owing to give relao of the caso earnest, where one tourist young owing to worde ataca in area of one highrise timeshare resort.

presencia of patrol owing to worde solicita at once for atende the caso. is deal of one child muher naci at venezuela of inicialnan h.b. of 17 year, that the hour ey still was in shock of thing owing to happen cune.

according the bishitante owing to declara, the is march in the area of the hotel y one man desconoci owing to gare at his throat y owing to ordena for her “no grita” (expresa at language ingles).

but the denunciante owing to cuminsa bark, consecuentemente he owing to cuminza strike cabez of the tourist in wall. this owing to place the muher bark more strong y struggle cu he desconoci.

at dado instant the tourist owing to succeed leave for grab y core bay. in careda the child muher owing to let his bag cay, the individual owing to grab this y desaparece. in the bag according the tourist the have 100 dollar, articulo cosmetico, his visa credit-card, fuera one camera digital.

according descripcion suministra at police, cu is deal of one man delega, cu estatura of 1,80 metre, without flanel, dress cu short color dark.

do not exclui cu first y during y after of thing did take lugar cu can owing to capta via of camera he anti-social here.

assure locual did take lugar is one another golpi for we turism y the hotel the ncuestion his seguridad have of worde revisa y medidanan have of worde adapta.

all the time the caso have debido atencion of recherche..

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« Reply #215 on: December 31, 2007, 12:50:42 PM »

I am posting this in regard to statements made here yesterday about Spencher Bacchus' involvement, lack of involvement, etc. 

As far as his looking guilty, I just don't see that and it is not my place to defend the congressman from another district, but as I stated earlier, just think about information he had that could have brought a former president down that he never shared until all the hullabaloo was over and done with, because he was more of a patriot and felt like during times of war or perceived near-war, it was better to keep information and I have learned just from watching TV that the Patriot Act trumps a rape or murder, which looms large in our eyes but the people who take office are sworn to the preservation and defense of this country and sometimes what we perceive as large, really is large, has to be considered smaller when it comes to defending millions of lives. 
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« Reply #216 on: December 31, 2007, 12:59:13 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."

lol...I like tylergal much better!!!

I don't have the problem you all do with being ignored...since I always talk to myself...often out loud when my son is in school...I just answer myself when no one else does Shocked...lol
I know I am probably certifiable...but works for me...hahahaha
oh gosh..just set myself up for some comments from the refugees didn't I...
hey refs..its LD not ID when you start posting!!! lol

Sometimes I enjoy posting something that I know will get the
RU bunch in a snit.
Tyler is much better than Ignore. Smile

  me too on ru posts!! lol
Of course, lately they have been busy attacking their own posters!!! bhammom takes some serious hits!!! roflmao...now why would you keep posting on a board that tells ya to
 F-off??!! THAT is certifiable for sure!!!
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« Reply #217 on: December 31, 2007, 01:00:45 PM »


Tamikosmom…I left you a post apage or two back.


Happy New Year everybody!
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« Reply #218 on: December 31, 2007, 01:02:24 PM »

Monkeys ... there is a God in heaven and ... in His perfect timing ... there will be justice for Natalee and .. there be peace for her family.  Think about it ... if we comprehended with our finite understanding ... the ways of an Absolute God ... He would not be God.  Make sense?  A small child ... as impatient as he may be ... bottom line ... he has complete faith and trust in the ways of his earthly father.  We are called upon to to what is right but ... as children of God we must learn to put our faith and trust in the ways of our Heavenly Father.  He knows every chapter ... every word of the Natalee Holloway story ... He is the Divine author.

Keep the faith and ... as the Father's tool ... continue to do what is required in the persuance of justice for Natalee and ... He will take control of the outcome.

With love, Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE


Page 228/229 - At the top of her closet are some boxes, heavy ones.  I pull them down and open them to find Natalee's composition notebook, which is actually a journal from a high-school English class.  It's in her handwriting.  I have never seen this before.  As I open it, I instantly feel her with me right now at this mement, like a physical presence.  Overwhelmed with this warmth, I take the journal our and sit down on her bed to read what she has written about love and life.

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life ..."

"A hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a stron sense of determination and stick to goals and morals ..."


Romans 8:28
We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.


Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.


Psalm 37:7
Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for him to act.  Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.

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« Reply #219 on: December 31, 2007, 01:03:43 PM »

Anna, you should be able to post here just like everyone else and if you do not like what someone says, please ignore it.  I have been ignored ad nauseum here as are many others, but that should not prevent you from posting as it does not prevent me fro posting.  In fact, I was thinking about changing my screen name to "ignored."


Oh, you're right as always, Tylergal, just hard to ignore a post addressed to you telling you to get your facts straight when yours are and theirs are not!  Again.  But I shall certainly try!

And let me be the first to wish you





I can't believe we are still here another year later!

May this one be the one that brings closure to this tragecy.  And soon!  How I admire Janet and her patience.

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