Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[KarmaRoundUp]

More publicity =

Georgia students will sift through evidence for clues in the murder

By EMILIE RAGUSO
eraguso@modbee.comand MICHAEL DOYLE
BEE WASHINGTON BUREAU

last updated: January 01, 2008 01:17:01 A


[snip]
Will take up Holloway case, too

Students this year also will probe the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a high school student from Alabama who vanished during a graduation trip in Aruba.

Students meet monthly to share insights from their research and hear from speakers who worked the case or have other expertise. McCollum has considered inviting former Washington, D.C., Police Chief Charles Ramsey to speak. He was chief during the Levy investigation.

She plans to bring in a technology expert to talk about Levy's computer and explain what Web sites she apparently visited before her disappearance might reveal. It's all about exposure to information sources officers regularly mine, she said.

There is a tradition of college students finding justice in old cases. At Northwestern University Law School in Illinois, for instance, the Center on Wrongful Convictions has exonerated death row inmates.

Levy's parents, through Washington-based attorney Billy Martin, had their own private investigators looking into the murder.

The private investigators kicked up a bit of a fuss, including the discovery of some bones that had been missed by police, but they, along with Martin, have long since left the case.

"They promised to contact me," Susan Levy said, "but they never have."

Former FBI agent Brad Garrett, the chief federal investigator in the matter, has retired and started his own Northern Virginia investigations firm.

"If I had the money to, I would hire him," Levy said. "I just can't afford it."

Former D.C. Chief Ramsey has become police chief in Philadelphia, while his former deputy, Terrance Gainer, is now sergeant-at-arms for the U.S. Senate.

Met new D.C. police chief

Susan Levy made a point of flying to Washington about a year ago to meet with Ramsey's replacement, Cathy L. Lanier. There have been more than 1,000 homicides in Washington since Chandra Levy died, and Susan Levy wanted to make sure her daughter wasn't forgotten.

"As a woman, I immediately felt a connection to her," Levy said of Lanier. "She seemed very, very warm."

Levy said Lanier assured her that much is possible. The department has top-notch investigators. Cold cases are reopened. Last year, Washington, D.C., police solved 70 percent of all homicides.

That represents progress. In 2003, Washington police solved 60 percent of homicides.

Still, it means about one in three Washington murders remains unsolved. The police department has its own cold case experts, for whom the Bauder College students will serve as voluntary reinforcements.

For the families of victims in cases they've studied, McCollum said, extra help is often a blessing. Students reach out to survivors whenever possible. Parents come to the college to speak. Others have called the institute weekly for updates. McCollum has invited Susan Levy to Georgia to talk to students.
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http://www.modbee.com/local/story/167078.html

I wonder if the Holloway case will become a 'staple' on college campuses in the U.S.

I think it would be great to get Art Wood or someone who helped on Natalee's case to speak for these students.Maybe even Beth or Dave,to give a parent's point of view.

[Lala'sMom]

I have a really stupid question...I know most of mine are stupid, but I should know the answer to this one and I don't.

What caused the ALE to attempt to drain that pond on June 14 or so?  The one we all saw on television that they never quite got drained and just gave up? Who pointed them in that direction?  Was it the discovery of those panties or did someone tell them Joran was seen there? Anyone?  TIA

[Pita]

Can a smart Monkey, please help me with this? I need to know who the Heimlein referred to in this quote is? TIA


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.

The only Heinlein I am familar with is Robert Heinlein, a German-American science fiction writer.

[dennisintn]

Pauw Witteman show had Peter deVries as guest on 12/7/07 when JVDS was to be released.  During the show Paulus called in. 

Here's the youtube of the segment.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=i5RAr8nUbu8

YOUTUBE -fragment. Holloway - case only the first two minutes.
But of course translation is here:

Pauw: Why was Joran arrested for this second time?
PVDS : I have no idea , because in fact they don't have any evidence. I think the arrest was even illegal , just because they did not have ANYTHING.

i hope jorg pillories paulus again in public for speaking badly about the justice system of which he is a member.  it's time for the sloot's to start paying their own freight for what they've done to and with natalee, and stop hiding behind aruba's coattails.
dennisintn

[Pita]

I have a really stupid question...I know most of mine are stupid, but I should know the answer to this one and I don't.

What caused the ALE to attempt to drain that pond on June 14 or so?  The one we all saw on television that they never quite got drained and just gave up? Who pointed them in that direction?  Was it the discovery of those panties or did someone tell them Joran was seen there? Anyone?  TIA

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GRACE: Jossy, question about the pond. What in the gardener`s statement has led police to drain this pond?

MANSUR: The fact that he identified these three suspects in the Kalpoe`s car at that hour, between 2:30 and 3:00, at that particular place. We have to remember that Joran is a member of the racket clubs. He knows that area very well, from the palm of his hand.

And we have to remember also that Joran confessed to the police on the 13th of June that, at 2:00 that same morning, he went to the beach to the north of the Marriott Hotel with Natalee.

GRACE: So he is a member, his family is a member, of the racket club. And we`ve caught him in another lie, bottom line.

MANSUR: Of course, we caught him in a lie, because, not only him, but the Kalpoe brothers also, because they claim they dropped him off there at 2:00 and then went home.

But they were with him, because in a further statement to the police on the 13th of June, Joran said that Deepak Kalpoe walked back to the beach where he had left Natalee asleep and then he didn`t hear anything more. Then, at the end, when the police asked him what he thought happened between Deepak and Natalee, he said, "I think he raped her and then murdered her."

This is from the police records.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Pita...I knew I should have known the answer. 

[Pita]

Thanks Pita...I knew I should have known the answer. 

LOL Lala's!!   

[MumInOhio]

Can a smart Monkey, please help me with this? I need to know who the Heimlein referred to in this quote is? TIA


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.

The only Heinlein I am familar with is Robert Heinlein, a German-American science fiction writer.

Thanks Pita...I did see a famous quote of his about capitalism, will go back now that I have a first name.

[Shell]

Where was Steve Croes at 2 am if he wasn't watching the Tatoo? Was it rumored he went to c & c that night? If so, where did he go after closing time? I can't help but wonder why he lied about the HI story.

[Shell]

Could SC be one of Deepak's dogs?

[mrs. red]

Where was Steve Croes at 2 am if he wasn't watching the Tatoo? Was it rumored he went to c & c that night? If so, where did he go after closing time? I can't help but wonder why he lied about the HI story.

I still find it telling and odd that SCroes was given a job at CnC's after the story... and who's brother is the PR manager of CnC's....

[San]

Where was Steve Croes at 2 am if he wasn't watching the Tatoo? Was it rumored he went to c & c that night? If so, where did he go after closing time? I can't help but wonder why he lied about the HI story.

I still find it telling and odd that SCroes was given a job at CnC's after the story... and who's brother is the PR manager of CnC's....

Tito.

[mrs. red]

and who does tito work for?  and who is her good friend???

it all just points the same way .....

[MumInOhio]

Where was Steve Croes at 2 am if he wasn't watching the Tatoo? Was it rumored he went to c & c that night? If so, where did he go after closing time? I can't help but wonder why he lied about the HI story.

Hi Shell...Steve has me wondering too! First I thought he was arrested to keep him quiet about who all of the pimps were at C and Cs that night. Then I started leaning towards him being involved in the moving of Natalee. And just lately I read a lot of old posts that he was a bigtime drug dealer and that J2k's were his runners.

Remember the first reports said that Natalee left with a known drug dealer. But anyway, IMO he's more involved than the HI lie.

The two dogs could be Deepak and Steve.

Hi Mrs Red....Steve got a new job, Kalpoes got to stay and the Internet Cafe and even Dompig came out smelling like a rose!

[San]

and who does tito work for?  and who is her good friend???

it all just points the same way .....

Yep

[Shell]

and who does tito work for?  and who is her good friend???

it all just points the same way .....

Yes it does. And, Joran, Deepak and little Satish will forever be known as the last 3 with Natalee. They did something to her and the Dad knows and/or was involved. We will continue to broadcast that fact in the great US of A. and they will live to regret. What goes around comes around, my Mom said it and it is true.

[San]

and who does tito work for?  and who is her good friend???

it all just points the same way .....

Yes it does. And, Joran, Deepak and little Satish will forever be known as the last 3 with Natalee. They did something to her and the Dad knows and/or was involved. We will continue to broadcast that fact in the great US of A. and they will live to regret. What goes around comes around, my Mom said it and it is true.

I agree.

[klaasend]

Mrs. Red - I need you to check your messages please, TIA

[mrs. red]

and who does tito work for?  and who is her good friend???

it all just points the same way .....

Yes it does. And, Joran, Deepak and little Satish will forever be known as the last 3 with Natalee. They did something to her and the Dad knows and/or was involved. We will continue to broadcast that fact in the great US of A. and they will live to regret. What goes around comes around, my Mom said it and it is true.

I agree.

 I know for a fact that what goes around comes around is true

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red - I need you to check your messages please, TIA

Check your email....