Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[Pita]

Even the "angel" looks like Anita!

look at the bottom right -- an arrow down to "a drink within a drink". At 6-5-05 these "theories"  were simply not out there yet.

Those theories were not out in the public yet.  The parents were searching crack houses, etc.

There would have to be time for the movement of information from witnesses, and the creation of the cartoon. 

Perhaps Natalee's remains were found by authorities as early as day two (Monday or Tuesday).  Keeping them would have certainly answered some questions.  I don't think the story developed as some thought. 

I wonder how many witnesses there are?

Where was the cartoon published?

Anthony Diberardo


About the Cartoonist:

Biography
by: Carmine Funt

Anthony Diberardo is a Canadian political cartoonist who was born on the 27th of October 1476, in Canada. He spent most of his early childhood ignoring others, choosing instead to visit "happy-land". He showed artistic potential early on, often cartooning for cigarettes.
At the age of 10 he won the prestigious Royal Award for Artistic Excellence*.
He went on to win several other awards in his teen years*.

He majored in Fine Art at the University of Guelph.

In the fall of 2002 he left on a wonderful journey to South East Asia where he contracted several of the more well known STD's. There was also a brief battle with some sort of skin fungus.

For a year he taught English and Art to "a great bunch of kids", about 700 a week or so. He recalls walking into the grade three classrooms where the students used to stand and cheer, "art class!". "That made me feel really good. It was then I knew the $40,000 I spent on my degree was really worth it."

After he had his fill of street noodles, dried fish snacks and vomiting children, he drank beer in Europe for a while.

He ended up teaching again to support his "habits". This time, however, it was to university students- all English, no art. It was good. They were "a great bunch of kids".

After getting kicked out of Poland he made his triumphant* return to Southern Ontario.

Oh yes, during this time, and without even entering, he won several prestigious international awards.*

Currently he is a canadian political cartoonist who displays his work on the web, cartoons.diberardo.com, and in numerous publications*.

View diberardo's cartoons: they probably will not bite you.

* This may or may not be true, and by may I mean definitely not true.

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

[Tylergal]

GEL  I enlarged that a little this morning will go back and make it even bigger.

Wow..that is hard on the eyes!

Will retract my post about the number 5 in the sky, it is a lower case 'b'. Jaime's nickname is 'beto' and I also see the letter 'z'.

Sorry, I could not make head nor tail of the top left hand corner.

Original site of cartoon with article by Karl Penhaul

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

One Sunday morning about 2 years ago, JerseyMom and I were discussing this photograph and its artist, and a new poster popped up who answered the questions about it in a somewhat belligerent manner, as if he knew the artist or was the artist.  Poster never came here again to my knowledge, so I am assuming if the poster was the artist or knew the artist, he/she was guilty of more than second-guessing.

[Buckeye]

Good Morning!.....that cartoon gives me the creeps every time I see it!

Anyone else think that one cloud looks like a surviellance plane?

I have always seen a LOT of things in that cartoon. Yes, that "cloud" looks sorta like an "AWACS" plane. The weirdest thing is the date of the cartoon (6-5-05) -- there are SO many relevant things in it that no one knew about at such a early date in this case!

Does anyone see anything peculiar under the hatch marks on the upper left hand corner?

There is a sketch of a man standing behind someone bent over.....very similar to the clips from the porn video in Deepak car....but I don't see a mask....

[MumInOhio]

Frank....I posted this the other day....Check out the last link for an article by our friend Ms JA. The top link won't work

The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years


news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/



Forward Operating Location (FOL). Funding was provided to maintain and operate the FOL in Aruba. This FOL
consists of 1 facility which is a building. FOL Aruba provides an overflow capability to facilitate counterdrug detection and monitoring operations within the USSOUTHCOM AOR. FOL Aruba provides communication and contracting support to aircrews. (PC9500) Total FY05 Funding: $1.534M. Cost breakout is as follows:
·   Bandwidth expense ($500K) ·   
             Civil engineering/contracting support to building/ramp projects ($552K)
·   Direct support to include Air Expeditionary Forces Communication person per diem and travel, lodging, environmental baseline study, and miscellaneous contracts ($430K)
·   Air Combat Command Program Management System expense ($50K)
·   Base operating support contract support ($2K)

http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000347.htm








Interesting article from someone we have discussed. Very interesting!


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

Lol GEL..I know what you mean!

[MumInOhio]

GEL  I enlarged that a little this morning will go back and make it even bigger.

Wow..that is hard on the eyes!

Will retract my post about the number 5 in the sky, it is a lower case 'b'. Jaime's nickname is 'beto' and I also see the letter 'z'.

Sorry, I could not make head nor tail of the top left hand corner.

Original site of cartoon with article by Karl Penhaul

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

One Sunday morning about 2 years ago, JerseyMom and I were discussing this photograph and its artist, and a new poster popped up who answered the questions about it in a somewhat belligerent manner, as if he knew the artist or was the artist.  Poster never came here again to my knowledge, so I am assuming if the poster was the artist or knew the artist, he/she was guilty of more than second-guessing.

Thanks Tyler....I do recall several posters tried to contact him, but he did not respond.

[Tamikosmom]

Prior the June 7, 2005 published cartoon .... Diberardo had to have been privy to inside information pertaining to Joran's May 31, 2005 missing declaration ... the missing declaration.

Deepak and Satish May 31, 2005 declarations imply that that Joran must have diverted from the Holiday Inn fabrication.

Janet

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http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php
Search continues for teen missing in Aruba
Government workers join hunt for Alabama woman
Tuesday, June 7, 2005 Posted: 9:37 AM EDT (1337 GMT)


Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station.

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom.... is this the one you mean? Or maybe this is the revamped one!

Joran van der Sloot

Name: loran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 / 11;20
Pages: 6 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator: Marcelino Ras I Ghrizanti Tromp
Description: statement as a witness and indication of an area

[Mere]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

[MumInOhio]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

Mere...when I had it up to 400% I could see a house. Sorry, who is Karl, is he the CNN reporter? TIA

[Lala'sMom]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

Karl who? 

[MumInOhio]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

Karl who? 

LOL...I think Mere left and all I can think of is Nancy Grace's Karl Penhaul, but I really don't have a clue other than that!

Do you think that the topic of discussion from last night might 'shock the world'? TIA

[Nut44x4]

WOW...he is older than Robots!! 

Anthony Diberardo is a Canadian political cartoonist who was born on the 27th of October 1476, in Canada.

[Lala'sMom]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

Karl who? 

LOL...I think Mere left and all I can think of is Nancy Grace's Karl Penhaul, but I really don't have a clue other than that!

Do you think that the topic of discussion from last night might 'shock the world'? TIA

If you are talking about the nuclear arms...I would think so to some extent. It certainly trumps two bit drug dealers any day.  Which reminds me of another idea but I am actually afraid to say anything without approval...let me just say it involves the Russian mafia and North Korea.  These two countries would have a common goal and if they are working on it together...well then...you have the bigger fish to fry right there. MOO

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom.... is this the one you mean? Or maybe this is the revamped one!

Joran van der Sloot

Name: loran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 / 11;20
Pages: 6 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator: Marcelino Ras I Ghrizanti Tromp
Description: statement as a witness and indication of an area

Mum ... in their declarations .... Joran and Paulus both refer to Joran's May 31, 2005 witness questioning as well as ... the drive that he took with authorities but ... the May 31, 2005 declaration  and attachment has never been revealed.

When you take the Fisherman Hut/Marriot Beach question presented to each of the Kalpoe brothers in their May 31, 2005 witness  interrogation ... it is obvious that Joran had diverted from the Holiday Inn account in his May 31, 2005 witness statment that was given just a short time prior.

In his June 9, 2005 suspect statement ... Joran has reverted back to the Holiday Inn dropoff.  The Marriot Beach dropoff does not emerge until Joran's June 14, 2005 suspect statement.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

We drove back to the Holiday Inn Hotel to drop Natalee off there. When we arrived there Deepak parked on the left lane and not on the right lane that lies in front of the Lobby. Natalee got out the back door on the right side and she fell to the floor. I got out of the same car door and helped her get up. After I did that Natalee said to me not to touch her and she walked into the direction/towards the lobby. I saw that she touched a pillar.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

When we, on May 30th, stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.

When Natalee and myself were dropped off at the Marriot Hotel by Satish and Deepak it was approximately 01.50 am. After we were dropped off Natalee and myself walked to the beach in front of the Marriot Hotel.

[Lala'sMom]

This may be unpopular here but...if this cartoon was published 6/7/05 then all that is in the cartoon was already known.  If this guy is as good an artist as he seems...it would not take very long to draw that cartoon maybe only a few hours.  So how are we getting the idea that this was done before any of this stuff was known?  I am confused...once again. TIA

[San]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

I never realized that was a house Mere until you just told me.  It could have been mentioned before but I could have missed it.  I also agree that it is the Van der Sloot house.  As far as it being Joran's apartment it could be or even the shed in the Sloot dump.

It is always good to go over things again because people miss stuff.

[Lala'sMom]

I'm not a Shango/Simian scholar, so please forgive me if I don't get the Shango reference correct.

One Shango/Simian thing that always stuck with me was the comment like "they didn't want bloody Mary's, they wanted virgin Mary's".  Never read the "bloody" reference in Shango.  Where did you see this.  It is speculated that this could mean that Mary was already drugged by the time she went to the party OR that she was and innocent person that didn't know what happened to her until it was too late. (No offense to Christians here.) OR that she wasn't as innocent sexually as we think, but still she was led to the slaughter without her knowing.  Many interpretations....no answers. I may be over reading Shango again...I have seen it so many times I tend to skip things I already know and forget more than I remember.

I always thought the "bloody Mary" reference was to the legalized prostitution, prostitutes, and any sexual slaves on the island.  Again where is this reference? Please.

Would someone in government want to be seen with this element?  Frequenting these establishments?  Government seems to run these establishments.  Doubt that is the case. Take Rudy Croes history in this for example.

What has happened to government people when they've been caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar?  Do they go to jail?  Lose their jobs?  Or, do they just send the illegals home? It appears that they just pickup locals and let them serve the time on trumped up charges. The Dutch rule Aruba.

I look at all the comments/accusations that have been tossed towards Natalee Holloway and her families and I have to scratch my head.  What did Natalee ever do to anyone on Aruba to garner these negative comments and accusations?  She was the reason they got caught.

She is still disappeared.  Irregardless of her circumstances, she disappeared while in the company of J2K and hasn't been seen since.  Yes.

No fishermen report seeing her, no black couple on the beach has come forward to claim they saw her (that I am aware of), nothing so much as a flip flop has been found.  If you are studying Shango....he said they never went to the beach....they never built sandcastles.

Hope this helps answer some of your questions. 

[Mere]

GEL  I enlarged that a little this morning will go back and make it even bigger.

Wow..that is hard on the eyes!

Will retract my post about the number 5 in the sky, it is a lower case 'b'. Jaime's nickname is 'beto' and I also see the letter 'z'.

Sorry, I could not make head nor tail of the top left hand corner.

Original site of cartoon with article by Karl Penhaul

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

And, yes, that would be Nancy Grace's Karl Penhaul...lol...!

[MumInOhio]

This may be unpopular here but...if this cartoon was published 6/7/05 then all that is in the cartoon was already known.  If this guy is as good an artist as he seems...it would not take very long to draw that cartoon maybe only a few hours.  So how are we getting the idea that this was done before any of this stuff was known?  I am confused...once again. TIA

LOL...I just went back and opened the link, sorry Mere it is a pain, as I have my pop up blocker set high and go back and open links later.

Lala's is right and so was I. Kar=Penhaul and the cartoon was done on the 7th.

I wonder why he thinks it is a political cartoon?

[Magnolia]

Re the cartoon:

The hatch marks at the upper left appear to cover something...also drawn with straight lines...so it is necessary to print the cartoon and use good lighting and perhaps a magnifying glass.  I see at the very edge of the paper under the hatchmarks a larger house and then a small one room house-type figure next to it.  I always thought that referred to Joran's apartment.

I'll stop as I know that we have covered this off and on for the past 2+ years.  It has always been a mystery.  It looks like Karl may have been his source.

I never realized that was a house Mere until you just told me.  It could have been mentioned before but I could have missed it.  I also agree that it is the Van der Sloot house.  As far as it being Joran's apartment it could be or even the shed in the Sloot dump.

It is always good to go over things again because people miss stuff.

It looks like a church with a cemetery beside it to me.
I can see a steeple.