Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[Lala'sMom]

A reliable friend sent me this a few hours ago...thought you might find this interesting.  I have read it before, but what the heck...let's read it again.

OK I know most of the so called psychics are never accurate about Natalee's case.
However, look at this map of Renaissance Island:
 
http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Pictures-of-Renaissance-Aruba/Map-of-the-Renaissance-Aruba.htm
 
Note the left part of the island has 9 trees drawn on it.
 
Then read this couple's review of Renaissance Island
 
 
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/hotels/read_review.html?REVIEW_ID=288
 
<snip>
A little side note also, on the adult side (right side-with Flamingo's) off to the far right point, which you can walk out to--about 20-30 yards directly off the point is a sunken ship! Most people didn't even know this, however my wife and I ventured out and found it after reading extensive reviews all over the web. It's really cool and there are tons of fish. There's a part of the boat that is parallel with the water, and you can actually stand up on it as it's only about 2 feet under water! (this is about 30 yards out, so it looks very cool from the beach) The ship was about 100 yards or more long, and there are octopus, Morray eels etc.
 
I know it sounds crazy but what better place to hide a body than in plain view at a ship wreck? Most people are busy looking at the fish etc & not at what may be hidden inside the sunken ship. I know there are a lot of wrecks around Aruba & so would the locals.
 
 
 
 

[yapperz1]

Janet, the post I made was from a Dana Pretzer show in 2006. Jossy was talking about Natalee's case then. I do believe he had reporters who confirmed the kinship. I too think Lorenzo is a 1/2 brother to goon child & has a bigger role in Natalee's case than we know. MOO

[Observer]

Yapperz I for one remember hearing that fact from very very early in the case, before the "mis-information"  even began. I believe I see a familial resemblance between LVR PVDS and JVDS.

BB,I remember interviews in Aruba on TV with one or two locals who mentioned this crazy guy with a tricked out colored van and a spray painted house even before the security guards were arrested.

[yapperz1]

*******..I have never been able to rule Lorenzo out of the equation due to the fact that his name was mentioned very early on by Aruban people on tv as well as Aruban bloggers b4 the misinformation comittee was assembled.

[Lala'sMom]

Well, if we are  going to discuss Lorenzo then I also think we need to discuss the 5th suspect again.  I can't seem to get Colombo to respond to me in Shango so maybe I can here....I want to know if he and his buddy Eleye still think the 5th suspect is Paulus?  That was a theory they put out there one night that sent this place into a frenzy.  I still would like to discuss it.  As I said if Lorenzo is not involved how do you explain the comment about the phone call and the bus near Lorenzo's?  Does Steve Croes work for the local drug supplier?  I think supplier is a better word for Lorenzo than dealer.  He has parties and they are what local Arubans have termed raves.  So I see him as more of a player on the big stage than menial tasks such as just dealing drugs.  He lives well, so he has a source.  With those kinds of tastes his inheritance would be dwindling down to nothing soon. OK, call me crazy, but that's what I am thinking today... at this moment. 

[hotping]

A reliable friend sent me this a few hours ago...thought you might find this interesting.  I have read it before, but what the heck...let's read it again.

OK I know most of the so called psychics are never accurate about Natalee's case.
However, look at this map of Renaissance Island:
 
http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Pictures-of-Renaissance-Aruba/Map-of-the-Renaissance-Aruba.htm
 
Note the left part of the island has 9 trees drawn on it.
 
Then read this couple's review of Renaissance Island
 
 
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/hotels/read_review.html?REVIEW_ID=288
 
<snip>
A little side note also, on the adult side (right side-with Flamingo's) off to the far right point, which you can walk out to--about 20-30 yards directly off the point is a sunken ship! Most people didn't even know this, however my wife and I ventured out and found it after reading extensive reviews all over the web. It's really cool and there are tons of fish. There's a part of the boat that is parallel with the water, and you can actually stand up on it as it's only about 2 feet under water! (this is about 30 yards out, so it looks very cool from the beach) The ship was about 100 yards or more long, and there are octopus, Morray eels etc.
 
I know it sounds crazy but what better place to hide a body than in plain view at a ship wreck? Most people are busy looking at the fish etc & not at what may be hidden inside the sunken ship. I know there are a lot of wrecks around Aruba & so would the locals.
 
 
 
 

Very Interesting! I hope Someone checks it out....Are any of the suspects or Their friends scubadivers???

[klaasend]

I know that Valentijn was certified in scuba and I'm assuming Joran was as well.

[Magnolia]

I know that Valentijn was certified in scuba and I'm assuming Joran was as well.

I remember Dompig saying that one of the Kalpoes was a scuba diver.

[hotping]

A reliable friend sent me this a few hours ago...thought you might find this interesting.  I have read it before, but what the heck...let's read it again.

OK I know most of the so called psychics are never accurate about Natalee's case.
However, look at this map of Renaissance Island:
 
http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Pictures-of-Renaissance-Aruba/Map-of-the-Renaissance-Aruba.htm
 
Note the left part of the island has 9 trees drawn on it.
 
Then read this couple's review of Renaissance Island
 
 
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/hotels/read_review.html?REVIEW_ID=288
 
<snip>
A little side note also, on the adult side (right side-with Flamingo's) off to the far right point, which you can walk out to--about 20-30 yards directly off the point is a sunken ship! Most people didn't even know this, however my wife and I ventured out and found it after reading extensive reviews all over the web. It's really cool and there are tons of fish. There's a part of the boat that is parallel with the water, and you can actually stand up on it as it's only about 2 feet under water! (this is about 30 yards out, so it looks very cool from the beach) The ship was about 100 yards or more long, and there are octopus, Morray eels etc.
 
I know it sounds crazy but what better place to hide a body than in plain view at a ship wreck? Most people are busy looking at the fish etc & not at what may be hidden inside the sunken ship. I know there are a lot of wrecks around Aruba & so would the locals.
 
 
 
 

Lala's maybe it wouldn't hurt to put this in the Ocean Search thread for the Persistence Crew to see.....and also let them know that there are several people who are scuba divers....MOO

[Hotshot]

*******,  you just said this.....

ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN. TJ Ward had told us that Lorenzo had armed Colombian guards at his house when he went to talk to him.

I went to an old aruban map the other day to look for Sant Lucia, and it is out by the old "Natural Bridge".  So Thats why I don't understand the phone call. 

[klaasend]

*******,  you just said this.....

ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN. TJ Ward had told us that Lorenzo had armed Colombian guards at his house when he went to talk to him.

I went to an old aruban map the other day to look for Sant Lucia, and it is out by the old "Natural Bridge".  So Thats why I don't understand the phone call. 

Correct, Santa Lucia is where the Donkey Sanctuary is which is nearer to the original Natural Bridge.  Also on the same side of the island that the piece of fabric matching Natalee's top was picked up.

[Observer]

*******,  you just said this.....

ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN. TJ Ward had told us that Lorenzo had armed Colombian guards at his house when he went to talk to him.

I went to an old aruban map the other day to look for Sant Lucia, and it is out by the old "Natural Bridge".  So Thats why I don't understand the phone call. 

I copied that particular post because it was by the Jossy quote made by Janet. I'M not sure where that call was made or sent to,I have seen Santa Cruz and southern part of the island as well.  If the call was by the old bridge then that would be in a totally different part of the island.

[Hotshot]

*******,  you just said this.....

ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN. TJ Ward had told us that Lorenzo had armed Colombian guards at his house when he went to talk to him.

I went to an old aruban map the other day to look for Sant Lucia, and it is out by the old "Natural Bridge".  So Thats why I don't understand the phone call. 

I copied that particular post because it was by the Jossy quote made by Janet. I'M not sure where that call was made or sent to,I have seen Santa Cruz and southern part of the island as well.  If the call was by the old bridge then that would be in a totally different part of the island.

Right, thats what I mean.

[Hotshot]

I just found an awsome map but I have to piece it together to make it veiwable.  I'll be back when I get it done.  an hour or so.

[klaasend]

I just found an awsome map but I have to piece it together to make it veiwable.  I'll be back when I get it done.  an hour or so.

OK..or you can upload it as is into photobucket and just post the link.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, the post I made was from a Dana Pretzer show in 2006. Jossy was talking about Natalee's case then. I do believe he had reporters who confirmed the kinship. I too think Lorenzo is a 1/2 brother to goon child & has a bigger role in Natalee's case than we know. MOO

Yapper ... thank you for pointing out that I had the year wrong on that quote.

I believe that Jossy spoke the truth regarding Lorenzo's relationship with Paulus/Joran.  However ... I wonder if intimidation was the reason he back tracked.

Janet.

[AZSunny]

A reliable friend sent me this a few hours ago...thought you might find this interesting.  I have read it before, but what the heck...let's read it again.

OK I know most of the so called psychics are never accurate about Natalee's case.
However, look at this map of Renaissance Island:
 
http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Pictures-of-Renaissance-Aruba/Map-of-the-Renaissance-Aruba.htm
 
Note the left part of the island has 9 trees drawn on it.
 
Then read this couple's review of Renaissance Island
 
 
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/hotels/read_review.html?REVIEW_ID=288
 
<snip>
A little side note also, on the adult side (right side-with Flamingo's) off to the far right point, which you can walk out to--about 20-30 yards directly off the point is a sunken ship! Most people didn't even know this, however my wife and I ventured out and found it after reading extensive reviews all over the web. It's really cool and there are tons of fish. There's a part of the boat that is parallel with the water, and you can actually stand up on it as it's only about 2 feet under water! (this is about 30 yards out, so it looks very cool from the beach) The ship was about 100 yards or more long, and there are octopus, Morray eels etc.
 
I know it sounds crazy but what better place to hide a body than in plain view at a ship wreck? Most people are busy looking at the fish etc & not at what may be hidden inside the sunken ship. I know there are a lot of wrecks around Aruba & so would the locals.
 
 
 
 

Lala's maybe it wouldn't hurt to put this in the Ocean Search thread for the Persistence Crew to see.....and also let them know that there are several people who are scuba divers....MOO

"In plain view"

[hotping]

A reliable friend sent me this a few hours ago...thought you might find this interesting.  I have read it before, but what the heck...let's read it again.

OK I know most of the so called psychics are never accurate about Natalee's case.
However, look at this map of Renaissance Island:
 
http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Pictures-of-Renaissance-Aruba/Map-of-the-Renaissance-Aruba.htm
 
Note the left part of the island has 9 trees drawn on it.
 
Then read this couple's review of Renaissance Island
 
 
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/hotels/read_review.html?REVIEW_ID=288
 
<snip>
A little side note also, on the adult side (right side-with Flamingo's) off to the far right point, which you can walk out to--about 20-30 yards directly off the point is a sunken ship! Most people didn't even know this, however my wife and I ventured out and found it after reading extensive reviews all over the web. It's really cool and there are tons of fish. There's a part of the boat that is parallel with the water, and you can actually stand up on it as it's only about 2 feet under water! (this is about 30 yards out, so it looks very cool from the beach) The ship was about 100 yards or more long, and there are octopus, Morray eels etc.
 
I know it sounds crazy but what better place to hide a body than in plain view at a ship wreck? Most people are busy looking at the fish etc & not at what may be hidden inside the sunken ship. I know there are a lot of wrecks around Aruba & so would the locals.
 
 
 
 

Lala's maybe it wouldn't hurt to put this in the Ocean Search thread for the Persistence Crew to see.....and also let them know that there are several people who are scuba divers....MOO

"In plain view"

AZSUNNY is "In Plain View" A Quote from a Shango Clue???

[Kat_Gram]

Hello Janet... Did you see who won the Hockey ?
Oh Canada Our Home and Native Land ! !
I almost stood up and sang !
Junior Hockey is way better than regular hockey, those boys have heart ! 

[Lala'sMom]

Right Sunny...In plain view...