Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[klaasend]

Looking at Hotshot's map....it would have been so
easy to put in right there close to the Gottenbos'
house and go straight out to the deep water.
There would be no reason to go to the public
marina near the Marriott and the Raquet Club.
Isn't that sort of the area that the Persistence is
searching?

Exactly.  Yes, I believe that's one of the areas Persistence is searching.

[Hotshot]

Looking at Hotshot's map....it would have been so
easy to put in right there close to the Gottenbos'
house and go straight out to the deep water.
There would be no reason to go to the public
marina near the Marriott and the Raquet Club.
Isn't that sort of the area that the Persistence is
searching?

Yes, it is.

*******, can you email me her email?

[Observer]

Yes, it is.

*******, can you email me her email?

Ok..I will..Also on that Map we need to put a X where that VCB shirt was found

[Hotshot]

Yes, it is.

*******, can you email me her email?

Ok..I will..Also on that Map we need to put a X where that VCB shirt was found

I did, wasnt it where the matress was found?

[Kat_Gram]

I was not serious about phoning Lorenzo. It wouldn't cost that much, because he would just hang up on some goofy woman calling him from Canada, Hockey Land and asking Who is your Daddy, no, I am not with the Montel Show, I am taking a survey. Got spliff ? Mon ?   

[Lala'sMom]

Heres a good one also

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/arubaattmap1.gif

The island is so small no portion of it is out of the quesiton.  Thanks for the maps.  I hadn't seen this one.

Seeing this made me think of this...

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna
has spoken about.

[Hotshot]

X. Persistence
 
Update: 05-Jan-1610 hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside at 0500 hrs after a long night offshore. A few hours sitting still at the dock is revitalizing for a few of the beleaguered crew. Outside, the winds are unrelenting and whip the sea into angry white caps which crash onto the protective reef skirting the harbor. Even the heartiest seabirds have taken cover. The tourist submersible Atlantis II cancels its evening tour in lieu of being forced backwards by the driving currents. Inside, the Persistence is bustling with the daily chores of living on board a boat. With a whistle and a rumble, the twin Diesels comes alive without complaint. Once they’re warm, the lines are tossed and we’re off.

[Hotshot]

Heres a good one also

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/arubaattmap1.gif

The island is so small no portion of it is out of the quesiton.  Thanks for the maps.  I hadn't seen this one.

Seeing this made me think of this...

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna
has spoken about.

Lalas, thats what I have been trying to tell Kyle. 

[Magnolia]

X. Persistence
 
Update: 05-Jan-1610 hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside at 0500 hrs after a long night offshore. A few hours sitting still at the dock is revitalizing for a few of the beleaguered crew. Outside, the winds are unrelenting and whip the sea into angry white caps which crash onto the protective reef skirting the harbor. Even the heartiest seabirds have taken cover. The tourist submersible Atlantis II cancels its evening tour in lieu of being forced backwards by the driving currents. Inside, the Persistence is bustling with the daily chores of living on board a boat. With a whistle and a rumble, the twin Diesels comes alive without complaint. Once they’re warm, the lines are tossed and we’re off.

They should call Renfro to do their laundry.    
She has never quit bitching about doing laundry for TES.

[Hotshot]

[Lala'sMom]

Ty for the maps Hotshot. I saved them so I could zoom in.
What do you think in respect to Kyle's question ?
I know that you have put more time and effort into this than me.
And done the first hand research.

I have done alot of research, but everyone here really has.  What was Kyles question?

Oh BTW Lorenzo doesnt have a number,skype,messenger, nada!!!  Been there already, LOLOL

You can email dolores from RWV(I have her email)..She has Lorenzo's number  But she says he's not related or involved 

Kat:

Go Canada!! 

You don't suppose Dolores' middle name is.......oh never mind. 

[Kat_Gram]

Kyle writes like a much older person than he is.

[Observer]

Yes, it is.

*******, can you email me her email?

Ok..I will..Also on that Map we need to put a X where that VCB shirt was found

I did, wasnt it where the matress was found?

Nope,the Mattress was found at Grapefield Beach and the VCB shirt and other items were found in the colony area the next day,pretty close in location though.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Evidencefoundincolony.jpg

[Observer]

Where was the shallow grave found by TES? When I watched the news video they said it was by the national park..I am presuming that is the Arikok Park  by that Santa Lucia area?

[Hotshot]

OK, I am going to let Klaas fix that then.  I am beat, and am going to bed....
Yes Kyle does write older then what he is.  Hey *******, guess whos in town?  Flew in from denver tonight.  OK, good night all.

[Lala'sMom]

Hotshot
I found an old post the other day talking about boats leaving from certain areas were not seen on radar.  I can't seem to find it now.  I thought about Lorenzo's boat then...who's to say that he didn't loan a boat to Paulus that night or maybe even Steve Croes.  Why would you do anything that you normally do right after you found out your son had a dead girl on his hands?  I just don't think she was disposed of in a hurry...this was planned out in some way.  If Joran and Deepak just got rid of her then I could believe they dumped her out from where the Gottnebos boat was. It would be easier. I don't think Deepak was involved in her disposal.

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone know if Astrid van Rijn worked anywhere?   What did she do all day in that big house?

[Magnolia]

Hotshot
I found an old post the other day talking about boats leaving from certain areas were not seen on radar.  I can't seem to find it now.  I thought about Lorenzo's boat then...who's to say that he didn't loan a boat to Paulus that night or maybe even Steve Croes.  Why would you do anything that you normally do right after you found out your son had a dead girl on his hands?  I just don't think she was disposed of in a hurry...this was planned out in some way.  If Joran and Deepak just got rid of her then I could believe they dumped her out from where the Gottnebos boat was. It would be easier. I don't think Deepak was involved in her disposal.

I would be willing to bet that Lorenzo wouldn't lend that Cigerette to anybody,
even if Paulus was his father.  He would only run it himself. 
Plus Cigerettes are really loud. Usually 4 / 250hp engines.
I really don't believe that the radar they have picks up small boats other than
a dot on a screen, if that.

[Observer]

Does anyone know if Astrid van Rijn worked anywhere?   What did she do all day in that big house?

I was just thinking earlier why her house was searched and not Lorenzos. After Paul VR died they apparently sold the car dealership and other businesses and were living off that. All we know about Lorenzo is he grows over 100 plants of MJ at a time,rumored to be the xtasy supplier on the island and had colombian guards.

Astrid most likely has some sort of a proffession. I see there are a at least two Astrid Van Rijn's in Holland. I dont think this is her as she was living in Aruba. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/667/749

Maybee she own this store called Astrid's Goodies?

http://www.marktplaza.nl/De-dochter-des-huizes-Catherine-Cookson-3652010.php

[Silverfox]

One thing that amazes me is the attitude of the government on that "little" island.

First of all they want sovereign status...to be treated like any other "country" with same rights and privs and status...

But the population of this "country" is only 71,566. 

From this population base they feel they can thumb their nose at the U.S.

Imagine that.

Consider this:  The closest "City" in the U.S. that compares in size to Aruba is New Britain, Florida with a population of 71,538 and ranked #374.

That helps put in perspective the "size and population relevance".