Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[BTgirl]

Hi monkeys,

I have recently made a new internet acquaintance - a woman in Britain who is originally from the Netherlands. She does not follow Natalee's case, but if someone gets stuck for something they need translated from Dutch, she might be able to help. I don't want to take advantage of her good nature, but her English is impeccable, and she might be able to give us a little bit of her time. Please let me know if anyone needs me to contact her about a possible translation. Thanks.

[Peaches]

i was born with a fire in my belly and i cant put it out


 


 

Didn't Johnny Cash write a song about that?

Nope, George Strait....http://music.yahoo.com/track/4547814

"A Fire I Can't Put Out"

[private eye]

Our household has always felt that the underworld has a stronghold on Aruba.  IBE's reposting of Rob's theory on Korea and money laundering doesn't change that thought. 

Last night, many, like ourselves may have watched 60 Minutes to see what Clemens had to say to Mike Wallace.  As an extra bonus, I found the segment with John Martorano more interesting because it made me think of this case and Joran, Paulus and others knowing things but chosing not to state anything.  The segment with Martorano, page 3, in the following link, shows the mentality with regard to informants/rats....if you didn't see it, there is a video,or you can read the transcript.  The code of silence....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/03/60minutes/main3672273.shtml

Aruba has the laws to allow her to jail indefinitely witness who refuse to talk, according to Amnest International in their files concerning the law of the Netherlands Antilles and how to incorporate that law in following the terms of their treaty.

Yes, true...the key word though is 'witness'.  Suspects can lie their azz off or say zip....& Paulus chose the option not to give any info regarding his sporter, iirc.

But now they are now suspects. So they could be treated as witness to crimes committed by the other

I wouldn't put any money on this happening...jmo...

I agree, but if they were interested they do have the means to gain more information. IF is the keyword:)

[Dayhiker]

Good observation *******. Where was Judge Bob Wit in December 2005 when Dompig announced (after six months of  keeping it a secret) that the judge denied a full search of the premises? Why is he speaking out now, because the case is closed?

Somebody is lying. Dompig and Jannsen either lied to the international media or Judge Wit is lying his ass off to try to cover his tail.

Does this prove the cover-up or what??????

Dayhiker ... you bet it does!  It was a coverup to protect Joran and Paulus from the getgo.

There was no comparision in regard to the apprehension of the security guards and ... the search of their respective homes.  Also ... FBI were involved and ... no judge was present ... only Karin Janssen ... the prosecutor.
 
Janet

+++++++++++++

Let's also not forget BEN VOCKING, A DUTCH OFFICIAL WHO WORKED FOR THE PROSECUTOR, was also at the house WITH JUDGE WIT.

Now Judge Wit is pointing the finger at Dompig? Why not point it at KARIN JANNSEN AND BEN VOCKING? They are the ones to make out the search warrants!

[MumInOhio]

Guido and the Wever kids are 2 witnesses who could be held until they talk. Guido is certainly intimately acquainted with Joran being his child hood friend and having been with Joran the next day after her disappearance.

Instead Aruba plays the part of the ignorant chump, what can we do? We know but can't? BS

Hi...PI....do you mean the Santos boys or are there more Wevers than we know about?

[Dayhiker]

But now they are now suspects. So they could be treated as witness to crimes committed by the other

I wouldn't put any money on this happening...jmo...

I wouldn't put my money on the Dutch doing anything. There is no reason to believe they have any morals, ethics, or values nor a system that is worth 2 cents when it comes to providing justice for innocent victims.

[private eye]

Guido and the Wever kids are 2 witnesses who could be held until they talk. Guido is certainly intimately acquainted with Joran being his child hood friend and having been with Joran the next day after her disappearance.

Instead Aruba plays the part of the ignorant chump, what can we do? We know but can't? BS

Hi...PI....do you mean the Santos boys or are there more Wevers than we know about?

OOOOOOOOOps, I couldn't remember Guido's last name but it IS Wever isn't it?? Sorry but they are one and the same:)))))))))

[private eye]

Hi monkeys,

I have recently made a new internet acquaintance - a woman in Britain who is originally from the Netherlands. She does not follow Natalee's case, but if someone gets stuck for something they need translated from Dutch, she might be able to help. I don't want to take advantage of her good nature, but her English is impeccable, and she might be able to give us a little bit of her time. Please let me know if anyone needs me to contact her about a possible translation. Thanks.

She can have a full time job here:))))

[Dayhiker]

Guido and the Wever kids are 2 witnesses who could be held until they talk. Guido is certainly intimately acquainted with Joran being his child hood friend and having been with Joran the next day after her disappearance.

Instead Aruba plays the part of the ignorant chump, what can we do? We know but can't? BS

Then why haven't they done it by now? Would that have not made a better case for the prosecution before Mos went to Aruba?

You have more faith in Mos than I do PI,  . I just can't buy into anything he has done after the feeble dog and pony show he put on last November/December. Nine months and 5-10 million dollars spent and he goes to Aruba with a few new communication snippets?

[BTgirl]

Hi monkeys,

I have recently made a new internet acquaintance - a woman in Britain who is originally from the Netherlands. She does not follow Natalee's case, but if someone gets stuck for something they need translated from Dutch, she might be able to help. I don't want to take advantage of her good nature, but her English is impeccable, and she might be able to give us a little bit of her time. Please let me know if anyone needs me to contact her about a possible translation. Thanks.

She can have a full time job here:))))

Do you want to know the funny part? She told me she doesn't like the Netherlands and thinks most Dutch people are really rude. 

[Lala'sMom]

Was Guido not a suspect as opposed to a witness?  That allows his high priced attorney to lie all he wants and get away with it.  If anyone remembers, Jossy said Dos Santos should be questioned more....didn't happen...never made the connection.

[MumInOhio]

Was Guido not a suspect as opposed to a witness?  That allows his high priced attorney to lie all he wants and get away with it.  If anyone remembers, Jossy said Dos Santos should be questioned more....didn't happen...never made the connection.

Lala's...something on your earlier in the week!


Does anyone know what company Natalee went on that boat thing with? TIA

[Tamikosmom]

If it was Wit, then a complaint should be filed with the Carribean Court that Wit violated the ethics of his position by creating the perception of preferential treatment to a person who worked with him for years in the legal system of Aruba in the execution of the search warrant. The delay and the limiting of search.

CARIBBEAN COURT OF JUSTICE - CODE OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT
http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/codeofethics.html

I.  PROPRIETY

1.3 A judge shall avoid close personal association with individual members of the legal profession, particularly those who practice in the judge’s court, where such association might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of favouritism or partiality.

1.4 A judge shall avoid the use of the judge’s residence by a member of the legal profession to receive clients or other members of the legal profession in circumstances that might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of impropriety on the part of the judge.

1.9 A judge shall not allow the judge’s family, social or other relationships improperly to influence the judge’s judicial conduct and judgment as a judge.

1.10 A judge shall not use or lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge, a member of the judge’s family or of anyone else, nor shall a judge permit others to convey the impression that anyone is in a special position improperly to influence the judge in the performance of judicial duties.

[Lala'sMom]

Hi monkeys,

I have recently made a new internet acquaintance - a woman in Britain who is originally from the Netherlands. She does not follow Natalee's case, but if someone gets stuck for something they need translated from Dutch, she might be able to help. I don't want to take advantage of her good nature, but her English is impeccable, and she might be able to give us a little bit of her time. Please let me know if anyone needs me to contact her about a possible translation. Thanks.

She can have a full time job here:))))

Do you want to know the funny part? She told me she doesn't like the Netherlands and thinks most Dutch people are really rude. 

O/T !!!!

Hi BT, love the cow.  He needs a little valentine heart on him to make him sweet. 

[Lala'sMom]

Was Guido not a suspect as opposed to a witness?  That allows his high priced attorney to lie all he wants and get away with it.  If anyone remembers, Jossy said Dos Santos should be questioned more....didn't happen...never made the connection.

Lala's...something on your earlier in the week!


Does anyone know what company Natalee went on that boat thing with? TIA

What boat thing?  I thought they didn't do the scuba diving thing?  Maybe I have it wrong.

[MumInOhio]

From December 26th.....MY post Notice E.A.B.

Anyone know anything about this guy or his interests? Someone this morning was interested and ended up on the front page. Search said +btnG?
ERIC ANTHONY BRETE
SANEWORLD1@SETARNET.AW
22 Dec 1997
04:09:21


From WAVE DANCER charters and ARUBA PRO DIVE If you want to have a great time,diving or sailing and snorkling. Great W.P, keep up the good work we here in aruba need it.

THANK YOU

E.A.BRETE

This from the front page:
Members of the Strategic Communications Task Force

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)


Thanks!




http://www.arubawavedancer.com/


Lala's...I just read it somewhere...It was on the Saturday, I think. Will go and find it.

[MumInOhio]

Whatley's 302 .... can't copy, sorry!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=831.0

[Pita]

Additional members of the Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:

Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

[Peaches]

Guido and the Wever kids are 2 witnesses who could be held until they talk. Guido is certainly intimately acquainted with Joran being his child hood friend and having been with Joran the next day after her disappearance.

Instead Aruba plays the part of the ignorant chump, what can we do? We know but can't? BS

Hi...PI....do you mean the Santos boys or are there more Wevers than we know about?

Actually, I think he means the Gottenboss boys....Sander and Koen.

[MumInOhio]

Guido and the Wever kids are 2 witnesses who could be held until they talk. Guido is certainly intimately acquainted with Joran being his child hood friend and having been with Joran the next day after her disappearance.

Instead Aruba plays the part of the ignorant chump, what can we do? We know but can't? BS

Hi...PI....do you mean the Santos boys or are there more Wevers than we know about?

Actually, I think he means the Gottenboss boys....Sander and Koen.

I thought that after I posted, too, Peaches.

Pita...what do we know about this guy, anything?