Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[private eye]

AN INVESTIGATION THAT COSTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
The investigation has costs millions of dollars, the investigation here with the usage of technologies cellphone conversations and the so called chats, if not for the famous F16's which searched for the possible burial place and the intervention of the Dutch Forensic Institute, Hans Mos says he did not do a calculation of the exact amount, but without including the salaries the investigation of Natalee Holloway costs somewhere between 5 and 10 million dollars.
And this is a dilemma, because although to have been invited to enforce a place in the investigation, you are left with no solution.
"But you have to ask how much is the life of a person worth".

I would guess you're about to find out.

Goodnight monkeys.

10 million dollars is just a drop in the bucket to what Aruba has lost in tourism dollars.

What is your reputation and economy worth in dollars, Aruba?

What is your reputation for integrity, or lack thereof, worth, Holland?

10 million dollars is cheap. It is very clear they haven't spent enough yet.

As that other site would be quick to point out, I wish they would please furnish us a detailed cost accounting of their claim. And I would like to point out that it is Aruba's authority, as they have plainly made obvious to the FBI and Beth, to investigate the crime alone, and it was within Aruba's borders that the crime was committed thus their expense to fix, and it is Aruba that advertises itself to the world as the "happy Little Island" that is soooooooo safe in an effort to attract our tourists dollars.

My point is, why are they telling us this? Do they want me to tell them all about MY BILLS, since they would be just as responsible for them as I am for theirs. Do they want to reimburse Dave and Beth and TEQS and Entourage for all of their cost? It is claims like this that illustrate the immaturity of their nation, the callousness of their government, and the ill spirited down right meanness of their citizens. Right, this is another example of just how much they want our tourist business and how important our safety is to them. As a people and a nation, a tourist life is insignificant to them. They have the laws in place, the procedure to handle conflicts of interest, the means to force people to testify, but instead they cloak their actions in secrecy, treat us as if we are complete idiots, and when they find out otherwise, they blatantly flip us the bird and tell us to fock off!!!!!!! Even their judges ignore their own professional code of ethics to finish their "clean up squads" work.

[private eye]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

[Dayhiker]

10 million dollars is just a drop in the bucket to what Aruba has lost in tourism dollars.

What is your reputation and economy worth in dollars, Aruba?

What is your reputation for integrity, or lack thereof, worth, Holland?

10 million dollars is cheap. It is very clear they haven't spent enough yet.

As that other site would be quick to point out, I wish they would please furnish us a detailed cost accounting of their claim. And I would like to point out that it is Aruba's authority, as they have plainly made obvious to the FBI and Beth, to investigate the crime alone, and it was within Aruba's borders that the crime was committed thus their expense to fix, and it is Aruba that advertises itself to the world as the "happy Little Island" that is soooooooo safe in an effort to attract our tourists dollars.

My point is, why are they telling us this? Do they want me to tell them all about MY BILLS, since they would be just as responsible for them as I am for theirs. Do they want to reimburse Dave and Beth and TEQS and Entourage for all of their cost? It is claims like this that illustrate the immaturity of their nation, the callousness of their government, and the ill spirited down right meanness of their citizens. Right, this is another example of just how much they want our tourist business and how important our safety is to them. As a people and a nation, a tourist life is insignificant to them. They have the laws in place, the procedure to handle conflicts of interest, the means to force people to testify, but instead they cloak their actions in secrecy, treat us as if we are complete idiots, and when they find out otherwise, they blatantly flip us the bird and tell us to fock off!!!!!!! Even their judges ignore their own professional code of ethics to finish their "clean up squads" work.

 

Never once have they apologized to the family of Natalee for all the hurt and pain they have caused. Aruba chose to fight her mother and father tooth and nail from the get-go. AHATA and ATA have tried everything they could to bash Natalee and point the investigation away from the perpetrators. Aruba sent out protesters to bash the family. Aruba chose cover-up over justice and are still riding it today.

Screw that whole entire island. Aruba deserves to have their asses shut down.

[Observer]

POSTED: 8:02 am EDT June 5, 2005
UPDATED: 10:16 pm EDT June 5, 2005

SAN NICOLAS, Aruba -- At least 70 people attended a prayer vigil Sunday night in Aruba for missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

One speaker at the 10-minute ceremony said the so-far unsuccessful search for Holloway is a trying time "for the world as a whole."

Holloway had been visiting the island last week with classmates to celebrate their high school graduation when she disappeared.

A reward of $50,00 is being offered for information leading to her rescue.

Police in Aruba said Sunday that a blood-soaked mattress found on a beach in eastern Aruba over the weekend was not related to the missing girl.

The two men being detained are security guards at the Allegra Hotel, which is near where Holloway was staying, Birmingham television station WVTM reported.

Aruba Attorney General Carin Jansen told reporters gathered at a press conference Sunday that while the arrest of two men was related to the case due to unspecified "tips," she declined to provide further details.

She would not say whether there was a connection between those two men and three others who had previously been questioned in connection with the Mountain Brook teen's disappearance.

Jansen answered most questions from reporters with a terse, "That is part of the investigation, and I can't discuss it."

Several additional details on the search for Holliway did come out during the press conference.

Jansen confirmed that law enforcement officials in Aruba had asked for help from an FBI diving team. She also told reporters that while police had not confiscated clothing or other items that would directly link the two arrested men to Holloway, they had seized other "items of interest to the case."

She also said that the two men arrested were considered "solid leads" in the case.

As for how long the investigation would continue, Jansen said that it would continue "as long as needed. It could be two weeks...three weeks. However long it takes for us to complete the picture."

Following a tip, police also searched the Allegra on Saturday. No sign of Holloway was found during the search, but a further investigation led to the arrest of the two men.

It is not yet clear what charges are being brought against the pair.

Holloway was on a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and several chaperones from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham. Holloway was last seen early May 30.

She did not show up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/4570524/detail.html

[Helen Back]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Keep going PI, You're on a ROLL!

We could have gladly shared some of their "expense" and billed it through our FBI.  I believe they offered to help.  Seems to me that since they excluded any offers of assistance from the FBI and other investigative agencies, they should stop WHINING about the cost.

ARUBA, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Dayhiker]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Aruba has easily lost a half a billion dollars in tourism dollars over the last 30 months. You can't put a price tag on the damage to their image. For what, to protect a handful of their favored Dutchies? To keep the island's dirty date rape drugging a secret? To keep everyone from seeing their huge drug and money laundering operations run by the Mafia casinos? 

[Observer]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Aruba has easily lost a half a billion dollars in tourism dollars over the last 30 months. You can't put a price tag on the damage to their image. For what, to protect a handful of their favored Dutchies? To keep the island's dirty date rape drugging a secret? To keep everyone from seeing their huge drug and money laundering operations run by the Mafia casinos? 

I'M sure they added all that in there costs when they sued Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars. 

[Helen Back]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Aruba has easily lost a half a billion dollars in tourism dollars over the last 30 months. You can't put a price tag on the damage to their image. For what, to protect a handful of their favored Dutchies? To keep the island's dirty date rape drugging a secret? To keep everyone from seeing their huge drug and money laundering operations run by the Mafia casinos? 

Yep.  and in spite of their best efforts at a cover up, it's all coming out anyway.  Bad Strategy!

LOSS, LOSS, and more LOSS. 

[wreck]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Aruba has easily lost a half a billion dollars in tourism dollars over the last 30 months. You can't put a price tag on the damage to their image. For what, to protect a handful of their favored Dutchies? To keep the island's dirty date rape drugging a secret? To keep everyone from seeing their huge drug and money laundering operations run by the Mafia casinos? 

Yep.  and in spite of their best efforts at a cover up, it's all coming out anyway.  Bad Strategy!

LOSS, LOSS, and more LOSS. 

I don't know if it is mere stupidity or shear corruptness that Aruba has taken the angle that if the case is "closed" -- they "win." (It is BOTH -- I surmize)

[NM]

I happened upon this list of expenses written on a torn up frosted flake box.

ALE Expenses
Purchase of gottenbos house
Purchase of gottenbos insurance company
Purchase of gottenbos seamstress business
Purchase of gottenbos boat
Purchase of gottenbos bus
Relocation cost for gottenbos family to US
Air fare, one way to nl-, guido
Air fare one way Mx- relocate C&C staff/witnesses
Air fare one way Australia (?) - relocate teacher
Air fares round trip to nl- many trips by various vdsluts, Jansen, dumpig
Air fare round trip Barbados-dumpig
Air fare round trip Birmingham-dumpig
Air fare round trip Phila, meet with Franny Rizzo a phila counsilman and police-dompig
Metal institution fees to hid witness
ahata
Frosted flakes-lots, keep 'em coming
Murder- Rene H.
Murder- Ruth D
Charles Croes' cell phone bussiness to monitor Natalee's family members and anyone    wanting to help Natalee
F-16's (three)
Salaries of many aruban blog posters
Spending money for jurin
Re-writing of police statements
Purchase 1 car -guido
Purchase 1 car-deepak
Destruction 1 car-deepak
Puchase 1 car-replace deepak's
Destruction of evidence-huge amounts
White epoxy paint to cover-up DNA on rocks
Salary for staff to paint rocks and removal of evidence
Payment to retract confession-June 11
Purchase Cyberzone café-keep ramirez-kalpoo family happy
Lawyer fees-(jurin-16, dk-4, sk-2, freddy-2, pvds-?)
U.S. Lawyer fees

[Helen Back]

And their is the cost of WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO SOLVE THE CASE, MINI,AL VS THE HUGE EXPENSE INVOLVED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COVER UP/INCOMPETENCE.

I just can't believe what comes out of their mouths:))))))))

Aruba has easily lost a half a billion dollars in tourism dollars over the last 30 months. You can't put a price tag on the damage to their image. For what, to protect a handful of their favored Dutchies? To keep the island's dirty date rape drugging a secret? To keep everyone from seeing their huge drug and money laundering operations run by the Mafia casinos? 

Yep.  and in spite of their best efforts at a cover up, it's all coming out anyway.  Bad Strategy!

LOSS, LOSS, and more LOSS. 

I don't know if it is mere stupidity or shear corruptness that Aruba has taken the angle that if the case is "closed" -- they "win." (It is BOTH -- I surmize)

It's hard to believe that the PTB in Aruba do not understand how important it is for them to bring resolution to this case.  Closing it brings not only non-resolution, but the end of hope of resolution.

The only thing keeping this from becoming so much worse for Aruba, was our HOPE that they would bring resolution.  Without that HOPE, I'm feel they have just unleashed a TSUNAMI of bad PR, and continued economic woe.  They have successfully destroyed the brand called "ARUBA". 

[MumInOhio]

I happened upon this list of expenses written on a torn up frosted flake box.

ALE Expenses
Purchase of gottenbos house
Purchase of gottenbos insurance company
Purchase of gottenbos seamstress business
Purchase of gottenbos boat
Purchase of gottenbos bus
Relocation cost for gottenbos family to US
Air fare, one way to nl-, guido
Air fare one way Mx- relocate C&C staff/witnesses
Air fare one way Australia (?) - relocate teacher
Air fares round trip to nl- many trips by various vdsluts, Jansen, dumpig
Air fare round trip Barbados-dumpig
Air fare round trip Birmingham-dumpig
Air fare round trip Phila, meet with Franny Rizzo a phila counsilman and police-dompig
Metal institution fees to hid witness
ahata
Frosted flakes-lots, keep 'em coming
Murder- Rene H.
Murder- Ruth D
Charles Croes' cell phone bussiness to monitor Natalee's family members and anyone    wanting to help Natalee
F-16's (three)
Salaries of many aruban blog posters
Spending money for jurin
Re-writing of police statements
Purchase 1 car -guido
Purchase 1 car-deepak
Destruction 1 car-deepak
Puchase 1 car-replace deepak's
Destruction of evidence-huge amounts
White epoxy paint to cover-up DNA on rocks
Salary for staff to paint rocks and removal of evidence
Payment to retract confession-June 11
Purchase Cyberzone café-keep ramirez-kalpoo family happy
Lawyer fees-(jurin-16, dk-4, sk-2, freddy-2, pvds-?)
U.S. Lawyer fees

 We could take up an entire thread if we listed them all.

[NM]

Mum,
We might even need a separate blog.
Notice there are no expenses to search for Natalee nor to solve the case!

[klaasend]

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html

Update:
04-Jan-1557 hrs
The skies are clear and the winds are strong and steady. Wind 25kts gusting 30+. Seas 5-6ft, with the occasional 10ft+ swell. The seas are too rough to run sonar into the seas, so we shift to a different grid with lines running perpendicular to the dominant swells. Working in side-seas produces somewhat cleaner data, but takes a heavy toll on the crew rolling and heaving about inside the boat.

[klaasend]

Working and lurking again today 

[Observer]

Dr. Andrew Hodges - Where is Natalee Holloway?

Youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=forensicthoughtprint

[Observer]

Short interview with Anita after her husband is arrested. She tells the Interviewer Joran was warning them that PVDS would be picked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJlpM_JCwks

[oceanexploration]

Yes, working and lurking.  It's rough as hell out here.  We're forced to dead-dead into the seas north and run our lines southward downseas.  We'll keep this up for a while and see how goes. 

[oceanexploration]

correction for a typo... that would be "dead-head", not "dead-dead". Is there a way to correct a reply once it's posted?

[Observer]

correction for a typo... that would be "dead-head", not "dead-dead". Is there a way to correct a reply once it's posted?

No,unfortunately not  Hang in there Kyle!! Hopefully the seas calm down