Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[JusticeforNatalee]

Here' s the text for the Bulletin link:

Question:?I'm thinking of a vacation on the island of Aruba. Should all the bad publicity from that recent murder case deter me?

Answer:?I'll tell you what might deter you. National Geographic Traveler recently rated the world's islands. It gave Aruba a low rating as one of the "Islands in Trouble: Under severe pressure, excessive tourism; many working to recover." The top-rated island is the Faroe Islands (Denmark); Aruba was rated No. 35. "A vacation factory with fabulous beaches," Aruba is "overbuilt, gaudy, fast losing its culture." "Cruise ships have resulted in a tacky downtown." A minority of reviewers calls Aruba "dynamic, interesting." You might want to read the whole review of islands in the November/December 2007 edition of National Geographic Traveler.

[klaasend]

Klaas
I am sorry but would lead me to the location of all the 302's given in this case to the FBI?  Are they all listed in the Important Case Documents thread or just a few?  I have seen them before, but I can't remember if I was here or at BFN. TIA

The ones we have are in the Important Case Document area.

Edited to add:  We may only have Whatleys.  You can go to BFN to read them all.

[Hotshot]

I wonder if this is what Rudy is whining about:

Scroll down (bottom of page) and there is a blurb that repeats
the poor rating info in NG Traveler:

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=19174991&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6

 

you mean this?

Question:?I'm thinking of a vacation on the island of Aruba. Should all the bad publicity from that recent murder case deter me?

Answer:?I'll tell you what might deter you. National Geographic Traveler recently rated the world's islands. It gave Aruba a low rating as one of the "Islands in Trouble: Under severe pressure, excessive tourism; many working to recover." The top-rated island is the Faroe Islands (Denmark); Aruba was rated No. 35. "A vacation factory with fabulous beaches," Aruba is "overbuilt, gaudy, fast losing its culture." "Cruise ships have resulted in a tacky downtown." A minority of reviewers calls Aruba "dynamic, interesting." You might want to read the whole review of islands in the November/December 2007 edition of National Geographic Traveler

 

[Sam]

Klaas ,
can you please post the photo of the drawing we all thought looked like Jerry Strawberry?  Thanks
Sam

FYI - most of these photos are in the Aruban Who's Who thread in the Important Case Document area, including this one:

Klaas,
Thank you so much . I tried looking there and did not find this one.

Maybe I am crazy but thought he sort of resembled the Jeff  who is the first mate on the Octopus. Except for the glasses.

[klaasend]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

[Sam]

I guess I should have added the link so folks could compare.

http://www.octopusaruba.com/index.html

JMHO

[Sam]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

Klaas ,I though i had seen it verified very early in the case but do not know where And No I do not have proof.  I did look through some of the archives of RWV yesterday and saw it mentioned but NO no proof.

[klaasend]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

Klaas ,I though i had seen it verified very early in the case but do not know where And No I do not have proof.  I did look through some of the archives of RWV yesterday and saw it mentioned but NO no proof.

I've never seen any proof that they were on the Octopus.  Red Sail Aruba has snorkeling excursions too:

http://www.aruba-redsail.com/snorkeling.shtml

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas
I am sorry but would lead me to the location of all the 302's given in this case to the FBI?  Are they all listed in the Important Case Documents thread or just a few?  I have seen them before, but I can't remember if I was here or at BFN. TIA

The ones we have are in the Important Case Document area.

Edited to add:  We may only have Whatleys.  You can go to BFN to read them all.

Sorry, again...I really am..do you have any idea where at BFN they are located?  I am completely lost over there. 

[klaasend]

Klaas
I am sorry but would lead me to the location of all the 302's given in this case to the FBI?  Are they all listed in the Important Case Documents thread or just a few?  I have seen them before, but I can't remember if I was here or at BFN. TIA

The ones we have are in the Important Case Document area.

Edited to add:  We may only have Whatleys.  You can go to BFN to read them all.

Sorry, again...I really am..do you have any idea where at BFN they are located?  I am completely lost over there. 

Legal Documents - page 2 & 3 - Affidavits:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?board=18.20

[msmarple]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

Klaas ,I though i had seen it verified very early in the case but do not know where And No I do not have proof.  I did look through some of the archives of RWV yesterday and saw it mentioned but NO no proof.

I've never seen any proof that they were on the Octopus.  Red Sail Aruba has snorkeling excursions too:

http://www.aruba-redsail.com/snorkeling.shtml

IIRC, whether Natalee went on the snorkeling trip (or whatever type adventure) was one of the questions asked at that October 2006 meeting, attended by Beth, Dave and Robin, and other family members.

Unfortunately I don't recall the answer, and don't know whether we have a thread re. that Q/A session.

[Observer]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

Klaas ,I though i had seen it verified very early in the case but do not know where And No I do not have proof.  I did look through some of the archives of RWV yesterday and saw it mentioned but NO no proof.

The Rumor at RWV was that the boat vanished. But we heard the same thing about Posner and the Manager at the HI in June 2005.



Octopus Sailing Charters - Aruba
LesMes -

Captain Jethro Gesterkamp and his First Mate Jeff have been initiating delighted visitors to snorkeling and the relaxation of multi-hull sailing for over 25 years, the last 18 with Jethro's 40 ft trimaran sailboat, The Octopus. ... sailing a charterboat in Aruba can surpass Jethro's record. Conveniently located on the beach between the Holiday Inn and the Playa Linda Beach Resort, The Octopus ...www.octopus-aruba.com/index.html

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas
I am sorry but would lead me to the location of all the 302's given in this case to the FBI?  Are they all listed in the Important Case Documents thread or just a few?  I have seen them before, but I can't remember if I was here or at BFN. TIA

The ones we have are in the Important Case Document area.

Edited to add:  We may only have Whatleys.  You can go to BFN to read them all.

Sorry, again...I really am..do you have any idea where at BFN they are located?  I am completely lost over there. 

Legal Documents - page 2 & 3 - Affidavits:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?board=18.20

Thank you...again I am sorry to bother you.

[Lala'sMom]

Again...I need help from some monkey...what time did it say that Natalee entered the casino?  What time did Joran come in?  What time was Paulus sitting at the table next to Natalee...I know...it isn't proven that it's him...just humor me. TIA

[klaasend]

Again...I need help from some monkey...what time did it say that Natalee entered the casino?  What time did Joran come in?  What time was Paulus sitting at the table next to Natalee...I know...it isn't proven that it's him...just humor me. TIA

Here's the casino video, you can check the times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc

[Magnolia]

Klaas ,
can you please post the photo of the drawing we all thought looked like Jerry Strawberry?  Thanks
Sam

FYI - most of these photos are in the Aruban Who's Who thread in the Important Case Document area, including this one:

Klaas,
Thank you so much . I tried looking there and did not find this one.

Maybe I am crazy but thought he sort of resembled the Jeff  who is the first mate on the Octopus. Except for the glasses.

I thought the same when I saw the photo of the 1st mate.

[Observer]

Again...I need help from some monkey...what time did it say that Natalee entered the casino?  What time did Joran come in?  What time was Paulus sitting at the table next to Natalee...I know...it isn't proven that it's him...just humor me. TIA

The timestamp is exactly 8:14 PM when the video was made of Jorna,PVDS and Natalee at the BJ table

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...back on the last thread...page 43...#844...there is a post I found on the front page about the time stamps being changed.  Gaps in the timeline.

[Pita]

I have not seen it verified that the MB kids even went on the Octopus, have you?

Klaas ,I though i had seen it verified very early in the case but do not know where And No I do not have proof.  I did look through some of the archives of RWV yesterday and saw it mentioned but NO no proof.

I've never seen any proof that they were on the Octopus.  Red Sail Aruba has snorkeling excursions too:

http://www.aruba-redsail.com/snorkeling.shtml

IIRC, whether Natalee went on the snorkeling trip (or whatever type adventure) was one of the questions asked at that October 2006 meeting, attended by Beth, Dave and Robin, and other family members.

Unfortunately I don't recall the answer, and don't know whether we have a thread re. that Q/A session.

According to Whatley's 302, Natalee did go on the snorkeling trip, but the only persons on the trip besides MB kids and two chaperones were the boat's two crew members. 

No mention of what tour service was used.

[Nut44x4]

Wel, well, well.I see she has crawled out from under her rock 

Glenda Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:01 pm
I can assure you that this case is NOT closed! The first to whine about the case being closed was the Twittys! JMO, they've done everything possible to get it closed starting in June 2005!