Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[Magnolia]

Yes, working and lurking.  It's rough as hell out here.  We're forced to dead-dead into the seas north and run our lines southward downseas.  We'll keep this up for a while and see how goes. 

Hope you don't get sea sick.  How long are they predicting
the rough weather to last?

[oceanexploration]

How long will the bad weather last?  Until spring.  It's seasonal.  Relatively calm in the summer, perpetually rough in the winter. We've been fortunate this far.

[Magnolia]

I just looked up Marine Conditions in Aruba.
They are expecting the high winds and seas for the
next five days.
Winds to 35 mph and 7 foot waves.

[Observer]

How long will the bad weather last?  Until spring.  It's seasonal.  Relatively calm in the summer, perpetually rough in the winter. We've been fortunate this far.

If there is anything we can do,please don't hesitate to ask. I know you all have planned this for a very long time so I presume most everything is researched. Even so,we are here to help!

[Magnolia]

Wear your sunscreen!  Those high winds will age you
and you will look like Julia Renfro.

[texasmom]

Yes, working and lurking.  It's rough as hell out here.  We're forced to dead-dead into the seas north and run our lines southward downseas.  We'll keep this up for a while and see how goes. 

Hope the seas calm for you soon, Kyle.  You guys are great, keep up the good work!

PERSISTENCE = HOPE

[oceanexploration]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

[oceanexploration]

I forgot to mention.. please include those discussions in the Ocean Search thread so I don't have to sort through pages of Case Discussion.  ~Thanks.

Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est

[Observer]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

We can do that Kyle,As you know there are several theories out there,but the first one that comes to mind was that of Natalee's Freebirds..What do you guys think? It's tough task as information about whereabouts and timeliines is sketchy,but lets see what we can come up with.

[klaasend]

Wear your sunscreen!  Those high winds will age you
and you will look like Julia Renfro.

 

[Peaches]

I think the Freebirds have certainly thought it all out.  I'm impressed.

[klaasend]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

We can do that Kyle,As you know there are several theories out there,but the first one that comes to mind was that of Natalee's Freebirds..What do you guys think?

******* - I'm going to let you take charge of this.  I'm working and can't do it right now.  Natalee's Freebirds have the best info if they have what Kyle's looking for.

[Kermit]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

KYLE THIS WEBSITE HAS A GOOD EXPLAINATION OF WHAT TOOK PLACE AND WHEN AND HOW


IN THE FACE OF EVIL


What was going on between 7:00 pm and 8:30 pm?

We believe this is when Paulus and Joran took Miss Holloway's remains out to sea on the Gottenbos boat. Here Joran sets himself up to be highly visible that night after 8:00 pm .


Part 3 detailed the most likely movements of Paulus van der Sloot during this time, and here now are Joran's activities for this timeframe.

JORAN SAYS TENNIS LESSON ENDED AT 7:00, HE SHOWERED AND THEN CALLED ANDRE ANDRE AGREES TO MEET HIM AT 8:00 AT THE WYNDHAM

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. Then I called "Andre". We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker.
JVDS 6-14

JORAN SAYS HE ALSO CALLS GUIDO AND ASKS HIM TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM GUIDO DECLINES SAYING HE HAS TO WORK, BUT MIGHT COME LATER

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time
JVDS 6-14

According to Paulus, this conversation took place in person, not over the phone. What then was the true nature of this phone call from Joran to Paulus at around 7:00 pm?

Giving confirmation that the boat was at the launch and ready to go?

JORAN SAYS HE THEN CALLED PAULUS TO ASK PERMISSION TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.
JVDS 6-14

Then we have Joran claiming to have been bouncing from one casino to the next for the hour of 7:00 - 8:00 pm



http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005_19.html

[Observer]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

We can do that Kyle,As you know there are several theories out there,but the first one that comes to mind was that of Natalee's Freebirds..What do you guys think?

******* - I'm going to let you take charge of this.  I'm working and can't do it right now.  Natalee's Freebirds have the best info if they have what Kyle's looking for.

Will do..Very tough task,but I know there are a lot of great researchers here who can help. I'll post the Freebirds theory on the other thread.

[Magnolia]

Actually, it would be great if the Monkeys et al., could come up with a verifiable timeline for the alleged disposal.  ie: -How long were they gone, how is this known (w/sources) min/max.  Then we can do a little comparison.  That might be a good excercise if interested.

We can do that Kyle,As you know there are several theories out there,but the first one that comes to mind was that of Natalee's Freebirds..What do you guys think?

******* - I'm going to let you take charge of this.  I'm working and can't do it right now.  Natalee's Freebirds have the best info if they have what Kyle's looking for.

Will do..Very tough task,but I know there are a lot of great researchers here who can help. I'll post the Freebirds theory on the other thread.

The most sensible scenerio that I have seen was the Freebirds theory
that they took Koen's Sea Pro boat out from the public marina near
the Marriott on the evening of May 31st prior to 8:00PM

[Observer]

Thx guys and I agree,Hard to come up with facts and timelines about a sea disposal but the Freebird Theory comes to mind first. If anyone can find anything please post it!!

If you are reading this blog and may know something now is the time to relieve your conscious. You can post your thoughts/info on the Front Page and be totally anonymous. Koen and Sander,this is never going to end until Natalee is found!

I see Kermit already did it..Thanks!

[Magnolia]

What time was the "ping" from the cell phone that night from
out in the water?
Where's Janet? 

[Buckeye]

From Jane at BFN

01/03/2008 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding. Motion to Dismiss (Motion for Stay of Order; Motion for Substitution of Personal Representative for Deceased Deft.; Case Management Conference; OSC RE: Plaintiffs' Failure to Appear on 12-7-07) - Not Held-Continued

Future Hearings:

02/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
(1) Motion Pro Hac Vice (Introduction of new Plaintiff Attorney)
(2) Motion to Dismiss (by Defense)
(3) Motion for Substitution of of Personal Representative for Deceased Defendant (replace Skeeters estate for Skeeters)
(4) Motion for Stay of Orders (Plaintiffs attempting to reverse Order to Compel)
(5) Case Management Conference
(6) OSC RE Failure to Appear on 12/7/07

02/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012. Motion to Compel ((2))

[Observer]

Kyle,

That Freebirds theory is the only thing I see at the moment. Because we aren't privy to the dossier much of everything is speculation and rumor or psychics. What we did see in the few PV'S much of it they lied about. There has been very little talk about a boat being used and who may have been involved in disposing of Natalee that can be considered fact. I'M sure TJ Ward,Dave Holloway and Bo Dietl have better info compared to what is on the internet.

[dennisintn]

Kyle,

That Freebirds theory is the only thing I see at the moment. Because we aren't privy to the dossier much of everything is speculation and rumor or psychics. What we did see in the few PV'S much of it they lied about. There has been very little talk about a boat being used and who may have been involved in disposing of Natalee that can be considered fact. I'M sure TJ Ward,Dave Holloway and Bo Dietl have better info compared to what is on the internet.

is it worth a chance to talk to mos about their timeline for jvds that night.  they definitely have a better chance of verifying times and alibis and might be willing to share that information with persistence.  this is a different set of people you'd be dealing with and i really think mos would be willing to help in any way he could, particularly if he could do it without having to pay for it with media attention and static from the defense lawyers.  man to man always works best, in my experience.
dennisintn