Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007

[dennisintn]

Hello everyone. I have been trying to think of something effective that can be done to help Beth keep the pressure on Aruba. Does anyone think this might be an effective tool?

If we had a good letter writer and an attorney to review the letter to assess liability, I wonder how effective it would be to write a letter to the major newspapers of each state basically to tell of Beth's treatment, the boycott, etc

My suggestion would be to turn the tables on Aruba and get a dream team and go to the top & cc Interpol:


At the direction of the President or the Attorney General, the FBI may use its statutory authority to investigate and arrest individuals for violating United States law, even if the FBI’s actions contravene customary international law. The President, acting through the Attorney General, has the inherent constitutional authority to deploy the FBI to investigate and arrest individuals for violating United States law, even if those actions contravene customary international law. Extraterritorial law enforcement activities that are authorized by domestic law are not barred even if they contravene unexecuted treaties or treaty provisions, such as Article 2(4) of the
United Nations Charter. An arrest that is inconsistent with international or foreign law does not violate the Fourth Amendment.

And I would include in that letter:

We read in Extracts of the Espionage and Sabotage Acts and other related federal criminal statutes: U.S. CODE, SECTION 1001, states that "Whoever, in any mater within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years or both


Now view this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

Dompig admits there was sexual assault to charge Joran, & Kalpoes and they should be charged, BUT they changed the investigation!
p. 193 (Beth's book) - November 2, 2005 Dompig on MSNBC - Rita Cosby show stated "They are gulty as hell."
Then if you read his various accusations he has accused Beth for interfering in the investigation to place blame on her, he has made accusations that Natalee bought drugs, he has made accusations that Natalee died of an overdose,
he has made accusations that Natalee was buried in the sea, that she ran away, that Beth made her disappear to collect insurance money. He intentionally withheld Texas Equu Search & FBI divers from searches and he has made accusations that the answers are in the United States with the Mountain Brook teens. When the truth is it was Dompig, Dennis Jacobs, Karin Janssen, Jan van der Straaten and unscrupulous judges that allowed the investigation to turn into a circus and crime that the world is still watching and wondering why the DUTCH are so flagrantly standing by and allowing the illegal conduct of the government and judiciary to prolificate. While tourism dollars are sinking Aruba's economy and their only hope is to make deals with illegal entities to keep Aruba afloat.

In addition file not only defamation lawsuits against Dompig, but also American's Julia Renfro and Charles Croes for their part in the cover-up with false and malicious intent to willfully cover-up and slander Beth Holloway and her daughter Natalee Holloway, but also under the Extracts of the Espionage and Sabotage Acts  - which is basically treason act of the U.S. Code.


Pierce the Evil and bring Justice for Natalee.

Well, that is what I would do.

ribbit

Great! Get this going now before we have a new President, new Atty. Gen. and new Secty. of State a year from now, who may or may not be inclined to get involved.

Someone going out of office has no reason not to get involved IMO and especially Ms. Rice who is very familiar with the delegations from Aruba and Beth Holloway.

i think we? should encourage candidates for all presidential candidates and congressional candidates to state their feelings about protecting or not protecting the interests of americans in foreign countries, tourist and commercial visits.  ignoring this problem has gone on long enough.  if places such as aruba even think a few political campaign contributions can buy a public officials action or inaction according to their needs, then that makes us no better than them.  the lives of americans abroad should not be thought of as for sale or use as bargaining power.
dennisintn

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Nut44x4!

Can you please tell me where I can find the registry of Aruban businesses?
I am looking yo see who owns the Aruban newspapers. Also interested in that one out of Curacao.

Also looking for Max Arends myspace.

Thanks in advance.

[ldstlou]

Good Morning Monkeys!!
CBB dressed me up so darned cute I just HAD to make a post!!
Thanks for updating me Klaas!!

[Nut44x4]

Mornin' ..... I just got to this page, getting caught up.

I do not know if this is Max...it says Andres Arends
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190050894

Still looking for that business list...I know I have it somewhere.

[ldstlou]

Again...I need help from some monkey...what time did it say that Natalee entered the casino?  What time did Joran come in?  What time was Paulus sitting at the table next to Natalee...I know...it isn't proven that it's him...just humor me. TIA

The timestamp is exactly 8:14 PM when the video was made of Jorna,PVDS and Natalee at the BJ table

Is there a timestamp when Natalee entered the casino?  Do we have that or is what I am talking about after her return trip from the bathroom or something?

Not too many days ago somebody posted that and discovered "proof" that the time on a photo had been changed. Can you search the last months posts?

I don't recall that discussion,was it on the front page? Looking back at the few seconds of footage they released it is just weird that Natalee is pointing in Joran's direction and in the same footage the other MB student is pointing at PVDS. You can clearly see the timestamp on this video. More than 2 hours after Paulus said he left the casino.

Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court).  The taped information and his declaration that  he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

Who was Joran's/Paulus's friend (Jorans age and part of the pimps, maybe?) whose father owned the security camera company for the casinos and hotels? Who has the knowledge to do time stamp changing? Also was this the same father that wouldn't let his son give a statement but came in for him instead?

Is Dompig now ahead of the camera company for the casinos./hotels now on Aruba? Seems to the "victory" goes the spoils all around Aruba.

Of course this goes along with the rumors of Joran/Paulus, K2 attempting to change the times of cell phones and computers.

Time only stands still for Natalee now. J4N



Who has access to these tapes to change the time stamp to this extent? Posner? the  company who does the surveillance in the casinos? Someone had to order it changed or it was changed without Posner knowing it?

This is driving me nuts. What are those things laying on the table in front of paulus? Something green and then something else? At first I thought maybe cigarettes and lighter..but don't think so. This is also a great image. You can see the girl to jorans right pointing to paulus and joran looking at him...again...I am sure they were discussing that paulus was jorans dad.

[MumInOhio]

Mornin' ..... I just got to this page, getting caught up.

I do not know if this is Max...it says Andres Arends
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190050894

Still looking for that business list...I know I have it somewhere.

Thanks Nut...don't think that's it...this one is supposed to have those stupid hand signals on it. A search sent me to Klaas' last posts where would I start!

[MumInOhio]

Morning ldstlou....I wonder if it's the 'i-pod' that Joran told one of the MB girls he had on the table.

[kgwallace88]

Has anyone seen any updates from Kyle?  I so look forward to reading what he writes but I haven't seen anything since sunday.

[MumInOhio]

Anyone know anything about this person? It popped up on a Natalee blog and all I can find is about 20, male and from a link I went to, could be related to Hendrik Croes. (Sorry still can't read Pap)..the link does not work. TIA

Shajir Croes ~ tickle http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?id=cNdzWji4h9KWexK2



No, sorry 88

[Nut44x4]

Nope.....guess I am not much help this morning, lol.
I do know that Tickle no longer exists.

[kgwallace88]

Does anyone think that means something that we haven't heard anything from them???  Sorry guys just getting anxious!

[MumInOhio]

Nope.....guess I am not much help this morning, lol.
I do know that Tickle no longer exists.

LOL...that would explain why they are no longer available!

[MumInOhio]

Does anyone think that means something that we haven't heard anything from them???  Sorry guys just getting anxious!

Getting a little anxious myself, but not sure what it means.

[ldstlou]

Morning ldstlou....I wonder if it's the 'i-pod' that Joran told one of the MB girls he had on the table.

hmmm. in front of Paulus? the green is his chips, but there is something in front and behind his chips it looks like. Nothing inportant..just couldn't figure out what it was. From my experience, you can't have phones on the table...I just was trying to figure out what he had sitting there.

[ldstlou]

Does anyone think that means something that we haven't heard anything from them???  Sorry guys just getting anxious!

Getting a little anxious myself, but not sure what it means.

me too.
Morning by the way Mum!!

[Nut44x4]

Morning ldstlou....I wonder if it's the 'i-pod' that Joran told one of the MB girls he had on the table.

hmmm. in front of Paulus? the green is his chips, but there is something in front and behind his chips it looks like. Nothing inportant..just couldn't figure out what it was. From my experience, you can't have phones on the table...I just was trying to figure out what he had sitting there.

There was about a 3-day discussion here on that a while ago...not sure how it turned out. As usual, I can't remember.

[wreck]

Does anyone think that means something that we haven't heard anything from them???  Sorry guys just getting anxious!

Getting a little anxious myself, but not sure what it means.

me too.
Morning by the way Mum!!

Maybe it's a GOOD sign. I would think even if they found something VERY encouraging -- they would continue to check out the entire grid just in case to be thorough since they are already there. This is the last chance. MOO

[Nut44x4]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=279&Itemid=30
Ola fuerte a benta turista bulgaro den laman bruto
Diario write up on the dead man at coastline. Several good photos of the rugged coast up close.

[Observer]

You can see the most recent talk about the "Man"(PVDS)in the casino here. Look a few pages ahead for a close up of the item in front of him.

Have a good day all!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=803;sa=showPosts;start=540

[MumInOhio]

Ldstlou I had just read that about the ipod when you asked that this morning. It was in one of the MB girls 302s. Wonder why one would want to take one to a casino? And if it wasn't an ipod what else could it be.

Lala's...where is lala's this morning...some more on GVC and his daddy. You need to scroll right down to see where daddy was interrogated and what the charges were against Geoffrey.

Thanks getagrip!

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_archive.html