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« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2008, 01:05:45 PM »

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=30&limit=9&limitstart=9   01/10/2008
Link is to Diario’s Local section

Family offering 25 thousand guilders for information leading to whereabouts of Jose Manuel Vincenzo Tromp, last seen 11/27/2007 at 8:30 a.m

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Famia tromp a pone 25 mil disponible pa e tip di oro       
Thursday, 10 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Manera a keda publica den un forma di exclusividad cu lo bay anuncia un balente suma di recompensa pa haya tip.

Ayera mainta na Palacio di Husticia situa na Santa Cruz a worde teni un conferencia di prensa relaciona cu desaparicion di Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp. Tabata presenta miembronan di famia den persona di tata, mama y ruman homber di Vicenzo.

Tambe halto Inspectornan Candelaria y Vanessa Kock tabata presente na e ocasion aki ya cu nan tambe ta forma parti di team special encarga pa e buskeda di Vicenzo.

Por a constata presencia tambe di vocero di Ministerio Publico señora Ann Angela. Tabata e vocero policial suplente Sr. John Larmonie cu a habri e conferencia di prensa pa haci un yamado en especial relaciona cu e caso di Vicenzo.

Despues di un yamada y un splicacion corto palabra a worde pasa pa fiscal Sra. mr Dop Kruimel.
El a bisa cu e meta principal pa cual nan a yama un rueda di prensa tabata pa haci un yamada na e comunidad Arubano pa yuda localiza Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp.

Ultimo biaha, segun fiscal a duna di conoce, a wak Vicenzo riba 27 di November2007 ora el a bandona su cas ubica na Weststraat 29 pa 8:30 di mainta. E tabata tin bisti e momento ey un carson cortico blauw scur te na rudia, T-shirt shinishi manga cortico y slof preto.

Fotonan di Vicenzo ya a worde publica pero tog fiscal kier a describi e persona aki. Vicenzo su color di cuero ta bruin clam, su estatura ta 1,80 meter. Pa locual ta su cabey esaki tambe ta manera ta worde describi ariba e foto, pero e por ta un poco mas cortico of mas largo na e momentonan aki.
E fiscal a trece dilanti e pakico Vicenzo ta worde busca y tambe e famia.

A base di e responsabilidad aki Ministerio Publico a forma un team special consisti di mas o menos 12 persona.

Ora cu ta necesario tur e 12 personanan aki por traha hunto riba e caso y nan ta trahando tambe pa tur informe cu a drenta na e momentonan aki pa verifica nan, pero nan mester di mas informe.
Vicenzo pa basta tempo caba a disparce, no sa exactamente kico ta pasando y no ta bay den direccion pa pensa di un crimen, pero lamentablemente no por exclui esaki pasobra e tin basta tempo cu el a desaparece.

Tur informe ta priva ya cu e meta ta pa hendenan duna cualkier informacion con chikito esaki lo por ta manera kico nan a mira pa asina por continua cu e investigacion.

E famia a relata cu Vicenzo Tromp tabata traha na KIA como guardia, e ta studia fuera su trabao na Avond VVO como studiante di prome aña, y den su tempo liber e ta studia na Biblioteca Oranjestad.
Por ta lo por tin persona cu lo a mire ayanan y a nota algo particular.

E ta gusta hopi pa landa na Arashi, tambe e ta gusta tennis, e ta un bon hungador, e tabata afila na e Tennis Club Champions, el a bay hasta Merca pa sigui un curso pa Academico di Tennis. Aki tambe lo por tin persona cu lo por suministra mas informe. Cada informe ta pa yuda pa e team special soluciona e caso di Vicenzo Tromp.

Diferente buskeda a ser realiza y e famia a ricibi ayudo, entre di Cruz Cora. Tabata tin buskeda a tuma lugar na diferente lugar riba nos isla, tanto den mondi y pafor di mondi. Pero no tabata tin resultado.

Ta haci un suplica na comunidad, na personanan pa yama telefon di polis na 582-4000. Esaki ta e number di warda di polis Playa y por pidi pa extension 134, 135 of 136.

Tin personanan di e team special cu sa di e caso pa atende e yamadanan. Pero si tin persona cu kier keda anonimo nan por yama na e asina yama tip-line 1114. ta preferible pa haya informenan caminda cu tin chens di combersa cu e personanan cu ta suministra informacion relaciona cu e buskeda di Vicenzo.

Finalmente segun fiscal Dop Kruimel a bisa, cu riba nan mes iniciativa e famia a pone e suma di 25 mil Florin disponible como recompensa.

E placa ta disponible pa e informacion cu ta conduci pa por haya Vicenzo Tromp.

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family tromp owing to place 25 thousand disponible for her tip of gold
thursday, 10 january 2008

oranjestad.(aan): as owing to stay publica in one form of exclusividad cu will bay anuncia one balente suma of recompensa for achieve tip.

yesterday morning at palace of husticia situa at santa cruz owing to worde teni one conferencia of prensa relaciona cu desaparicion of jose manuel vicenzo tromp. was present miembronan of family in person of father, mother y brother man of vicenzo.

also high inspectornan candelaria y vanessa kock was present at the ocasion here already cu they also is form part of team special encarga for her buskeda of vicenzo.

can owing to constata presencia also of vocero of ministerio publico madam ann angela. was the vocero policial suplente sr. john larmonie cu owing to open the conferencia of prensa for haci one yamado provided that especial relaciona cu the caso of vicenzo.

after of one call y one splicacion corto word owing to worde happen for fiscal sra. mr dop kruimel.
past owing to tell cu the aim principal for cual they owing to calling one rueda of prensa was for haci one call at the comunidad aruban for help localiza jose manuel vicenzo tromp.

ultimo trip, according fiscal owing to give of conoce, owing to look at vicenzo on 27 of november2007 hour past owing to bandona his cas ubica at weststraat 29 for 8:30 of morning. the was have dress the instant ey one carson cortico blauw dark till at knee, t-shirt grey sleeve cortico y slof black. f

otonan of vicenzo already owing to worde publica but tog fiscal wanted owing to describi the person here. vicenzo his color of cuero is bruin clam, his estatura is 1,80 metre. for locual is his cabey this also is as is worde describi upstairs the photograph, but the can is one some more cortico or more largo at the momentonan here.
the fiscal owing to trece fast the pakico vicenzo is worde busca y also the family.

owing to base of the responsabilidad here ministerio publico owing to form one team special consisti of more or less 12 person.

hour cu is necesario all the 12 personanan here can work together on the caso y they're trahando also for all informe cu owing to enter at the momentonan here for verifica they, but they have to of more informe.
vicenzo for enough time end owing to disparce, not know exactly kico is pasando y do not bay in direccion for think of one crimen, but alas not can exclui this because the have enough time cu past owing to desaparece.

all informe is priva already cu the aim is for hendenan give cualkier informacion con diminutive this will can is as kico they owing to see for so can continua cu the investigacion.

the family owing to relata cu vicenzo tromp was work at kia because; guardia, the is study fuera his trabao at avond vvo because; student of first year, y in his time pound the is study at biblioteca oranjestad.

can is will can have person cu will owing to mire ayanan y owing to notice algo particular.

the likes much for swim at arashi, also the likes tennis, the is one good hungador, the was afila at the tennis club champions, past owing to bay even merca for follow one curso for academico of tennis. here also will can have person cu will can suministra more informe. cada informe is for help for her team special soluciona the caso of vicenzo tromp.

various buskeda owing to being realiza y the family owing to ricibi aid, among of cruz cora. was have buskeda did take lugar at various lugar on we island, tanto in forest y abroad of forest. but not was have result.

is haci one suplica at comunidad, at personanan for calling telephone of police at 582-4000. this is the number of keep of police beach y can ask for extension 134, 135 or 136.

have personanan of the team special cu know of the caso for atende the yamadanan. but if have person cu wanted stay anonimo they can calling at the so calling tip-line 1114. is preferible for achieve informenan caminda cu have chens of combersa cu the personanan cu is suministra informacion relaciona cu the buskeda of vicenzo.

finalmente according fiscal dop kruimel owing to tell, cu on they self iniciativa the family owing to place the suma of 25 thousand guilder disponible because; recompensa.

the coin is disponible for her informacion cu is conduci for can achieve vicenzo tromp.

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Two thieves (from "Toys 4 Us" ?) quickly captured.

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Autoridad a capta dos sospechoso di ladronicia       
Thursday, 10 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso insolito a socede Diaranzon mainta den Wilhelminastraat, net ora cu un accidente a pasa den area dilanti Toys 4 Us.  Hendenan a mira con dos persona anti-social a probecha di e situacion di emergencia aki, pa horta un tas bay cune.

Na careda nan a bay pariba, pasa den e rooi patras di NV Elmar. Aki nan a habri e tas, reboltea esaki y keda loke tin di balor. E tas mes nan a laga cay eybao.

Autoridad a worde avisa, y mesora nan a start cu un buskeda den e area.

Polis a bay den vecindario di Veld di Cricket, y a sigui bay pariba pa e area di Chollerhouse den Rondweg.

Aki nan a dal den suerte! Net patras di e hardware store den Rondweg, a bin nota e dos anti-social cu ta cuadra cu e descripcion duna.

Polisnan a yega for di tur skina, y a captura nan dos! Pues den menos di 15 minuut, dos ladron a worde captura.

Nan a hasta resisti contra nan detencion, y fotografo di DIARIO mes a mira con uno di nan a zwaai un scop den direccion di Polis. Pero e agentenan a mantene nan mes calmo, y a djis hala un banda.

Nan a keda deteni, pa asina Recherche start un investigacion y determina te con leu cada uno ta envolvi den e caso aki.

Online Pap translation:

autoridad owing to capta two sospechoso of ladronicia
thursday, 10 january 2008

oranjestad (aan): one caso insolito owing to socede diaranzon morning in wilhelminastraat, just hour cu one accidente owing to happen in area fast toys 4 us. hendenan owing to see con two person anti-social owing to probecha of the situation of emergencia here, for steal one bag bay cune.

at careda they owing to bay east, happen in the rooi behind nv elmar. here they owing to open the bag, reboltea this y stay thing have of value. the bag self they owing to let cay eybao.

autoridad owing to worde avisa, y at once they owing to start cu one buskeda in the area.

police owing to bay in vecindario of veld of cricket, y owing to follow bay east for her area of chollerhouse in rondweg.

here they owing to strike in suerte! just behind the hardware store in rondweg, owing to come notice the two anti-social cu is cuadra cu the descripcion give.

polisnan owing to arrive for of all angle, y owing to captura they two! then in less of 15 minuut, two thief owing to worde captura.

they owing to even resisti contra they detencion, y fotografo of daily paper self owing to see con uno of they owing to zwaai one scop in direccion of police. but the agentenan owing to mantene they self calmo, y owing to immidiately wing one near.

they owing to stay deteni, for so recherche start one investigacion y determina till con far cada uno is envolvi in the caso here.

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Armed driver of car at Palace (Place?) of Justice. Doesn't seem to indicate whether he was caught. Apparently a case (cases) involving 10 +/- drug suspects was about to begin.

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Nan a mira un homber cu arma den man!.
Alerta rond di corte di husticia
       
Thursday, 10 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diaranzon mainta, oficialnan di Polis como tambe Recherche a bay den alerta maximo, specialmente den area rond di Palacio di Husticia.

Tur esaki a cuminza, ora cu un funcionario publico pa casualidad a mira un auto staciona banda di Alameda, y e chofer tin un arma di candela den su poder.

Inmediatamente a bati alarma na autoridad, y esaki inmediatamente a bay den alerta.

Algun oficial hudicial cu tabata presente na Corte ta cuida algun detenido, a bay den extra cautela, si acaso tin “cualkier cos”.

Diferente patruya di Polis a mobiliza pa e area pa asina check si nan ta haya e auto.

DIARIO a mira con oficialnan di Recherche y Team Bijzondere Projecten ta vigila.

Personal di CEA tambe a worde mira ta cana pafor di e edificio, cu nan man cla poni riba nan arma.
Sinembargo ya caba e auto cu e chofer a bandona e area caba.

Autoridad sinembargo ta keda riba alerta den e area aki, mirando e hecho cu den Corte tabatin mas di 10 persona kendenan a worde presenta dilanti Huez pa casonan relaciona cu Droga.

Online Pap translation:

they owing to see one man cu arm in hand!.
alerta rond of corte of husticia

thursday, 10 january 2008

oranjestad (aan): diaranzon morning, oficialnan of police because; also recherche owing to bay in alerta maximo, specialmente in area rond of palace of husticia.

all this owing to cuminza, hour cu one funcionario publico for casualidad owing to see one car staciona near of alameda, y the chofer have one arm of candela in his power.

at once owing to beat alarma at autoridad, y this at once owing to bay in alerta.

some oficial hudicial cu was present at corte is cuida some detenido, owing to bay in extra cautela, if acaso have “cualkier cos”.

various patrol of police owing to mobiliza for her area for so check if they're achieve the car.

daily paper owing to see con oficialnan of recherche y team bijzondere projecten is vigila.

personal of cea also owing to worde see is march abroad of the edificio, cu they hand cla poni on they arm.
sinembargo already end the car cu the chofer owing to bandona the area end.

autoridad sinembargo is stay on alerta in the area here, mirando the mature cu in corte had more of 10 person kendenan owing to worde present fast huez for casonan relaciona cu drugs.

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« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2008, 02:00:51 PM »

Seems like a lot of suicides given the population.



That was just in 2005,That didn't include the Tele-Aruba Producer,The Camera-Man with one hand in his pocket,The other guy with one hand in his pocket,Pitbull or any of the future suicides we read about.
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« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2008, 02:02:46 PM »


Family offering 25 thousand guilders

Ahh..Ok that sounds more like a reward. 25 Million was hard to believe  Wink
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« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2008, 02:09:56 PM »


  I think that those kind of looks are supposed to be intimidating to us
******* ,  when I worked in corrections  we would see those new type of young prisoners come in thru intake and they would be all bid and Bold until some of the older hard core cons would have a midnight talk with them and then when they would come back out with tears all over there faces  most of the others knew what had just happened and the young man would soon learn that in prison looks don't intimidate quite a few of those men .
  I would give almost anything to see Joran the gallops and Paulis inside of a real Prison in the USA  and show just how brave they really are  .  My bet would that they would be stripped of everything that they brought in with them and then become girl friends for the lifers and others  and yes even Joran,  being big in size in prison does not mean being respected, that you have to earn  and when a group grabs you in a small room there is NOT really a lot you can do except use your head or $$, cigs,  dope ect if you can obtain it .




Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked
Shocked lol




Has that look of a terrorist.  They think it's cool to look like they are terrorizing people, but they are and it's not cool.  What weak men when they only terrorize children (Joran's brothers) and women (Natalee, et al).
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« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2008, 02:28:08 PM »

Apologies for not crediting the post brought over from RU - the quote stack was quite an obstacle.




Comparison of the RU Murders and Suicides for 2005, with our count.

Murders - 2005

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This must be the 03/27/2005 murder reported in RU’s post. Age 34, Male, gunshot.

03/??/2005 - Brazilian man murdered by another Brazilian man. BonDia? No details available now.
Posted 8/16/2006 at LCD by Shizaru; to M&C via msmarple

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Omitted by RU post:
04/30/2005 - Fatal shooting (victim “E.F.”) during a party near hotel La Cabana.
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Posted 8/20/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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This is the 05/31/2005 murder reported in the RU post.

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
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Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

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05/31/2005 – Without apology - we include Natalee Holloway in our count of victims murdered on Aruba in 2005.

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This is the 06/17 murder reported in RU post. He was found the next day.

06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife was charged, convicted.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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Omitted from RU post, and we did not include this in the Murder count for 2005

06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.

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This must be the “10/31/2005” murder RU’s post reports. The dates are off, and the age is one year off, but these could be typos from whatever source.

11/04/2005 - Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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This must the be the “11/01/2005” murder RU’s post reports. The dates are off, and the age is one year off, but these could be typos from whatever source.

11/04/2005 - Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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Finally – we do not have the “12/12/2005” murder RU reports, of a 36 year old male, by car.  (Wonder if Ramm would argue with RU about that one. He would know what I’m talking about.  Wink)

Will have to edit that  one in some day; would bring OUR murder count for 2005 to 8.

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Suicides

We did not post many suicides in the earlier months of the M&C thread.

These are the only two posts we have re. suicides, or possible suicide, on Aruba in 2005. (All of those mentioned by ******* are in 2006 or later, and we do have those.)

Interesting that those we do have, don’t seem to match well to any of those in the RU post - No "jumpings" or 30-year-old women, as examples.


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Summer 2005 – Two security guards jumped off building (separate episodes). La Cabana Hotel was the site of one (maybe both) of them. That there are two instances, same occupation, maybe same building, make this suspicious.

There were at least two other reported suicides that summer – one “on the beach”, one “30-yr-old woman”.
Posted 8/16/2006 at M&C by Tidycat; and 8/29/2006 by Appeals

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This is interesting. RU post does not seem to include Robert Wayne Benson as either a murder or a suicide. We did not include his death as a murder.

The closest match in the RU post seems to be "11/10/2005 - 46 - Male - Poison"


11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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« Reply #105 on: January 10, 2008, 02:30:07 PM »

Lala's....I am unable to find that Satish made a statement on 6/16...do I need new glasses? I am back on page 36 of the last thread where you said he and Freddy were both questioned that day. Any help would be appreciated.


After looking at my post I think I meant to type Sander instead of Satish.  I had noticed the next day 6/17 that Satish was interrogated again, but I meant Sander.  I was talking about Sander at the time...sorry.  I got my names mixed up.  That's what I get for being in a hurry.  You don't need new glasses....I do.
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« Reply #106 on: January 10, 2008, 03:02:05 PM »

The "boys" (who are actually men) are only a result of the pattern of behavior that their parents taught them.
Look to the parents first!




SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE





That last photo is just a little to close to the "Lord of the Flies" but if he doesn't zip it up his open fly is going to surely attract flies:)))))))))

Hope I don't eat one of his flies.

Heh Heh

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« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2008, 03:07:56 PM »

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« Reply #108 on: January 10, 2008, 03:13:00 PM »

Have a good one Monkey's and spread the love connection.

I'm off to eat some flies.


Kermit ... Miss Piggy gave me your mother's shoe-fly pie recipe and ... it is in the over right now.  Hop right over ... it's lunchtime in my next of the woods.

Ribbit

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« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2008, 03:17:43 PM »

Have a good one Monkey's and spread the love connection.

I'm off to eat some flies.


Kermit ... Miss Piggy gave me your mother's shoe-fly pie recipe and ... it is in the over right now.  Hop right over ... it's lunchtime in my next of the woods.

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« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2008, 03:24:22 PM »

It was Deepak and Sander that were questioned on 6/16/05.

Juan Enrique BOEZEN and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY
SATISH 6/09/2005 STATEMENT
SATISH 06/10/2005 STATEMENT
SATISH 06/10/2005 2nd STATEMENT ON THAT DATE


DEEPAK 6/09/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK 06/10/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK - 6/16/2005 STATEMENT

Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/16/2005 STATEMENT
CARLOS RAMOS (gardener witness) Statements 7/26 - 8/16/2005
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/16/2005 STATEMENT
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/17/2005 STATEMENT


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« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2008, 03:24:26 PM »

Have a good one Monkey's and spread the love connection.

I'm off to eat some flies.


Mr. Kermit...that would be The Rainbow Connection and you sing it
so beautifully.  It is one of my favorites.
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« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2008, 03:26:51 PM »

Have a good one Monkey's and spread the love connection.

I'm off to eat some flies.


Mr. Kermit...that would be The Rainbow Connection and you sing it
so beautifully.  It is one of my favorites.


Miss Magnolia you make me blush.

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« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2008, 03:33:47 PM »

It was Deepak and Sander that were questioned on 6/16/05.

Juan Enrique BOEZEN and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY
SATISH 6/09/2005 STATEMENT
SATISH 06/10/2005 STATEMENT
SATISH 06/10/2005 2nd STATEMENT ON THAT DATE


DEEPAK 6/09/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK 06/10/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
DEEPAK - 6/16/2005 STATEMENT

Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/16/2005 STATEMENT
CARLOS RAMOS (gardener witness) Statements 7/26 - 8/16/2005
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/16/2005 STATEMENT
SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/17/2005 STATEMENT




Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively sergeant and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both detached to the Detective district 2, d - DEEPAK - 6/16/2005 STATEMENT


Dennis Dominico Jacobs, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes, respectively head agents and agent first class at the Korps police force Aruba, former classified at the assaulted project team and others at the Recherde district 2 - JORAN/SATISH FACE TO FACE MEETING 06/16/2005



Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE - SANDER GOTTENBOS - 06/16/2005 STATEMENT



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Elio Dania
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« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2008, 04:57:41 PM »

This is the look kow-squash was going for.

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« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2008, 05:24:53 PM »

The "boys" (who are actually men) are only a result of the pattern of behavior that their parents taught them.
Look to the parents first!




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That last photo is just a little to close to the "Lord of the Flies" but if he doesn't zip it up his open fly is going to surely attract flies:)))))))))

Hope I don't eat one of his flies.

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Well, I've never said anything, but there's something really wierd about Anita's bra. I mean she's got pads in it...................there is no part of Anita that requires padding; she's got plenty of her own making.
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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2008, 05:51:10 PM »

Anyone case related?

newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--heroinbust0110jan10,0,6476827.story
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Authorities seize 8 kilograms of heroin worth more than $500K
4:16 PM EST, January 10, 2008

SEACAUCUS, N.J.
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State Police Lt. Mark Kelly said Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada, 49, was arrested Wednesday as she attempted to board a bus in Secaucus. He says the powdered heroin she allegedly possessed is worth an estimated $520,000 and likely was smuggled through Aruba.
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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2008, 05:59:04 PM »

Anyone case related?

newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--heroinbust0110jan10,0,6476827.story
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Authorities seize 8 kilograms of heroin worth more than $500K
4:16 PM EST, January 10, 2008

SEACAUCUS, N.J.
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State Police Lt. Mark Kelly said Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada, 49, was arrested Wednesday as she attempted to board a bus in Secaucus. He says the powdered heroin she allegedly possessed is worth an estimated $520,000 and likely was smuggled through Aruba.
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We should check to see if there's anyone MIA from RU  Laughing
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« Reply #118 on: January 10, 2008, 06:04:56 PM »

Aruba and the Netherlands get tough on drugs -

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1328734/Drugscontrole+door+werkgever+terecht.html

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Mag een werkgever een werknemer testen op de aanwezigheid van alcohol of drugs in het lichaam? Welke gevolgen kan hij verbinden aan een positieve uitslag?

Voor werkgevers zijn dit relevante vragen, omdat alcohol en drugs het functioneren van de werknemer negatief kunnen beïnvloeden en kunnen leiden tot een verkeerd imago van het bedrijf.

De Hoge Raad heeft recent, eind vorig jaar, een baanbrekend arrest gewezen over de vraag in hoeverre een werkgever bevoegd is tot het geven van ontslag op staande voet als in het lichaam van een werknemer cocaïne is aangetroffen. De casus was als volgt.

Een dame, werkzaam als serveerster in een hotelcasino van Hyatt op Aruba, onderging een drugstest in het kader van het door de werkgever gevoerde antidrugsbeleid. De uitslag was positief. De werkneemster werd op staande voet ontslagen toen zij weigerde deel te nemen aan een rehabilitatieprogramma.

Het Gerecht van Eerste Aanleg en het gemeenschappelijke hof van justitie op Aruba hebben het ontslag geldig bevonden. De Hoge Raad liet dit oordeel in stand. Het argument van de werkneemster dat zij de verdovende middelen in privétijd (weekend) had gebruikt, werd niet valide bevonden.
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Ik deel deze opvatting niet. Het is duidelijk dat werkgever Hyatt het van groot belang acht dat werknemers clean zijn en discussie over de vraag waar het omslagpunt ten aanzien van de invloed van illegale drugs op het functioneren zou kunnen liggen uit de weg heeft willen gaan. Een dergelijk stringent beleid voorkomt willekeur. Daarbij moet niet uit het oog worden verloren dat het om illegaal drugsgebruik gaat. Het beoefenen van een illegale activiteit in privétijd verdient, ook vanuit het perspectief van privacyrechten, weinig (tot geen) bescherming.


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Can an employer test an employee on the presence of alcohol or drugs in the body? Which impact can he link to a positive result?

For employers is this relevant ask, because the functioning of the employee negatively can alcohol and drugs influence and can lead to found oneself an image of the company.

The Supreme Court have given judgement recent, end previous year, innovative concerning the question to what extent an employer is competent to giving dismissal on staande foot if it has been found in the body of an employee cocaine. The casus was as follows.

A lady, operative as a waitress in a hotel casino of Hyatt on Aruba, underwent a drug test within the framework of the antidrugsbeleid conducted by the employer. The result was positive. The salary-earner was dismissed staande foot then they refused take part in a rehabilitation programme.

The Court of first construction and the common Court of Justice on Aruba has validly been the dismissal. The Supreme Court left this judgement in score. The argument of the salary-earner who she had used the narcotic substances in privétijd (eekend), valide were not been.
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I do not share this conception. It is clear that employer Hyatt considers it be very important that employees clean and discussion concerning the question where the break-even point with respect to the influence of illegal drugs on the functioning lie would be possible from the way has wanted go. Such a tight policy prevents willekeur. Thereby does not have be lost sight of that it concerns illegal drug use. Practising an illegal activity in privétijd deserves, also from the perspective of privacy rights, little (to none) protection.

I wonder how frequent the testing is? 
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« Reply #119 on: January 10, 2008, 06:16:16 PM »

OMG!  Shocked

Has anyone looked at the Diario today?  They post the online at http://news.diario-aruba.com/

There is a little picture of what the print edition looks like ~



It looks like a big garbage dump is on fire.  I hope they aren't blaming this on TES.  It's like a repeat of a few years ago.  Rolling Eyes
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