Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Kermit]

I don't understand Dutch, but DeVries doesn't sound happy.  I hope someone is listening that knows what's being said.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6010887&start=0:01:06

******* - can you screenshot that photo of Joran and PAPA?

PAPA has called in to the show!

Thank you.



Hi Kermit..Sure I'll do it now.

[Dayhiker]

The real perversion of the case is that I am not sure that it isn't Joran covering up his Dad's actions!!!

Deepak to Joran: "Your own father."

[Tamikosmom]

I think there was an accidental death in the commission of a crime, granted, and I think he needs to pay the consequences. I think what he did had horrible consequences and was wrong, on many levels. I think he absolutely has some consequences to face.

<snipped>

PI ... Natalee's death may not have been intentional but ... it was a result of wrongdoing by Joran and others and ... justice demands that there must be accountability.

Janet

[Kermit]

Oprah has a forum where they allow posts about the shows.  There are 2 threads now regarding the upcomming show with Beth and Matt.  Heli and others at RU are starting to post there.  One of Heli's posts was already removed. 

Here are the links to the two threads in case anyone wants to leave a message.  I believe you have to register to post.  The poster with the nickname jhellshot is Heli from RU.  She has now reposted:

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13348?tstart=0

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13274?tstart=0

ROFLMAO! Heli is spouting her 1st Amendment rights were violated and then tries to justify her post with a rant about the Hootie poster! Gee whilikers! Next thing ya know a caller from INDIA is going to call in! LOL

[Kermit]

The real perversion of the case is that I am not sure that it isn't Joran covering up his Dad's actions!!!

Deepak to Joran: "Your own father."

And your cousins

And your cousins mother's brother's father Dompig

And your father's friend Arlene and her cousin Guido

And there ya have it!

[klaasend]

Regarding the Dutch show that the Sloots were just on.  This is from a poster at BFN:

Posted by JOS at BFN:

Peter R de Vries aks tough questions, I am amazed, it is breath taking.

Anita says she suspected him in the beginning, paul is upset that Joran lied for such a long time. Peter intervenes all the time with questions. It sis going very fast right now.

peter confronts joran with sms and emails from kalpoe brothers about leaving her at the beach and says his statements during the progam is even contradictive

talk host asks peter what he thinks that happened, he says that it would be possible that an accident happened, more scenarios possible

what triggers peter? joran has lied and peter does not see the reason for those lies. peter asks paul if he supports joran silence during the interrogations. paul has advised joran to keep silence.

it is going to fast, but peter makes it difficult

peter thinks that joran kept silent because he had lied so much and he was scared to make mistakes. joran says he hopes the case will be solved and that peter will apologi

ze

anita: police had tunnel vision, they wanted a suspect. joran is geting more red i the face during the show

paul: natalee's profile has not been studied, who did she meet at aruba, why isn't her computer not being examined

paul: there is a video on which natalees was seen with somebody else. where is this video, witness has seen natalee with another man before that night

anita: beth kidnapping poster is suggestive, as if she knew nat was not kidnapped

peter asks questions about photo chopping

joran: it was a joke, he doesn't want to say who chopped it

peter: the one who chopped has been paid, he has proof.

anita: she wants the investigation to be continued, first for family than for joran. she wants an inquiry into the inquiry.
she says that there are indications that she is not dead.

paul says she is not dead, joran says he thinks she is dead because it would be inhumane for her to keep hidden.

anita: hopefully peter continues the search

peter: the case is still open for him

joran asks peter again if he wants to apologize, peter says "what do you think" , joran says he doesn't think peter is capable of making apologizes, the audience laughs, end of show.

http://omroep.vara.nl/Uitzending_gemist.167.0.html

go to this page later on this weekend and click on

Pauw & Witteman 11 januari 2008

Anita was talking all the time, saying at first she thought there had been an accident. Unfortunately the hosts did not question her saying that the Sloots have had (at least in the past) that she was still alive.

[Observer]

This is from Pauw & Witteman 7-12-07 (Not tonights live show)
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6010887&start=0:01:06

[Tamikosmom]

Regarding the Dutch show that the Sloots were just on.  This is from a poster at BFN:

Posted by JOS at BFN:

Peter R de Vries aks tough questions, I am amazed, it is breath taking.

Anita says she suspected him in the beginning, paul is upset that Joran lied for such a long time. Peter intervenes all the time with questions. It sis going very fast right now.

peter confronts joran with sms and emails from kalpoe brothers about leaving her at the beach and says his statements during the progam is even contradictive

talk host asks peter what he thinks that happened, he says that it would be possible that an accident happened, more scenarios possible

what triggers peter? joran has lied and peter does not see the reason for those lies. peter asks paul if he supports joran silence during the interrogations. paul has advised joran to keep silence.

it is going to fast, but peter makes it difficult

peter thinks that joran kept silent because he had lied so much and he was scared to make mistakes. joran says he hopes the case will be solved and that peter will apologi

ze

anita: police had tunnel vision, they wanted a suspect. joran is geting more red i the face during the show

paul: natalee's profile has not been studied, who did she meet at aruba, why isn't her computer not being examined

paul: there is a video on which natalees was seen with somebody else. where is this video, witness has seen natalee with another man before that night

anita: beth kidnapping poster is suggestive, as if she knew nat was not kidnapped

peter asks questions about photo chopping

joran: it was a joke, he doesn't want to say who chopped it

peter: the one who chopped has been paid, he has proof.

anita: she wants the investigation to be continued, first for family than for joran. she wants an inquiry into the inquiry.
she says that there are indications that she is not dead.

paul says she is not dead, joran says he thinks she is dead because it would be inhumane for her to keep hidden.

anita: hopefully peter continues the search

peter: the case is still open for him

joran asks peter again if he wants to apologize, peter says "what do you think" , joran says he doesn't think peter is capable of making apologizes, the audience laughs, end of show.

http://omroep.vara.nl/Uitzending_gemist.167.0.html

go to this page later on this weekend and click on

Pauw & Witteman 11 januari 2008

Anita was talking all the time, saying at first she thought there had been an accident. Unfortunately the hosts did not question her saying that the Sloots have had (at least in the past) that she was still alive.

Thank you Klaas.  Thank you JOS.

Janet

[Blue Moon]

This is from Pauw & Witteman 7-12-07 (Not tonights live show)
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6010887&start=0:01:06

LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON---YUCK

[klaasend]

This is from Pauw & Witteman 7-12-07 (Not tonights live show)
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6010887&start=0:01:06

He's got his fathers mouth and Frankenstein's forehead.  This photo creeps me out.

[Tamikosmom]

The real perversion of the case is that I am not sure that it isn't Joran covering up his Dad's actions!!!

Joran's official declarations establish the May 29, 2005 chain of events and ... the chain of events imply that Paulus left the casino part way through the poker tournament ... leaving Joran at the poker table.  Joran then went to the black jack table following the poker tournament and ... Natalee Holloway enter the scenario a short time later.

If the casino video captures Paulus conversing with Natalee at the black jack table ... the implication is that Joran is covering for his Father.  He lied regarding in his declaration in regards to what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran deem it necessary in his declaration to cover the truth regarding a "Paulus/Natalee connection".

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier. We had agreed that he would call me after the tournament, in order for me to come and pick him up. He did indeed call me and at approximately 23.00 hour I picked him up near the Mc Donalds in Palm Beach with my red Suzuki. We drove home and I went to bed.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

[2NJSons_Mom]

The comments here seem interesting...I'm not a translation whiz, though:

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

There are more comments....

[Observer]

We know Paulus was sleeping in the main house when Natalee dissapeared and Anita was away. Why is that?

[Tamikosmom]

Oprah has a forum where they allow posts about the shows.  There are 2 threads now regarding the upcomming show with Beth and Matt.  Heli and others at RU are starting to post there.  One of Heli's posts was already removed. 

Here are the links to the two threads in case anyone wants to leave a message.  I believe you have to register to post.  The poster with the nickname jhellshot is Heli from RU.  She has now reposted:

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13348?tstart=0

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13274?tstart=0

jhelishot
3 posts since
Jan 11, 2008

Reply 1. Re: Beth Holloway and Newsmaker Follow-Ups Jan 11, 2008 4:28 PM

A very strange thing indeed happened to my comments posted on the "Justice for Natalee" thread here on January 10, 2008. I'll duplicate it here, in the interest of free speech and my voice being every bit as valid as any others. Miss Oprah, you are a proponent of the 1st Amendment aren't you? My post contained no libel, defamation or inappropriate language, therefore, I am repeating it below and look forward to having my 1st Amendment rights honoured by asking you to refrain from deleting it this time. Thanks in advance.

Ms Holloway reports she knew immediately, within seconds of receiving "the call" that Natalee had been kidnapped in Aruba yet the first poster she distributed in Aruba read like this:

"Please call me Hootie, I miss you and love you. Mom is here on Aruba and I really want to talk to you. Please call me on my local cell phone XXX XXX" Big Hootie.

What mother learning that her daughter has missed her flight home escalates the scenario immediately to kidnap rather than the logical thought of accident, injury or illness. Ms Holloway's first poster appears to make it clear that she had insight into Natalee having absconded of her own free will. Perhaps Ms Holloway could be asked on January 16 to explain the inconsistency of that poster with her insistence to the media that Natalee had been kidnapped ... actually that Natalee had been drugged, kidnapped, gangraped, killed, put into a fish trap and dumped in the ocean.

As of today's date there continues to be no evidence of a crime committed against Natalee and certainly no evidence that she's dead. Of note, the FBI's website describes Natalee as "SEEKING INFORMATION", not KIDNAPPED, not MISSING, not ENDANGERED ...

Oprah, this is more than a valid question and in the interest of presenting a balanced interview, it would be great if you could address this issue with Ms Holloway.

[Observer]

The comments here seem interesting...I'm not a translation whiz, though:

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

There are more comments....

By gisella Bauschke on 12-01-2008 at 00:34
Ladies and gentlemen,
So far, I am not doing this matter, but heck, Peter R. De Vries there is always impressive.
What is the father annoying, not one time, he runs one of your questions answered, but began an argument that nothing to do with your question. And if someone in the judiciary? Impressive son, his reasoning, his gestures, his opinion, de Vries mans is not enough excuse - if necessary - to offer.
After my opinion, there is something wrong with this good family

Wazigheid asset!
By Martijn van Meekeren on 12-01-2008 at 00:29
If anything has become clear tonight is that nothing is clear. I would not really know what to think of Joran and his parents. His lies are remarkable but the statement by the panic which lies have been told that he does have something plausibels! I know just (still) does not and all those psychologists of the cold ground, the truth is not closer!
Peter is wrong!
By Anton on 12-01-2008 at 00:26
I think the family van der sloot very correct about. I have a lot of respect for Joran and the appropriate way in which he answered the questions. For me he is 100% innocent.
Furthermore, I think that far too much of Peter Tunnel suffers. He continues to insist on the lies, while Joran in the whole does not deny. Furthermore Peters supports arguments only on the theory of unanswered questions, while Joran utemeljil and answered them all.
And that for such a young person ... clever!
PET
By corry on 12-01-2008 at 00:18
Is it possible that we have some youth respect and politeness to teach adults during a conversation? Can it even without jijen and jouen? Joran Saturday not to Peter R. De Vries in the classroom?
And calls can also be conducted without wearing a cap?
I have difficulty with this boy, especially for the way in which he talked about the girl. His easy way of lying.
Let us hope that this matter can be resolved again
Solution
By Ziener on 12-01-2008 at 00:16
They called Holl away. So it is weggerend only question is where.
Peter R de Vries is man enough
By wies on 12-01-2008 at 00:16
Find that Joran smakeloos insensitive and greedy.
Then he really seemed contradictory statements against him.
I can understand that the mother of Nataly H. Vastbijt themselves in the case, her daughter has vanished.
That boy would I not trust meter.

[Magnolia]

How dare Anita and Paulus say "there are indications she is not dead."

What are those indications?  Show us.
Mos said the first of December that they believe she is dead.

If they have indications that she is not for God's sake tell her family.

[Tamikosmom]

The real perversion of the case is that I am not sure that it isn't Joran covering up his Dad's actions!!!

Deepak to Joran: "Your own father."

Dayhiker ... I do believe that those words imply that Paulus van der Sloot was involved to some extent in the events encompassing of the morning when Natalee went missing.

Janet

[dennisintn]

Oprah has a forum where they allow posts about the shows.  There are 2 threads now regarding the upcomming show with Beth and Matt.  Heli and others at RU are starting to post there.  One of Heli's posts was already removed. 

Here are the links to the two threads in case anyone wants to leave a message.  I believe you have to register to post.  The poster with the nickname jhellshot is Heli from RU.  She has now reposted:

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13348?tstart=0

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/13274?tstart=0

ROFLMAO! Heli is spouting her 1st Amendment rights were violated and then tries to justify her post with a rant about the Hootie poster! Gee whilikers! Next thing ya know a caller from INDIA is going to call in! LOL

no, no, no, please, not the "caller from india", i almost died laughing at that fiasco.  and the worst part of that is, they haven't gotten any better at their games.  it's downright insulting to everyone's intelligence that they think anything would believe that stuff they put out.
dennisintn

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thank you, *******...my translation attempts were not as clear.

[San]

This is from Pauw & Witteman 7-12-07 (Not tonights live show)
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6010887&start=0:01:06

He's got his fathers mouth and Frankenstein's forehead.  This photo creeps me out.

Yep two nuts.