Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Blue Moon]

This cocky pimp (Joran) trying to make Peter apologize to him.  Who does he think he is?   Guess by not getting his apology he will now sue Peter.  And THEY believe this is over with now with this latest interview?  OH have we got a surprise for them!

I think the Van Der Sloots are becoming a family without a country as well as a concious or morals!

Morals have never played in this from the get-go.  You are correct they do appear to be without a country.  It is clear now why Paulus never became a judge.  He plays hard-ball with the justice system and one day it will back fire on him big time.  He of all people should have advised his son to tell the truth.  He of all people should have had the greatest respect for the Judicial system of Aruba.  But he didn't, all he could offer this family was to tell his son to SHUT UP.  What a loser.

[Blue Moon]

If Ramm is such an ordinary Dutch person how does he know all there is to know about the legal system?  The way it changes according to the situation how could he know it inside and out?  I always believed he was a Dutch legal person feeding us information and we were suppose to suck in all in.  Actually, I always thought he is Paulus.

[Observer]

If Ramm is such an ordinary Dutch person how does he know all there is to know about the legal system?  The way it changes according to the situation how could he know it inside and out?  I always believed he was a Dutch legal person feeding us information and we were suppose to suck in all in.  Actually, I always thought he is Paulus.

Just mention Ben King's crimes that he did to Mr.Matthews,Corrupt Dutch Judges,Aruban Tourism stats or any involvement of Paul Van Der Sloot and he will come running. He's related to someone,probably Ben King or the Van Der Sloots. He most certainlly is not your avg Dutch citizen with no ties to this case.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Sure---Joran's cocky and brazen with Mommy and Daddy sitting nearby.

But it's Joran who isn't man enough. He wasn't man enough to take Natalee safely back to her hotel.

And he still isn't man enough to admit to his involvement in Natalee's disappearance and take his punishment like a man.

Instead he hides behind Mommy and Daddy and lets everyone else suffer--including Natalee's family and friends and the everyday citizens of Aruba. Joran doesn't care as long as HE doesn't have to go to prison.

[NM]

That PR photo of pjvds look like they are in prisoners' outfits!

The reason I call it a PR photo is that we never saw any "family-type" photos of jvds until after Sept 2005 when Pauley and other's hooked up with the van der sluts. These PR photos are way different from the tickle site photos.

[Tamikosmom]

Just mention Ben King's crimes that he did to Mr.Matthews,Corrupt Dutch Judges,Aruban Tourism stats or any involvement of Paul Van Der Sloot and he will come running. He's related to someone,probably Ben King or the Van Der Sloots. He most certainlly is not your avg Dutch citizen with no ties to this case.

 

Ramm has been a judical apologist from way back.  I do believe that he has been placed on the boards by the "powers that be" in Aruba to defend rulings in the Natalee Holloway case.  There was a time that Joran and Paulus were defended also but ... I took notice when he was posting on the SM forum that he did back down to some extend.

Janet

[klaasend]

Just got this Google Alert:

http://www.pr-inside.com:80/former-suspect-s-mother-wants-probe-into-r382954.htm

Former suspect's mother wants probe into Natalee Holloway investigation
 
© AP
2008-01-12 01:37:01 -


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - The mother of a former suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba said Friday in a television interview she hopes there will be an investigation into the investigation that failed to find a trace of the U.S. teenager since she vanished in 2005.

«I would like the investigation
to continue,» said Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, one of three youths extensively interrogated by police and prosecutors.
«I would also like to see an investigation into the investigation,» she added.
Joran, Anita and Paul van der Sloot appeared on the Dutch late-night talk show Pauw & Witteman in what was billed as the family's last television interview about the case.
Anita van der Sloot said her family, as well as Holloway's family, needed answers.
«I think it's also very important that for them _ for everybody, but particularly for them _ there has to be clarity,» she said. «Then we can move on. As long as that doesn't that happen, there will be questions, there will be fingers pointing at Joran.
Holloway went missing May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to the U.S. She was on the final night of her school graduation trip to the island.
Van der Sloot and two other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the night of her disappearance.
They were questioned early in the investigation and again late last year before being released when they refused to answer any questions. All three deny involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Prosecutors now say they cannot prove a crime was committed without a body.
Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of Holloway, who was 18 at the time of her disappearance, but the Aruban prosecutors have said they believe she is dead.
Authorities in Aruba say the case against the three could be reopened if additional evidence surfaces. But if they were to go to trial now with virtually no hope of guilty verdicts, they would lose the opportunity to try them later if strong evidence emerges.
Joran van der Sloot talked little during the show and made no new revelations about the case. When asked if he believed Holloway is still alive, he said he doubted it.
«If a person has been missing for three years, you would be a very bad person if you see everything that has gone on and don't come forward with a sign that you are alive,» he said. «And if she is still alive, I think she is being held somewhere against her will.

[NM]

One more thing about that photo and the other PR photos. 

It is almost as if they are thinking about us here at SM and anyone who supports Natalee and her family, and adjust their expression and pose to act like-we-are-doing-great.

I bet they think of us and Natalee every second of the day and night.

[Observer]

 

Ramm has been a judical apologist from way back.  I do believe that he has been placed on the boards by the "powers that be" in Aruba to defend rulings in the Natalee Holloway case.  There was a time that Joran and Paulus were defended also but ... I took notice when he was posting on the SM forum that he did back down to some extend.

Janet

He know's defending Joran he will lose all credibility but Paul Van Der Sloot is another story.

[Observer]

Just got this Google Alert:

http://www.pr-inside.com:80/former-suspect-s-mother-wants-probe-into-r382954.htm

Former suspect's mother wants probe into Natalee Holloway investigation

It's the only way they will ever solve this case unless the persistence finds her.MO 

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[Sam]

If Ramm is such an ordinary Dutch person how does he know all there is to know about the legal system?  The way it changes according to the situation how could he know it inside and out?  I always believed he was a Dutch legal person feeding us information and we were suppose to suck in all in.  Actually, I always thought he is Paulus.

Just mention Ben King's crimes that he did to Mr.Matthews,Corrupt Dutch Judges,Aruban Tourism stats or any involvement of Paul Van Der Sloot and he will come running. He's related to someone,probably Ben King or the Van Der Sloots. He most certainlly is not your avg Dutch citizen with no ties to this case.

I know this will not be a popular opinion here but it is my opinion.

I very much appreciate Ramms interpretations as well as his translations. I do not think he is related whatsoever to the Van der Sloots.

If he were he would defend them and he does not. He also does not defend Aruba and the way this case was treated. he does defend his home country just as most of us defend ours.

I see folks here who try to keep this forum for Justice for Natalee being shot down or criticized and it bothers me. I have never seen any post by Ramm where he made disparaging remarks about Natalee or her family. I was under the impression that is why we are all here is seeking Justice for Nat.

If you have never read Rammsteins site ,please take a look. I must admit his language is a little rough. Again just my opinion.

http://rammsteinsopinions.blogspot.com/

[dennisintn]

Just got this Google Alert:

http://www.pr-inside.com:80/former-suspect-s-mother-wants-probe-into-r382954.htm

Former suspect's mother wants probe into Natalee Holloway investigation
 
© AP
2008-01-12 01:37:01 -


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - The mother of a former suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba said Friday in a television interview she hopes there will be an investigation into the investigation that failed to find a trace of the U.S. teenager since she vanished in 2005.

«I would like the investigation
to continue,» said Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, one of three youths extensively interrogated by police and prosecutors.
«I would also like to see an investigation into the investigation,» she added.
Joran, Anita and Paul van der Sloot appeared on the Dutch late-night talk show Pauw & Witteman in what was billed as the family's last television interview about the case.
Anita van der Sloot said her family, as well as Holloway's family, needed answers.
«I think it's also very important that for them _ for everybody, but particularly for them _ there has to be clarity,» she said. «Then we can move on. As long as that doesn't that happen, there will be questions, there will be fingers pointing at Joran.
Holloway went missing May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to the U.S. She was on the final night of her school graduation trip to the island.
Van der Sloot and two other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the night of her disappearance.
They were questioned early in the investigation and again late last year before being released when they refused to answer any questions. All three deny involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Prosecutors now say they cannot prove a crime was committed without a body.
Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of Holloway, who was 18 at the time of her disappearance, but the Aruban prosecutors have said they believe she is dead.
Authorities in Aruba say the case against the three could be reopened if additional evidence surfaces. But if they were to go to trial now with virtually no hope of guilty verdicts, they would lose the opportunity to try them later if strong evidence emerges.
Joran van der Sloot talked little during the show and made no new revelations about the case. When asked if he believed Holloway is still alive, he said he doubted it.
«If a person has been missing for three years, you would be a very bad person if you see everything that has gone on and don't come forward with a sign that you are alive,» he said. «And if she is still alive, I think she is being held somewhere against her will.

now, all of a sudden, she's putting her family in the same position as natalee's family?  horse apples, what an absolute crock of it.  i didn't think i could feel any more contempt for a group of people than i all ready did.  but now she's dropped to a level even beneath contempt.
dennisintn

[ldstlou]

Just got this Google Alert:

http://www.pr-inside.com:80/former-suspect-s-mother-wants-probe-into-r382954.htm

Former suspect's mother wants probe into Natalee Holloway investigation
 
© AP
2008-01-12 01:37:01 -


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - The mother of a former suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba said Friday in a television interview she hopes there will be an investigation into the investigation that failed to find a trace of the U.S. teenager since she vanished in 2005.

«I would like the investigation
to continue,» said Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, one of three youths extensively interrogated by police and prosecutors.
«I would also like to see an investigation into the investigation,» she added.
Joran, Anita and Paul van der Sloot appeared on the Dutch late-night talk show Pauw & Witteman in what was billed as the family's last television interview about the case.
Anita van der Sloot said her family, as well as Holloway's family, needed answers.
«I think it's also very important that for them _ for everybody, but particularly for them _ there has to be clarity,» she said. «Then we can move on. As long as that doesn't that happen, there will be questions, there will be fingers pointing at Joran.
Holloway went missing May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to the U.S. She was on the final night of her school graduation trip to the island.
Van der Sloot and two other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the night of her disappearance.
They were questioned early in the investigation and again late last year before being released when they refused to answer any questions. All three deny involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Prosecutors now say they cannot prove a crime was committed without a body.
Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of Holloway, who was 18 at the time of her disappearance, but the Aruban prosecutors have said they believe she is dead.
Authorities in Aruba say the case against the three could be reopened if additional evidence surfaces. But if they were to go to trial now with virtually no hope of guilty verdicts, they would lose the opportunity to try them later if strong evidence emerges.
Joran van der Sloot talked little during the show and made no new revelations about the case. When asked if he believed Holloway is still alive, he said he doubted it.
«If a person has been missing for three years, you would be a very bad person if you see everything that has gone on and don't come forward with a sign that you are alive,» he said. «And if she is still alive, I think she is being held somewhere against her will.

OK..I am going to PUKE!!!!!! This is so absolutely offensive!!!

[ldstlou]

If Ramm is such an ordinary Dutch person how does he know all there is to know about the legal system?  The way it changes according to the situation how could he know it inside and out?  I always believed he was a Dutch legal person feeding us information and we were suppose to suck in all in.  Actually, I always thought he is Paulus.

Just mention Ben King's crimes that he did to Mr.Matthews,Corrupt Dutch Judges,Aruban Tourism stats or any involvement of Paul Van Der Sloot and he will come running. He's related to someone,probably Ben King or the Van Der Sloots. He most certainlly is not your avg Dutch citizen with no ties to this case.

I know this will not be a popular opinion here but it is my opinion.

I very much appreciate Ramms interpretations as well as his translations. I do not think he is related whatsoever to the Van der Sloots.

If he were he would defend them and he does not. He also does not defend Aruba and the way this case was treated. he does defend his home country just as most of us defend ours.

I see folks here who try to keep this forum for Justice for Natalee being shot down or criticized and it bothers me. I have never seen any post by Ramm where he made disparaging remarks about Natalee or her family. I was under the impression that is why we are all here is seeking Justice for Nat.

If you have never read Rammsteins site ,please take a look. I must admit his language is a little rough. Again just my opinion.

http://rammsteinsopinions.blogspot.com/

I was so suspicious of Ramm..but I have had a chance to chat a little with him via pm's I think he is on the up and up and though he drives us nuts sometimes..lol..I think his heart now is in the right place.

[private eye]

Sure---Joran's cocky and brazen with Mommy and Daddy sitting nearby.

But it's Joran who isn't man enough. He wasn't man enough to take Natalee safely back to her hotel.

And he still isn't man enough to admit to his involvement in Natalee's disappearance and take his punishment like a man.

Instead he hides behind Mommy and Daddy and lets everyone else suffer--including Natalee's family and friends and the everyday citizens of Aruba. Joran doesn't care as long as HE doesn't have to go to prison.

He is an arrogant little sexually confused punk, who apparently needs his ass kicked, and kicked, and kicked.

[ldstlou]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

Parenting is so hard...well GOOD parenting at least. Great job!!!
I always tell my little guy being brave does not mean you don't get scared, being brave means you are scared but you do the right thing despite your fear.

[Magnolia]

If Mr. Rammstein is such a lovely person, why would he be ugly
to ******* on a Dutch Blog?  ******* was only stating facts.

[klaasend]

If you're listening to Dana Pretzer right now, he is talking with the woman who has the Taser Parties - pretty interresting.  Come over to Musing to discuss tonights Dana Pretzer show.

[crazybabyborg]

Sure---Joran's cocky and brazen with Mommy and Daddy sitting nearby.

But it's Joran who isn't man enough. He wasn't man enough to take Natalee safely back to her hotel.

And he still isn't man enough to admit to his involvement in Natalee's disappearance and take his punishment like a man.

Instead he hides behind Mommy and Daddy and lets everyone else suffer--including Natalee's family and friends and the everyday citizens of Aruba. Joran doesn't care as long as HE doesn't have to go to prison.

He is an arrogant little sexually confused punk, who apparently needs his ass kicked, and kicked, and kicked.

  I'd love to be the one to do it! I hate all the mileage that Anita gets out of spinning their story. They've gotten far enough away from the incident to be able to point to the undeniably botched and orchestrated cover-up and use it, again, to their advantage. In the meantime, Natalee Holloway is dead and her family is devastated, with no closure, and only questions. Justice is as elusive as the tooth fairy. BOYCOTT ARUBA!