Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[private eye]

Joran showed not only his ass and true character, but also what a sissy he is when he ran off after throwing the water at DeVries. He was afraid DeVries would kick his ass:))))))))))Real tuff Joran. Just like a 2 year old

[private eye]

After watching this does anyone still believe that the Aruban police couldn't break Joran into talking?

[sirensong]

JVDS behaving badly once the cameras are off.  Who would have thought?

Yes, Peaches and then he expects us all to believe he was "scared" of the Americans at his house that night, that is why he had to lie.  He is such a POS.  I hope Anita gets what she wishes for-an investigation into the investigation.  Don't these interviews give us such a  great look at what   kind of people the   Sloots really are?  Keep talking a..holes!!  Telling DeVries  to apologize-does  he get that kind of  behavior from his dad?  Probably.

[sirensong]

I know we have discussed this -- but how is Devries "perceived" in The Netherlands? Is he more like Geraldo or more like Mike Wallace?

I have respect for his tenacity in investigating some crimes, but on the whole, I have close to zero respect for the guy.

LOL, how about Joran.   Respect for him?  Anita, Paul?  After reading about that incident, I find it curious this it what you would say.

[Observer]

After watching this does anyone still believe that the Aruban police couldn't break Joran into talking?

I am convinced Joran did break in the 1st or second day of interrogation. Before that he told a lot more of the truth before his statements were changed or destroyed.

[CJ1]

After watching this does anyone still believe that the Aruban police couldn't break Joran into talking?

Aruban and Dutch police might not be able to, but just about anyone else could.

[sirensong]

I know we have discussed this -- but how is Devries "perceived" in The Netherlands? Is he more like Geraldo or more like Mike Wallace?

I have respect for his tenacity in investigating some crimes, but on the whole, I have close to zero respect for the guy.

most of the people i know say the opposite

but thats ok, people can heve their own opinion

i have zero respect for the aruba LE as well as the Dutch LE

 

Exactly, Robots.  Might I add, we have no respect for the Judges, the prosecutors or the so called "laws" that the Dutch seem to think so highly of.  The justice system depends on the honesty, integrity and truthfullness of the people in office.  Perfect set up for corruption.  JMO

[ldstlou]

ldstlou......Renfro didn't write it....and gwen didn't write it...
gwen posted it at RU ....she got the post from Oprah's site. The person who wrote it is someone who doesn't care for Joran ( or so they say).
It IS obvious it was someone FROM RU though.

gotcha thanks, I always get renho and gwen mixed up...imagine that!!! lol

[ldstlou]

Posted on the front page of SM by MAGS (from the NL):

Last night in Holland, Joran van der Sloot and his parents were interviewed on TV by the team Pauw en Witteman. Crime investigator Peter R de Vries was also there. The boys parents did all they could to make Joran look like a nice stable boy who would not harm a soul. To the question: did you ever doubt your son? the father answered: never. The mother said: I did have my doubts at first and thought: oh, no, not again…”

Joran showed upo with a baseballcap on his head, not a common attire in Holland.
He would never clarify questions asked about his lies. But what did happen…. Right after the show closed he threw a glass of red wine into the face and eyes of Peter R. de Vries.
Not a very nice stable boy now, is he?

The father, btw, had advised his son when he was arrested the second time this november, to not say anything. Why? was the question…. “because everything had already been said”…
had it….? this is what so many people wonder. He lied about how he came home that night, he refuses to confess how he did come home.

what a nightmare for the parents and friends.
mags in holland

remember our discussions in the lounge about trusting your gut!!!
HEEEELLLLLOOOO ANITA!!! You thought "oh know not again" because your gut told you the truth!!!!

[Tylergal]

Did I hear correctly today on Fox, that Anita wants the investigation investigated?  Hmmm, oh, please.  Anita, you can join OJ, another perpetrator who wants the investigation investigated since he is the victim, like your son, Anita.  All stalkers and especially stalkers who murder, are said to claim they are the victims rather than the perpetrators.  Makes me go hmmm.

[San]

Did I hear correctly today on Fox, that Anita wants the investigation investigated?  Hmmm, oh, please.  Anita, you can join OJ, another perpetrator who wants the investigation investigated since he is the victim, like your son, Anita.  All stalkers and especially stalkers who murder, are said to claim they are the victims rather than the perpetrators.  Makes me go hmmm.

The Sloots gave an interview Tyler.  Do you want the link to the translation.

There is also a video of the interview.

[San]

The show is up

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Here is the link to the interview again just in case people missed it.

[San]

Posted by EURobert on the front page of SM - transcription of the show last night:

Transscript and translation of last nights Pauw en Witteman tv-show (Please excuse me for all the grammatical and typing errors that will be in here; it’s to time-consuming to do it flawless…. Mr. Witteman’s first name is Paul so I’ll call PaulvdS: ‘Paulus’; that’s easier for me… To not get confused…)

Witteman: Good evening. Yes, Joran van der Sloot was brought back to Aruba end of november to be interrogated. That interrogation produced nothing. He was let go and the case was dismissed.
Pauw: Joran is here, together with his father Paul and with his mother Anita to have as they themselves say, their last tv-interview about this case.
Witt.: Here as well is Peter R. de Vries who has made a television-documentairy about the NH-case and the role JvdS played, and who has his doubts. He has called Joran a lier, so their is something to be discussed.
Pauw: (Looking at Joran) Yes, well.., you can confess now, so we have that behind us…? … … … … Are that the jokes you hear the most? Or what are you bothered with more Joran?
Joran: Well, I’m not really bothered by others.. But you have to keep making jokes. As you just said yourself… else you don’t get through all this.
Pauw: Do you have the feeling now that the whole matter is over now… or do you still have the feeling that if you somewhere hear a sirene… that could be for me?
Joran: Well… Not really like that but uh it’s something that you’ll never forget. It’s something… It sticks with you all the time. You best just keep going on but… It’s something you won’t easily forget. But I think in the judicial sense it now is over yes.
Pauw: Are you addressed on this often?
Paulus: Uhhmmm… No, actually not so… I’m not addressed on this often. Uhh… All-days live goes it’s normal way… And the people at Aruba have had it with this.
Witt.: Yes, they’ve had it with this… But do they believe you?
Paulus: Uuhhm… I think so.
Witt.: So if you walk the streets you don’t think: ‘Oh they look at me… Maybe indeed a murderer… Or some other creepy-person…?’
Paulus: No, I don’t have that feeling at all. No it’s on the contrary very remarkable… uhhh… such a small community as Aruba is… and as it has had very much negative effects because of all this… That they keep and kept being supportive towards us. That has uh amazed us and… it has… our hearts… strengthened… as well. (Unintelligible.)
Witt.: Were you bothered by it?
Anita: Uhhm… Well I wasn’t bothered by it so much… You know that there is talk… I mean in every community… there is talk about what has happened. Actually… uhm, uhm, it was more like… the people they were very supportive. Neighbours, people you didn’t know at all, that still came to you… We lived on Aruba for almost twenty years… And people know Joran from the time he was very small… They saw Paul or me pushing the pram… And a former teacher of him that came by who said: ‘Well this can not at all be possible… Such a sweet kid…’ So that you felt as if this story must have had a different cause… Something else is going on… And… uh, the support… Well it sounds very strange but… it was very big. Really very big.
Witt.: Well, now the case is dismissed, in the judicial sense over with.., is that the reason you agreed to sit at the table with Peter R. de Vries?
Paulus: Well yes we have allways uh, said that uh, as soon as uh, this case us no longer in court.., when uh, the OM uh, is no longer prosecuting it, we uh, are willing to give uh, another interview, in uh, a reliable tv-show. Uh… To show we have nothing to hide. (I have to skip all the ‘uhs’ here now… the’re just to much of them.) And it is so that all this publicity has had a very big impact on this case. It has even at some point taken over it. We thought that as long as this case is going on it was not right to get in the lamplights - however at some times it was necessary - because we didn’t want to frustrate this investigation in any way.
Witt.: Yes, well uhm, Peter R. de Vries is here… He’s tried before… on Aruba as well, to get in contact with you… We’ll show a little clip how that sometimes went. (Clip of PRdVries at Jorans student-house in Arnhem, confronting Joran with fabricated photo of him with Natalee.)
Pauw: Well there were, before we started this show, some jokes made at this table like: ‘Well Peter… where’s your hidden camera…’ Well that hidden camera is not here right now. Peter, you have tried to get in contact with the VanderSloot-family a couple of times to have interviews… So you didn’t just walk behind them with your hidden camera… Do you understand something of the answer of Paul van der Sloot?
PRdV: No, to be honest, I don’t understand very much of that. I think it’s strange to hear him say here, he has nothing to hide, and he didn’t want to frustrate the investigation… But than I have to notice that they did nothing to help the case. Because Joran vdS has when he was at Aruba the last weeks, and could explain all his actions / conducts, maybe could end the mysteries, maybe could shed some light on that.., he has for weeks ‘kept his molars close on top of each-other’ (dutch expression = didn’t speak). Has not spoken a word, not answered one question! That is not what PvdS says…… this nice saying ‘We have nothing to hide’. Then I think… If you are innocent… and you did nothing wrong… why don’t you just tell your story, why don’t you answer questions from the police? The fact that you just kept your jaws closed (dutch expr.) I think in these circumstances is very strange…..
Pauw: Let’s agree that somewhat later in this show on this question, this is one of your questions but you have more of them, get answers from Joran or his father or mother… But first we…
Peter: Yes…. Just give hime some time to think…..
Pauw: Yes… So you have time to find the ‘right’ answer… (LOL) But firs before we talk about this whole matter let’s give the people at home a small summary of what has all happened and what is known… (CLIP of the NH-case)
Witt.: Were you suprised that you were re-arrested?
Joran: yes, off course… I uh… hadn’t expected that at all… I thought they were joking me… when the police arrived at the door… telling me ‘you’re under arrest again’… Because yes, uh I knew they could have nothing on me… so why would they again….
Witt.: Well it was said that there were new facts, so there were new grounds to arrest you again and take you to Aruba to interrogate you.
Joran: Yes, but I knew that would be impossible… that… that…
Witt.: But what than did you think… if it was impossible, what would be the reason they arrested you again?
Joran: Well I don’t know… Maybe I thought somebody has falsely stated against me, or something bad was said about me. I don’t know… Something like that… That’s what I thought… In that direction… Maybe something like that.
Witt.: And what did it turn out to be?! Because… You got there… You were interrogated…
Joran.: Well there turned out to be abslolutely nothing. No new evidence at all… Just old statements that they looked at in a different way.
Witt.: How did the interrogation go?
Joran: Well, just as mr. De Vries said, I just kept silent. I didn’t say anything.
Witt.: Why not?
Joran: I don’t have any trust anymore in the OM at Aruba… I think that they…. they are not trying to find the truth… or trying to find out what happened in this case. They are just literally doing…. they just want somebody to hang for this…

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More to come….

Joran: … they just want somebody to hang for this… They just want for their own egos to… That they themselves come good out of this…
Witt.: Even if it is an innocent person as well…
Joran: Yes, even if it is an innocent person as well. I’m convinced of that.
Peter: Well I think it’s a bit awkward that you say the Aruban OM is not trustworthy where it was you who lied all the time?!
Joran: Yes I lied and I admitt that but there were reasons for that and you don’t know them and….
Peter: Yes! I would like to know those reasons! … To lie about what you have done where you supposedly have nothing to hide!? Why do you have to lie then, tell me that?!
Joran: Well I did that extensivly in my book allready. And you have read that so you allready know the reasons.
Peter: But you are here now to tell your story or…?!!!
Witt.: Let’s agree that we the second part of the show will give you the opportunity to do that but first let’s tell the story of the VdSloot-family according to the rules we’ve in advance agreed on with Joran namely that we first look at what actually happened. Because you say I kept my mouth shut. I didn’t tell them anything more and they didn’t come up with anything new. Were those interrogations despite that tough?
Joran: Uhmmmmm… Well in fact compared to the first ones they were not. They turned out less tough than I’d expected. There was a Dutch detective-team that told THEIR story and in fact it was just speculating what they did. The allready talked in terms of ‘a girl that was dead’, you name it, where in fact it’s just a missing girl.
Pauw: That is all in the file is it… Because in the file of the judge-commissionar it says that it has to be put first that there are strong indications that Natalee is dead.
Joran: I would like to now that know as well…
Pauw: Because there is now evidence you know of she’s dead?
Joran: (Shakes his head.)
Pauw: Well, Deepak Kalpoe had stated that ‘her death was not good’?
Witt.: One of your friends there…
Joran: Yes, that uhhh… I don’t know either how that has went/gone (?) exactly… That’s something you should ask them.
Pauw: Didn’t you ask that to them ever? Like: ‘What have you said now?’
Joran: No (Unintelligible.)
Pauw: But what did you say than?
Joran: No I never asked him that. I uh, I mean we were so often interrogated by the police and we’ve in the beginning made so many statements… And I have allready said all there is to tell. So I think also… Yes… Why do I have to make the same statements twenty times to the police? I think that… the only thing they try is to find a little difference in them…
Pauw.: What we do here Joran, is just citing the report of the Judge-commissionar who has used that at Aruba. In this way Deepak Kalpoe stated that her death was not good, has Satish Kalpoe - which is the other friend or brother, what is it exactly? …
Joran: His brother.
Pauw: … Kalpoe thinks that suspect - you - has hit her to death, you yourself supposedly have stated about the burying of Natalee Holloway? That are some hard fact because of which you suggest that indeed something IS going on?
Joran: Yes, … I, I, … It’s three years ago now and in the beginning we’ve been really treated tough by the police and made to say things that we… wouldn’t say ourselves. And yes I have the feeling they made me want to say things that weren’t true.
Pauw: Did you never say… Or have you never spoken about burying Natalee Holloway?
Joran: No I have never discussed that with the pollice.
Anita: Can I go into that for a moment?
Witt.: Off course.
Anita: Uhmmm… When Joran was arrested for the first time I was the only one who was allowed to see him. Because he was a minor and they wanted to keep out Paul because of his function. Uhm, I have spoken to Joran some times but only short, some 15 to twenty minutes. And I am his mother. I love him very dearly. And I’m really convinced he wouldn’t do anything to that girl. These first emotions, these are very important to me… to see them in him as well… For a moment I doubted him. I’ve thought… By Jingo, could an accident have happened? Has something happened? Doesn’t he want to tell… He is just having his final exams… He knows he has final-exams-celebrations… He has a girlfriend… so he’s cheated on her… His father will be very angry with him… Etc. etc…. So I very directly spoke with him and one of the confrontations… that I came over there… And I was taken by an Aruban detective… And Joran was very upset… He before that was beset for hours and hours… Words were put in his mouth… which he never said… that were put to paper but that he never signed. And they showed that to me…: ‘This is what he said!’
Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family.
Anita: I can explain that as well… So you can hear it from my own mouth… Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own… And Joran as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens… And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him… That he came home way to late… Uhm… I’m rather strict… Maybe even sometimes I was a little to strict… And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life… that he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted I youth-psychiatrist… He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen… He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conlusive-conversation after that. And that was it… So it was really not just about lying…
Peter: What I now think is striking is that they have no confidence what soever in the judicial authorities. where at the same time it hasn’t been a long time ago that Paul vd Sloot did his very best to work in that organisation.
Pauw: As a judge you mean…
Peter: As a judge. I think it’s striking that suddenly there is so little confidence in that organisation…
Paulus: Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckely we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.
Witt.: The judge has said: the case must be dismissed, there is to little evidence, Joran is free! Well let’s for a minute get back to that prosecution before Joran was released because Joran just said they wanted to frame me; that’s what it came to it.

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More to come…

 NOTE - i'LL ADD TO THIS POST WHEN MORE IS TRANSLATED AND POSTED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF SM

More of the show translated by EURobert:

Next bit…

Witt.: Well let’s for a minute get back to that prosecution before Joran was released because Joran just said they wanted to frame me; that’s what it turned out to be.
Joran: Well it was more like… In the beginning… the first time I was arrested they were rather tough with us: they sticked pictures of the girl to the wall… And uh, they told me as well… these two brothers… They played us off against eachother. Suggested that we had said things about eachother that were… That weren’t true all the time…
Witt.: But you all had learned the same story?
Joran: Yes.., we had agreed on… we had agreed on that… in advance…
Pauw: That you had taken her to a hotel… And that she was so unstable she had to hold on to a pillar… And I think that all three of you up to the pillar, told the same story?!
Joran: Yes but everyone had added their own things to it…
Pauw: But why did you do that? Why did you agree on making up this particular story?
Joran: Yes.., yes… Why this story? I just was scared at that moment… Those parents suddenly were at our house… And yes… I didn’t have a clue either what to do next.
Pauw: And so you decide the three of you to make up one story and this is how we’re going to tell it.
Peter: You just can tell the truth can you, when nothing happened? There’s no reason to lie is there?
Joran: Yes, I don’t think the truth sounds that good if you have to say you left a girl at the beach.
Peter: So you think a lie sounds better than the truth?
Joran: Well I didn’t know how serious this all was. I didn’t know there was a serious problem.
Peter: That’s exacly why it is so strange to lie!? When you don’t know that there is a serious problem there is no reason to lie at all!? That’s exactly the strange thing of lying here!?
Pauw: Peter… Peter you a father of a teenager, well maybe that’s a bit insipid, father of a young daughter… You can imagine you do something… leaving a girl at the beach… Let’s just tell I decently brought her back…. Such a little lie you can imagine can you?
Peter: No, I can’t imagine that Jeroen… I think you must try to see the psychology behind that. When he doesn’t know what has happened to that girl and she, after she slept away her drunkenness, simply shows up again then he is really caught lying! The fact that he nevertheless tells this lie you can interpret as: he knew he wouldn’t get caught telling this lie. Because he knew Natalee wouldn’t show up again!
Witt.: Don’t you think you look at this in a to much argumentual way? We talk about a seventeen year old boy who is confronted with the parents of girl that possibly has disappeared, maybe think that she is murdered and look at him, then you get in a panic don’t you think? In that case you may not immediatly tell them ‘Yes, I left her at the beach’.
Peter: Well I think it’s always the best option to simply tell the truth especially when you’re…
Witt.: But as a reality-reporter you must know there are exeptions to this rule…?
Peter: Yes, and most of the time they have good reasons.. But in a situation that nothing has happened.., there were no wrongdoings.., the girl herself wanted to stay there.., or get home by herself… than that’s what you say don’t you? The fact that you don’t do that AND THE THREE OF YOU IN A VERY SMART WAY MAKE UP A STORY… I think that’s suspicious.
Joran: I think it’s bad that I lied myself as well and that’s what I regret the most. If I had came forward with the truth at the beginning I think everything would have gone very different. And I think that as well is one off the reasons mister De Vries thinks the way he thinks but when you just look at the facts in this case… The timeperiod I was with this girl, being home after that, going to school the next day, and other things… What then do you try to say I have done?
Peter: If you want to discuss the facts, than tell me how you got home that night?
Joran: I was taken home by Satish…
Peter: Yes… And he denies that! He says I didn’t take him to his home at all! And first you stated that you were brought home by Deepak!!?? Not by Satish!!! Those are things as well that put you in a…..
Joran: Mister De Vries… I don’t know if you ever…
Peter: Why should they lie?
Witt.: Give him a change to answer this….
Joran: …if you ever were interrogated by the police…. in a murder case…
Peter: (Unintelligible. Something like ‘Yes I was’…)
Joran: In a murder-case?!
Peter: No… Not where I was a suspect…
Joran: The way I was interrogated was no pleasure…
Peter: And you know….
Joran: The only thing you think of is wanting to go home… So there are things you say that…. Yes… If you’re being promised you can go home… or it can help to get you home… than there are things you say that… (Unintelligible.)
Peter: (Unintelligible.)
Witt.: (Unintelligible.) Peter! Especially you know that people confess a murder that they didn’t commit. (In the past PRdV has gotten some people out of jail that indeed had confessed to committing a murder after being put under very strong pressure.)
Peter: And what does that has to do with this?
Witt.: Because in this way you can miss the truth.
Peter: But… How DID you get home?
Joran: I just told you that!?!
Peter: But those two brother denie that and from the email… from the sms- and chat-contacts that were there it shows up clearly that they didn’t bring you home.
Joran: That’s what you draw from that… But that’s not true at all… I think it indeed DOES show that.
Pauw: Back to your father if you don’t mind… You were judge-in-training I believe… And now you’re lawyer… And you have a son… and that son is interrogated, and this son tells a story of which you later find out…. Did you tell hiim yourself (to Joran)… Or how did you find out that it was a lie? You know… Dropped her off at the hotel and so on…
Joran: Yes… He heard that from the police.
Pauw: What did you think then?
Paulus: Well we were angry… So then we learned that Joran didn’t tell the truth…

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Paulus: Well we were angry… So when we learned that Joran didn’t tell the truth Anita and I just were very angry at Joran.
Pauw: A girl is missing and your son is a suspect and on top of that he has lied…
Paulus: Yes, yes, for us that was incomprehensible. That, that, … not just that he lied but he kept that lie up / kept on lying for a long time. That was… yes that was incomprehensible to us. We were very angry about that at that moment.
Pauw: Did you at that point say to him: ‘as long as there is no body there is no case’?
Paulus: No, I’ve never said that. That’s a term that you drop here now but…
Pauw: It’s put in the book like this as well…
Paulus: Yes.., but that term was used by the then Public Prosecutor, uh after I uh.. had had an interview with Twan Huys (dutch tv), of which the message was… well, we’re not the victims… let’s first concentrate on this girl… Let’s try to find that girl back. And she then, the next day, didn’t pick up that message and she said “Yes, this father, this (Unintelligible.) concerned father. But, he has instructed these guys: ‘No corps no case’, and that’s the reason why they are stating this way.” That was the only thing, and that off course is the heart of the matter, that I from the start on have said, this is a missing-case! This is not a criminal case. And that in my opinion is the big mistake that the OM has made: from the start they were talking about murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, rape… when there was no evidence for that. And later everything is getting in a certain light and now two and a half years later that has been corrected, but that has been very unfortunate.
Peter: I don’t think were are here now to assume this girl is still alive?!
Witt.: We’ll get to that later. Let’s get back a minute. You worked there as a back up judge. Imagine… This is a strictly hypothetical question… Imagine Joran telling you, a confidant par excelence in this family maybe, listen dad, I did something horrible… What would you have done in that case? I would have gone with Joran to the Public Prosecutor! Did you discuss this scenario with one another?
Paulus: What do you mean?
Anita: (Unintelligible. Something like: I, as a parent? Yes)
Witt.: You would agree with that?
Anita: Yes.
Witt.: You would have informed the police against your son?
Anita: Yes.
Joran: And I uh, can confirm that…. (LOL)
Witt.: You mean they would have threatened you with that?
Joran: No I think they would have done that yes.
Paulus: There would have been no doubts about that. I btw was amazed that a lot of people think that you could be able to hide something like this. For me that would have been absolutely strange. There would have been absolutely no doubts about that.
Pauw: Have you have doubts? Was there a moment you thought maybe he did it? That maybe an accident had happened and …
Paulus: No actually I have never doubted it one time.
Anita: I did.
Paulus: I have always seen the way Joran was with girls… He was not able to do that… I’m sure of that. He would, if anything would have happened to that girl, he would have acted accordingly.
Witt.: Yes, let’s talk a minute how Joran was with girls… He’s in his book very frank about it… For him it apparently was or is easy to seduce girls… So easy that you can question yourself if it always happened with the decency that has to go with that proces in comparison with someone who has much more difficulties getting in contact with girls and is much more courteously. For example you don’t write very respectfully about Natalee…
Joran: No… I am very respectfull towards girls. I have for example never pushed a girl (can’t hear it 100% right and don’t know what he means with that). Or did something wrong to a girl.
Witt.: Well there was talk of “the bitch this” and “the bitch that”. And you hardly knew this girl and still you were intimate with her. And after that leaving her there alone? These are not things that proof you have high respects for women.
Joran: No but it symply was so that I was in the casino and I was by her girlfriends invited to go out. And one thig led to the other and she wanted to come with us as well. She invited me to dance with her. Not that I didn’t want it but….
Witt.: No, it’s about this Joran. Your father says: ‘What we know of Joran is that he doesn’t do wrong things with girls. Opposite to that is the fact that you left her at the beach, you cheated on your own girlfriend not just with Natalee but with another girl as well… That is not evidence of a principle respect you have for these women?!
Joran: Well I can not, uh, I uh, well uh… Well maybe you’re right about that. Yes.
Witt.: But returning to the father, maybe you exaggerate the ‘respectfull’ way Joran behaves towards women?
Paulus: I have always seen that Joran respectfully treated girls. And we’ve discussed that as well. So for me it’s incomprehensible that a girl that wasn’t totally well was left behind by him.
Anita: He has had two times a longer relationship and that girl visited our house, we knew her parents, we knew that girl. And he is still in contact with that girl and we are - she still calls me ‘Mam’. He was with her for nine months, that girl was sixteen… That girl has very strongly defended Joran after that. After that there were some other dates. I think, and again I work with teens, 16, 17 and 18-year olds, that is very normal behaviour for a 17 year old boy. Well there were many telephone-calls normally, like: ‘Is Joran at home?’, ‘Can I speak to Joran?’ Well at a certain point Joran had his own telephone so we didn’t keep an eye on it anymore. But I have never seen, nor at our school because, he was at my school, I did see him a lot there off course, again I’ve never seen anything of bad behaviour…
Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…
Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…
Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …
Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.
Witt.: Okay, we now go as agreed with Peter R. de Vries about his approach and your reaction to that but first we’ll watch todays news. (Newsclip)
Pauw: Okay, Peter R. de Vries as we announced earlier

BUMP

[San]

BUMP

[San]

Every time I look at the picture of Anita I want to smack the hell out of her.  That fat lying POS.

[ldstlou]

Paulus: Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckely we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.

OK...you just said it all paulus...you have faith in the judges because they made sure to it your son's crime was covered up!!! you a-hole!!! so sorry!!! crap..we have been saying this for 2 1/2 years!!! Pualus had the judges cover for him!!!

[Tibrogargan]

Private Eye - it's my understanding that Peter de Vries is a crime journalist.  He claims to have solved cases that others couldn't solve.  He's one of those people you either love him or hate him.  I've seen many Dutch posters that love him.

The program last night was not his show, he was a guest on the show. 

Edited to add:  Here is a link to the Peter de Vries show website

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Thanks Klass I love the interviewer, show, host, or guest whomever it was:)) I would have a little understanding for Joran and discount it except he HAD TO BE PREPARED, HAD TO EXPECT IT, AND IS STUPID ENOUGH TO KEEP TALKING AND ACTING SO ARROGANT!!!!!!!!!!AND HAD BOTH PARENTS AT HIS SIDE. NOTICE THAT ANITA DIDN'T EVEN BLINK

Good morning, monkeys.

I am still back on Page 21 reading so have not read all your comments yet about the show.
My initial thoughts are that Joran behaved just as expected - no manners, no self control and a very short temper.  He showed himself to be the undisciplined and selfish jerk we have all thought of him as being.

Anita as usual was in cover-up mode and trying to make a very bad situation appear normal, whilst knowing a lot more than she will admit.  She should be better at it after all these years of cleaning up after her husband and son than she appeared to be on this video.

But my greatest impression was of Paulus - a lawyer and a would-be judge who should be used to being in front of an audience or court and speaking fluently (remember this interview is in their native tongue) without all the ums and ahs, which were so numerous that our translator had to omit them from the transcript.  This indicates to me his guilt even more than the sweating episode did at the Sloot's own house when meeting Beth and Greta.  I keep trying to push aside that theory that Paulus was more closely involved with Natalee but this interview did nothing to dispel my fears in this regard.

I am sure other monkeys have observed and already commented on the above but the whole episode was so sickening to watch that I felt I had to comment if only for my own sanity.

God bless Beth and all of Natalee's family.

[Anna]

Haven't see the comments of Peter DeVries after the booze-throwing episode posted.  If it has been, please delete:

Translated by Lazlo:


Transcript of the NOS radio interview with de Vries and Witteman:

De Vries: I did not see it (coming) myself, but the moment when I was not watching Joran threw a glass of red wine into my face, and it was alcohol so it itched for a while, it was a strange ending of the program.

Interviewer: The ending was sort of tense wasn't it?

De Vries: Well I think the end was not that...

Interviewer (interrupts) : Well he did not believe that you would ever apologize if it turned out to be something else.

De Vries: Well that is his good right to not believe that. But other then that, the broadcasting was spicy but did not get out of hand or anything. So I was very surprised that after the show he then suddenly throws a glass of wine into your face.

Interviewer: What do you think about this?

De Vries: Well this tells something about Joran of course.

Interviewer: What? (does it say about Joran?)

De Vries: That he cannot control his behavior.
His parents did their best to insist during the broadcasting that their son was well mannered, that he always was correct with girls, that there were so many things he would just never do.
Then I think to myself, well this probably was something the parents would have agreed upon in advance also our child would never do something like that.

Interviewer: He was standing here, he does not want to talk to us, he said this was the last interview we ever gave.
Ehm, his mother was very angry with him.

De Vries: Yes his mother of course was embarrassed hugely, she had tried so hard to protect her son, and to present him as a well mannered young man.
On the moment that after such a conversation he does something like this then everything the parents tried to do he destroys that with such an act of course.

Interviewer: What a strange ending of the broadcasting!

Paul Witteman:Yes, horrible. And ridiculous!
This did not make any sense at all.

Interviewer: How do you feel about the program?

Witteman: I found it exiting and balanced.

Interviewer: Ppl who were watching claim you have allowed Joran to talk very lengthy.

Witteman: Yes, he was of course the main guest. And Peter de Vries can take very good care of himself that was obvious in this broadcasting, verbally that is.
And we now had the occasion to get the discussion going between these two, and that had not happened prior. So we let that happen.
But a fact is that Joran van der Sloot was released, was interrogated in many ways, that the justice in Aruba does not see grounds for prosecution, and that juridically then there is something like, then it has to be over with, that is why we made the show now, as in; what now, ho to go from here.

Interviewer: I had the feeling you were defending Joran at times during the show towards Peter de Vries.

Witteman: I honestly feel that Peter de Vries, who of course has investigated, in Aruba, but he did not found much damaging material that would make Joran closer to the qualification of a murderer, and that is why I feel why Joran during such a program, when he is being called a liar over and over again, I do not feel it being not correct to defend your guest a little bit. That would go the other way around also by the way.

Interviewer: And what Joran van der Sloot then does at the end, how would you want to qualify that?

Witteman: Incredible and hugely stupid.
I mean it was of course the intention of the family van der Sloot to come her and show they want to continue their lives, and that they want to leave this case behind them, but that will be difficult as long as the body of Natalee has not been found, and when you want to get at least some understanding of the public, you of course should not perfrom things like this (referring to throwing wine).

Interviewer: How would you describe this broadcasting?

Witteman: The broadcasting itself, I found it to be very good and exciting.

Interviewer: The ending though was sort of strange.

Witteman: Dramatically, and nasty and incredible.


http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-343390/
 
 

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8130.135

Translation by Lazlo posted at BFN by Debbie.

[wreck]

Someone stated that the wine throwing occurred during the running of the credits. I have not watched the show yet -- is it there????

[ldstlou]

Haven't see the comments of Peter DeVries after the booze-throwing episode posted.  If it has been, please delete:

Translated by Lazlo:


Transcript of the NOS radio interview with de Vries and Witteman:

De Vries: I did not see it (coming) myself, but the moment when I was not watching Joran threw a glass of red wine into my face, and it was alcohol so it itched for a while, it was a strange ending of the program.

Interviewer: The ending was sort of tense wasn't it?

De Vries: Well I think the end was not that...

Interviewer (interrupts) : Well he did not believe that you would ever apologize if it turned out to be something else.

De Vries: Well that is his good right to not believe that. But other then that, the broadcasting was spicy but did not get out of hand or anything. So I was very surprised that after the show he then suddenly throws a glass of wine into your face.

Interviewer: What do you think about this?

De Vries: Well this tells something about Joran of course.

Interviewer: What? (does it say about Joran?)

De Vries: That he cannot control his behavior.
His parents did their best to insist during the broadcasting that their son was well mannered, that he always was correct with girls, that there were so many things he would just never do.
Then I think to myself, well this probably was something the parents would have agreed upon in advance also our child would never do something like that.

Interviewer: He was standing here, he does not want to talk to us, he said this was the last interview we ever gave.
Ehm, his mother was very angry with him.

De Vries: Yes his mother of course was embarrassed hugely, she had tried so hard to protect her son, and to present him as a well mannered young man.
On the moment that after such a conversation he does something like this then everything the parents tried to do he destroys that with such an act of course.

Interviewer: What a strange ending of the broadcasting!

Paul Witteman:Yes, horrible. And ridiculous!
This did not make any sense at all.

Interviewer: How do you feel about the program?

Witteman: I found it exiting and balanced.

Interviewer: Ppl who were watching claim you have allowed Joran to talk very lengthy.

Witteman: Yes, he was of course the main guest. And Peter de Vries can take very good care of himself that was obvious in this broadcasting, verbally that is.
And we now had the occasion to get the discussion going between these two, and that had not happened prior. So we let that happen.
But a fact is that Joran van der Sloot was released, was interrogated in many ways, that the justice in Aruba does not see grounds for prosecution, and that juridically then there is something like, then it has to be over with, that is why we made the show now, as in; what now, ho to go from here.

Interviewer: I had the feeling you were defending Joran at times during the show towards Peter de Vries.

Witteman: I honestly feel that Peter de Vries, who of course has investigated, in Aruba, but he did not found much damaging material that would make Joran closer to the qualification of a murderer, and that is why I feel why Joran during such a program, when he is being called a liar over and over again, I do not feel it being not correct to defend your guest a little bit. That would go the other way around also by the way.

Interviewer: And what Joran van der Sloot then does at the end, how would you want to qualify that?

Witteman: Incredible and hugely stupid.
I mean it was of course the intention of the family van der Sloot to come her and show they want to continue their lives, and that they want to leave this case behind them, but that will be difficult as long as the body of Natalee has not been found, and when you want to get at least some understanding of the public, you of course should not perfrom things like this (referring to throwing wine).

Interviewer: How would you describe this broadcasting?

Witteman: The broadcasting itself, I found it to be very good and exciting.

Interviewer: The ending though was sort of strange.

Witteman: Dramatically, and nasty and incredible.


http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-343390/
 
 

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8130.135

Translation by Lazlo posted at BFN by Debbie.

Hello Anna!! Thanks I had not seen this one before.
I think the sloots have a prerequisite for their interviews, say you are "inclined to believe joran" or we walk!!