Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Tylergal]

I probably would have laughed myself if I had been there. Not with Joran but at him. He hasn't learned the difference yet.

Yes, I would have laughed too out of shock at what had just happened.  Then I'd laugh at what an ASS Joran is.

I am not sure I would have laughed.  I would have been taken aback.  Maybe just the difference in personalities, but I would be horrified to see someone behaving in such a disruptive and obstreperous manner in a civilized setting.  But that's just me.

[Magnolia]

XTC can and does become highly addictive to the user and it is said that it is even harder to kick the XTC habit than cocaine or nicotine.  Along with these drugs that offer delusions of grandeur, come inhibitions and deviant sexual proclivities.  Not saying Joran is living that way, but it is something for one to contemplate.

I don't know much about XTC, but I know if one is drinking a line of cocaine will
counter the effects of the alcohol almost immediately.  Stimulant vs depressant
I guess.  Is XTC a stimulant?  I would not be surprised if Joran is doing cocaine.

[Magnolia]

I probably would have laughed myself if I had been there. Not with Joran but at him. He hasn't learned the difference yet.

Yes, I would have laughed too out of shock at what had just happened.  Then I'd laugh at what an ASS Joran is.

I am not sure I would have laughed.  I would have been taken aback.  Maybe just the difference in personalities, but I would be horrified to see someone behaving in such a disruptive and obstreperous manner in a civilized setting.  But that's just me.

I think it was a shock laugh.  I tend to do that in an unexpected situation.

[klaasend]

I still haven't been able to watch the video, it just keeps buffering.  Wish I could then I'd get more screen captures 

[Observer]

XTC can and does become highly addictive to the user and it is said that it is even harder to kick the XTC habit than cocaine or nicotine.  Along with these drugs that offer delusions of grandeur, come inhibitions and deviant sexual proclivities.  Not saying Joran is living that way, but it is something for one to contemplate.

I don't know much about XTC, but I know if one is drinking a line of cocaine will
counter the effects of the alcohol almost immediately.  Stimulant vs depressant
I guess.  Is XTC a stimulant?  I would not be surprised if Joran is doing cocaine.

I'M not sure whats it's classified under but it should be a stimulant. I have been told the high you get are a cross between lsd and crystal meth..Total body high but you are totally alert,lots of energy and they trip out similar to lsd but not as intense.

Not the type of drug you would give to someone if you wanted to rape them or film them against there approval. XTC normally comes in a pill form. What they probably gave Natalee was liquid xtc or ghb. Where she would be in and out of consciousness and would not remember anything after she woke up. Similar to the 3 that came forward against Joran. The first girl said she woke up and Joran was sexually assaulting her.

[crazybabyborg]

No video yet but some photos are showing up 

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3008566/_Joran_gooit_wijn_naar_Peter_R.__.html?p=16,1

Joran's behavior says more than all of the spinning that Anita and Paulus tried to do.
Don't you know they are soooo proud of their fine lying POS son.

This looks very pre-planned with the host in the loop with Joran. Notice, as soon as he does this, he looks back for approval from the host, who appears to have tucked his head because he knew in advance, and tucking his head gives him that old "I didn't see it coming" alibi.

It looks to me like the host is grinning!!

I agree, Sunny.  He looks like he had tuck his head to keep from laughing and instead, flashed a grin at Joran, as an approving nod.  I suspect this was staged.

Tyler...I think I agree...look, no reaction from anita at all

I'm not so sure there isn't a reaction from Anita. If you look at the frame where the wine hits him in the face, then go to the next one, Anita turns toward the direction of DeVries and is looking down.......I'm sure there is wine splatter/spill in the direction she is looking on the chair or floor. She didn't see it happen and may not have even realized what Joran has done at the point in the last frame. The next several frames would be interesting.

I'm also not so sure the host knew what Joran was about to do either and the grin could have been unrelated. It takes a minute to grasp what happened when something as bizaare as that occurs.

[sirensong]

When you go to the last picture of the set (of Joran throwing the wine) and enlarge it, I don't think the host is smiling-there is a background that makes it look like that.

I watched some of the video, and it is VERY interesting to watch the family VDS.  The body language is very telling.  I swear there are times Joran is thinking "oh Anita, shut up".   At one point Anita looks at Paul while Joran is talking, as if she was watching his reaction to what Joran said.  Joran just widens his  eyes blinks and smiles like he is oh so innocent.  The only person he is fooling is his mother.

[Magnolia]

I still haven't been able to watch the video, it just keeps buffering.  Wish I could then I'd get more screen captures 

Klaas,
I am sure you know this, but it kept buffering for me until I clicked
up in the top right corner a little box that says RSS.
Then it ran fine.

[Observer]

I still haven't been able to watch the video, it just keeps buffering.  Wish I could then I'd get more screen captures 

I watched the whole thing but can only save the screen captures in Opera Browser If I could do it in IE then I could capture much better pics and bigger.

[sirensong]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

[klaasend]

I still haven't been able to watch the video, it just keeps buffering.  Wish I could then I'd get more screen captures 

Klaas,
I am sure you know this, but it kept buffering for me until I clicked
up in the top right corner a little box that says RSS.
Then it ran fine.

No, I didn't know that, lolol    I'll try again.

[private eye]

I probably would have laughed myself if I had been there. Not with Joran but at him. He hasn't learned the difference yet.

Yes, I would have laughed too out of shock at what had just happened.  Then I'd laugh at what an ASS Joran is.

He looked so pathetic that I almost feel a little pity for him. He needs help, obviously, and apparently has no one who can help him. I don't know what Anita thinks is going to happen to save him barring him confessing to this. Once he is fully grown, this ingrained on him, she is no longer going to be able to get him the help that he needs. And life will deal with him.

[private eye]

I still haven't been able to watch the video, it just keeps buffering.  Wish I could then I'd get more screen captures 

Klaas,
I am sure you know this, but it kept buffering for me until I clicked
up in the top right corner a little box that says RSS.
Then it ran fine.

No, I didn't know that, lolol    I'll try again.

Let us know if that doesn't work

[Observer]

When you go to the last picture of the set (of Joran throwing the wine) and enlarge it, I don't think the host is smiling-there is a background that makes it look like that.

I watched some of the video, and it is VERY interesting to watch the family VDS.  The body language is very telling.  I swear there are times Joran is thinking "oh Anita, shut up".   At one point Anita looks at Paul while Joran is talking, as if she was watching his reaction to what Joran said.  Joran just widens his  eyes blinks and smiles like he is oh so innocent.  The only person he is fooling is his mother.

The body language and expressions are very interesting. Peter stares them down eye to eye and Joran and Paul look right back with nasty looks. Not much standing in the Van Der Sloots way now a days in holland except this guy..Peter De Vries certainly looks like he is one person who thinks the sloots are FOS.

[dennisintn]

I probably would have laughed myself if I had been there. Not with Joran but at him. He hasn't learned the difference yet.

Yes, I would have laughed too out of shock at what had just happened.  Then I'd laugh at what an ASS Joran is.

He looked so pathetic that I almost feel a little pity for him. He needs help, obviously, and apparently has no one who can help him. I don't know what Anita thinks is going to happen to save him barring him confessing to this. Once he is fully grown, this ingrained on him, she is no longer going to be able to get him the help that he needs. And life will deal with him.

his victims will have to deal with him.  until one of them turns the tables and kills him.
dennisintn

[private eye]

Go to this link and click on link to the right of picture by the article

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

There is a problem with the link posted on sm I think.

[robots]

Anita has gained more weight


Paulus is 100 percent the manin the video at the casino

maybe Peter should have asked him that


ohhhhhhh thats right
we already knew that 

[Magnolia]

When you go to the last picture of the set (of Joran throwing the wine) and enlarge it, I don't think the host is smiling-there is a background that makes it look like that.

I watched some of the video, and it is VERY interesting to watch the family VDS.  The body language is very telling.  I swear there are times Joran is thinking "oh Anita, shut up".   At one point Anita looks at Paul while Joran is talking, as if she was watching his reaction to what Joran said.  Joran just widens his  eyes blinks and smiles like he is oh so innocent.  The only person he is fooling is his mother.

The body language and expressions are very interesting. Peter stares them down eye to eye and Joran and Paul look right back with nasty looks. Not much standing in the Van Der Sloots way now a days in holland except this guy..Peter De Vries certainly looks like he is one person who thinks the sloots are FOS.

There is one point where Anita is talking and they zoom on Joran's face and
he looks like....oh, I have got her right where I want her.

[klaasend]

Still can't really watch the video, keeps buffering and I don't have an RSS thing to click on    I was able to sit through it long enough for a couple of screen captures:








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[klaasend]

Go to this link and click on link to the right of picture by the article

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

There is a problem with the link posted on sm I think.

Nope, that's the same link I'm using.