Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[San]

XTC can and does become highly addictive to the user and it is said that it is even harder to kick the XTC habit than cocaine or nicotine.  Along with these drugs that offer delusions of grandeur, come inhibitions and deviant sexual proclivities.  Not saying Joran is living that way, but it is something for one to contemplate.

Well if you aren't saying Joran isn't living that way I will  .  Joran is into drugs big time.  He looks like a dirty ball.

[San]

Still can't really watch the video, keeps buffering and I don't have an RSS thing to click on    I was able to sit through it long enough for a couple of screen captures:








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http://www.printkey-pro.com/index.htm

I love using PrintKey.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm almost speechless at this incident in the studio. We're getting a very candid inside glimpse of Joran that he could not excercise control over, even in a venue where the eyes of the world are trained on him.

Joran seems to take a quick visual sweep and then leans over, arm extending across the table toward DeVries, and slings the liquid hard enough to make quite a splash at close range directly in his face. Without the next frames, it's hard to conclude much further, but Joran doesn't release DeVries from his stare; he is intent on watching the damage he's inflicted. Look at Paulus; he has no idea from beginning to the end of the frames what has occurred, and it hasn't registered yet with Anita either, IMO. If this was pre-planned, it was only in Joran's mind, IMO.

And what he WANTED to do superceeded everything else. Joran had no ability to follow the pre-set purpose of the family appearing on the show. You know they did it to improve perceptions that they covered up a crime that brought harm not only to Natalee, but to the entire island. You know they discussed it and had an objective they wanted to further by doing it. Joran couldn't control his anger or violent impulsiveness to get through one interview, even with his family flanking him. To Hell with their reputations, to Hell with the cameras, to Hell with respect for elders or those in authority, to Hell with the cameras..............Joran was angry and that's enough to overide anything else.

Joran had his buttons pushed, and he was angry and that was enough to impulsively react and obliterate any common sense or decency.

Joran had his buttons pushed, and he was angry and that was enough to impulsively react and obliterate any common sense or decency.

It's not the first time. It won't be the last.

[private eye]

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

[Tamikosmom]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

sirensong ... I agree!  The first though when I saw the photo of Joran and Paulus ... "PAULUS!"  "THE CASINO VIDEO RECORDING!"

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

[Observer]

I love using PrintKey.

Thanks girls,I am not on my mac so these are all new to me..I was using 2 screen grab programs and neither would capture the video for some reason IE or Safari.

I like the beginning part of the vid when peter stares down both Joran and Paul 

[private eye]

I loved the part where the video of Beth pops up asking Joran that all she wants to know is where did he place Natalee after he was thru raping her!!!!!!!!!

Towards the end Joran almost is in tears and is red in the face.

[crazybabyborg]

What does PrintKey do? Does it allow you to freeze a frame from a video?

[private eye]

Did the last link play?

[klaasend]

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Nope, still buffering.  Don't worry about it, it's ok. 

[Observer]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

sirensong ... I agree!  The first though when I saw the photo of Joran and Paulus ... "PAULUS!"  "THE CASINO VIDEO RECORDING!"

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

[wreck]

Nice look to go national TV to present your most positive appearance to the world, Joran!

He looks like a Charles Manson starter kit.

[private eye]

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Nope, still buffering.  Don't worry about it, it's ok. 

You might try emptying your cache

[klaasend]

What does PrintKey do? Does it allow you to freeze a frame from a video?

Well almost all videos allow you to STOP them then RESUME.  What printkey does is allow you to take screen captures of anything, including videos when you stop them. 

[private eye]

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Nope, still buffering.  Don't worry about it, it's ok. 

You might try emptying your cache

It is good viewing even in Dutch

[wreck]

This is fantastic screen capture software:
http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categories/mmedia/FastStoneCapture.html

"Faststone Capture"

[private eye]

It is as if he is slowly being tortured as he realizes where this is headed and then it slowly progresses there. Not near as bad as he did to Natalee but the best we have so far

[Tamikosmom]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

sirensong ... I agree!  The first though when I saw the photo of Joran and Paulus ... "PAULUS!"  "THE CASINO VIDEO RECORDING!"

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

 

*******

What is the link?

Thanks

Janet

[Observer]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

 

*******

What is the link?

Thanks

Janet

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

Wreck:Fastone works great but my trial ran out so now I have to buy it for 20 bucks

[crazybabyborg]

Nice look to go national TV to present your most positive appearance to the world, Joran!

He looks like a Charles Manson starter kit.