Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[wreck]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

 

*******

What is the link?

Thanks

Janet

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

Wreck:Fastone works great but my trial ran out so now I have to buy it for 20 bucks

The link I gave is for version 5.3 (still a completely free version)

[Buckeye]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

[Tamikosmom]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

 

*******

What is the link?

Thanks

Janet

http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=274

Wreck:Fastone works great but my trial ran out so now I have to buy it for 20 bucks

******* ... what page?

Thanks

Janet

[robots]

joran has a gambling problem
to me it is OBVIOUS

he steals and wheels and deals to get money to feed his addiction

the taking of Natalee was about raping her AND stealing whatever money she might have had and whatever money they thought they could get from her..

joran steals money and tries to steal souls

he is the devil

[Tamikosmom]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

GREAT CATCH BUCKEYE!!!

[MuffyBee]

Maybe Joran is wearing the hat because he thinks it make him appear less Frankenstein-like.  He DOES have a prominent forehead.  Or maybe he is losing his hair? 

[robots]

the player with the dice on his hat



 

[Observer]

And I forgot to say:  That DEFINATELY is Paulus on the casino video.....  Did he change what arm he wears his watch on, or has  it always been left?

I posted images of who we think is paul in the casino on that dutch board..I wonder what they thought of it?

 

*******

What is the link?

Thanks

Janet

Janet

I just posted it again on page 1 and posted it earlier on like page 23 or something. I had to post a link because pics you cant post on that chat,so they will have to copy and paste to see the pics.

Another good thing to post is what diario reported when Paul was denied his money. That he told people,was on wire tap and witnesses that said he picked Natalee and Joran up at 4am and had two contacts with Natalee before she dissapeared. I have yet to see any reporter ask Paul about that.

[Buckeye]

Maybe Joran is wearing the hat because he thinks it make him appear less Frankenstein-like.  He DOES have a prominent forehead.  Or maybe he is losing his hair? 

There were some, not so subtle hints, that his new look was quite Canadian and that he would be playing hockey soon.  I got the impression they wanted to start rumors of him going to Canada. 

[San]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

I agree Buckeye.  They are not tortured and Joran is not losing one night of sleep over this.  The reason why Joran would be a little tortured is because everyone is watching all his moves and they know he is a rapist murderer.  This is not allowing him to continue his lifestyle as he would like to.  Which would be drugging, kidnapping and raping tourists.  That itself is torturing Joran.

[klaasend]

Was able to get it to play a little better but it's still "choppy".  Anway, here's a shot of Joran when he's getting mad at DeVries about something:

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe Joran is wearing the hat because he thinks it make him appear less Frankenstein-like.  He DOES have a prominent forehead.  Or maybe he is losing his hair? 

There were some, not so subtle hints, that his new look was quite Canadian and that he would be playing hockey soon.  I got the impression they wanted to start rumors of him going to Canada. 

 

[robots]

playing hockey...

what a perfect way for someone to knock him on his ass 

[private eye]

They are either complete idiots for going on the show or they were paid a lot of money

[memphis]

I'm almost speechless at this incident in the studio. We're getting a very candid inside glimpse of Joran that he could not excercise control over, even in a venue where the eyes of the world are trained on him.

Joran seems to take a quick visual sweep and then leans over, arm extending across the table toward DeVries, and slings the liquid hard enough to make quite a splash at close range directly in his face. Without the next frames, it's hard to conclude much further, but Joran doesn't release DeVries from his stare; he is intent on watching the damage he's inflicted. Look at Paulus; he has no idea from beginning to the end of the frames what has occurred, and it hasn't registered yet with Anita either, IMO. If this was pre-planned, it was only in Joran's mind, IMO.

And what he WANTED to do superceeded everything else. Joran had no ability to follow the pre-set purpose of the family appearing on the show. You know they did it to improve perceptions that they covered up a crime that brought harm not only to Natalee, but to the entire island. You know they discussed it and had an objective they wanted to further by doing it. Joran couldn't control his anger or violent impulsiveness to get through one interview, even with his family flanking him. To Hell with their reputations, to Hell with the cameras, to Hell with respect for elders or those in authority, to Hell with the cameras..............Joran was angry and that's enough to overide anything else.

Joran had his buttons pushed, and he was angry and that was enough to impulsively react and obliterate any common sense or decency.

Joran had his buttons pushed, and he was angry and that was enough to impulsively react and obliterate any common sense or decency.

It's not the first time. It won't be the last.

Well said CBB, and I agree 100%.

[Tamikosmom]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

As Beth would say ... "This is huge, Greta!"

Janet

[robots]

They are either complete idiots for going on the show or they were paid a lot of money

complete idiots - is a given

so they must have been paid
 

[hotping]

playing hockey...

what a perfect way for someone to knock him on his ass 

Good One Robots! LOL!!!

[private eye]

Watching all of you dissecting their every word and video clip of this video validates my thought that Beth has a mighty band of supporters. Amazing!!!!!

[Tamikosmom]

playing hockey...

what a perfect way for someone to knock him on his ass 

Good One Robots! LOL!!!

... but ... but ... NOT CANADA!!!