Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Magnolia]

Was able to get it to play a little better but it's still "choppy".  Anway, here's a shot of Joran when he's getting mad at DeVries about something:

He has a PIG nose.

[private eye]

Warriors is a more apt description.

Joran doesn't have a chance and I predict that he is going to brought to his knees by public opinion, suffering a far worse fate than if he just told the truth.

Anita, can you not see the writing on the wall? I know you love him, so what in the hell are you waiting on? He needs your help, you need to do the right thing, not for just for Beth, but for Joran.

[robots]

playing hockey...

what a perfect way for someone to knock him on his ass 

Good One Robots! LOL!!!

[memphis]

Thanks for finding and posting the video, translations and pictures. That was some great entertaining. Who'd a thought that Joran would show the world who he really was. 

Some things I noticed/thought about while watching the video....

Paulus drank all of his wine before the halfway mark of the interview. Everyone else barely touched theirs, except the host on the left.

Paulus sat stooped, with elbows on the table just like he did in the casino video. He sat like that the entire time. He even drank his wine just like he did in the casino video. 

I wonder if Paulus put antiperspirant all over his face? Seemed like his head was getting damp, but where was his sweat? Maybe part of the agreement was for the studio to be cold.

I too very much enjoyed PRDV's steely stairs. Too funny. He thinks as much of the VDS's as we do.

[klaasend]

I was just at a website looking at the HURLEY clothing line and noticed a Hurley hat much more suited to Joran's pimp'n lifestyle:

[Kermit]

LOOKS like a watch he is wearing to me

[sirensong]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

Yes, great catch Buckeye!  You should post it in the comments section of the P&W website.  Or better yet, DeVries site.  Anita is too much.  She is so afraid they didn't investigate Natalee and her family, when it was her sporter doing all the lying, drinking and gambling underage.  Did you notice how Paulus spoke up about Natalee's "profile"?  Again, here is a person living on Aruba that thinks every female tourist has a background that could be blamed for getting herself into trouble.  Let's say it together Robots!  "I HATE THEM ALL"

[Magnolia]

I can't believe that Anita and Paulus let Joran go on the show
looking like he did.  He looked nasty.
It just made him look more like a preditor. Anita and Paulus
had at least cleaned up.

[Anna]

I think Joran the sociopath per FBI enjoys the notoriety.  And I do hope his parents feel like the utter fools he made of them with that stunt at the end of the interview. 

They were trying so hard to feign normalcy and he blew it big time for them.

Joran is the product of their rearing which evidently was also supported by a society that says nothing is wrong.  Prostitution and pornography are both legal.  Gambling is not only legal but major local industry.  Under-aged gambling and drinking are also condoned.  One in five of the island inhabitants uses cocaine per our DOJ stats.  Remove the elderly and children and that's a lot of the adult population.

With these two enablers for parents and that societal background, I doubt Joran could feel guilt if he tried, not that he is going to do that.  And Anita lying for him like that with the whole world watching, just disgusting and totally dysfunctional.

I think they have all created a real monster who thinks he can do no wrong and is entitled to do just anything at all that he wants to do.  Sloots have no control over him and he doesn't care one bit if he makes them look like total fools before the whole world.

[klaasend]

I think Joran the sociopath per FBI enjoys the notoriety.  And I do hope his parents feel like the utter fools he made of them with that stunt at the end of the interview. 

They were trying so hard to feign normalcy and he blew it big time for them.

Joran is the product of their rearing which evidently was also supported by a society that says nothing is wrong.  Prostitution and pornography are both legal.  Gambling is not only legal but major local industry.  Under-aged gambling and drinking are also condoned.  One in five of the island inhabitants uses cocaine per our DOJ stats.  Remove the elderly and children and that's a lot of the adult population.

With these two enablers for parents and that societal background, I doubt Joran could feel guilt if he tried, not that he is going to do that.  And Anita lying for him like that with the whole world watching, just disgusting and totally dysfunctional.

I think they have all created a real monster who thinks he can do no wrong and is entitled to do just anything at all that he wants to do.  Sloots have no control over him and he doesn't care one bit if he makes them look like total fools before the whole world.

Yep, I agree 100%

[Kermit]

SAME WATCH PAULUS WORE IN CASINO SITTING NEXT TO NATALEE




PAULUS NEW WATCH

[Anna]

I was concerned for a second that Anita was going to snatch that photo Joran had photoshopped of himself with Natalee right away and maybe tear it to shreds.

Also wondered could she not have seen it before?  She became very agitated when deVries had that photo right beside her for some reason.

Perhaps it's because there is no explanation for it other than a sick one.

[memphis]

I can't believe that Anita and Paulus let Joran go on the show
looking like he did.  He looked nasty.
It just made him look more like a preditor. Anita and Paulus
had at least cleaned up.

I wondered the same thing.
Plus, Paulus and Anita were very well rehearsed. They modulated their voices (especially Anita) and reactions. They didn't quite hold up as well when things started getting heated, though.

Once again, I suspect Joran did what he wanted to do, and appeared as he wanted to appear, regardless of how he may have been advised.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Was able to get it to play a little better but it's still "choppy".  Anway, here's a shot of Joran when he's getting mad at DeVries about something:

http://www.hurley.com/

[crazybabyborg]

Remember the Greta interview? Greta said she was absolutely certain of one thing; Joran's parents tried hard to keep him from doing it at all. They haven't had control of him in a long, long time.

[Kermit]

I don't believe any of them are feeling tortured.  They are mad and in coverup mode.  They would have us believe that they believed the HI story until Joran changed it when arrested...or until Freddy spilled the beans.  Anita in a Libelle interview mentioned Paulus calling her, in Holland worried that Joran was the last with the girl.  Now this:

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying.

Yes, great catch Buckeye!  You should post it in the comments section of the P&W website.  Or better yet, DeVries site.  Anita is too much.  She is so afraid they didn't investigate Natalee and her family, when it was her sporter doing all the lying, drinking and gambling underage.  Did you notice how Paulus spoke up about Natalee's "profile"?  Again, here is a person living on Aruba that thinks every female tourist has a background that could be blamed for getting herself into trouble.  Let's say it together Robots!  "I HATE THEM ALL"

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

VAN SUSTEREN: Including your son?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Including my son, yes. He should have been held. He should have been interrogated from the beginning on.

[San]

I think Joran the sociopath per FBI enjoys the notoriety.  And I do hope his parents feel like the utter fools he made of them with that stunt at the end of the interview. 

They were trying so hard to feign normalcy and he blew it big time for them.

Joran is the product of their rearing which evidently was also supported by a society that says nothing is wrong.  Prostitution and pornography are both legal.  Gambling is not only legal but major local industry.  Under-aged gambling and drinking are also condoned.  One in five of the island inhabitants uses cocaine per our DOJ stats.  Remove the elderly and children and that's a lot of the adult population.

With these two enablers for parents and that societal background, I doubt Joran could feel guilt if he tried, not that he is going to do that.  And Anita lying for him like that with the whole world watching, just disgusting and totally dysfunctional.

I think they have all created a real monster who thinks he can do no wrong and is entitled to do just anything at all that he wants to do.  Sloots have no control over him and he doesn't care one bit if he makes them look like total fools before the whole world.

I agree Anna.

[Anna]

"This says something about Joran, of course," De Vries said in an interview with NOS radio broadcast Saturday.

"He doesn't have complete control over his behavior."

Show host Paul Witteman said Joran's action was "incomprehensible and incredibly stupid" because they undermine his credibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322388,00.html


Oh, goody!  Fox picked up on the real story, the one where Joran shows the whole world his respect for others and self control.

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[Tylergal]

Paulus was obviously drinking to subdue himself.  He did not want to upstage the controlling fishwife.

But, Anita was very condescending in her demeanor, a real yenta. 

I expected her to call out to the Monkeys at any moment, daring the proletariat poltroons of little worth, the hunt-and-peckers of lowbrow verbiage to question the narcisstic charm and low bigotry of the Duke of Aruba!  Her starry-eyed approval of her wonderboy shown through like the brilliant white bras beneath the gauzy chocolate blouse.

[klaasend]

"This says something about Joran, of course," De Vries said in an interview with NOS radio broadcast Saturday.

"He doesn't have complete control over his behavior."

Show host Paul Witteman said Joran's action was "incomprehensible and incredibly stupid" because they undermine his credibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322388,00.html


Oh, goody!  Fox picked up on the real story, the one where Joran shows the whole world his respect for others and self control.

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Wow, thanks for seeing that Anna!