Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning Monkeys

I have scan this thread twice and ... cannot locate the link to the segment pertaining to Joran's temper tantrum.  Could somebody please provide it for me?

Thank you.

Janet
7:30 AM

[Helen Back]

Was able to get it to play a little better but it's still "choppy".  Anway, here's a shot of Joran when he's getting mad at DeVries about something:

He has a PIG nose.

Hey Monkeys,

Missed you guys for a few days, but ssee you have all been hard at work, as usual.

Man, that's a nasty little Crust-Stache and starter beard Joran has going on!  *shiver*  From the Charles Manson Starter Kit!  Wreck, you kill me!

In my opinion, Joran, is trying to change hi appearance.  Welcome to OJ's World, Joran!

[klaasend]

Janet - here's the youtube CBB posted last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mqdBSFwpyw

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - here's the youtube CBB posted last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mqdBSFwpyw

Thanks Klaas

Yesterday I viewed a much longer segment and .... was trying to locate it.

Janet

[igsigs]

That Boy Ain't Right

No surprise. The family dynamic plays out live - for all to see. The sociopath, the enabler and the empty shell.

Joran choosing DeVries as a target an obvious taunt ... that DeVries will respond to. I hope.

Anyone that thinks that the ALE 4 on the case are capable or motivated - i have a Natural Bridge in Aruba for sale.

[klaasend]

Janet - here is the link to the entire program:

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

[private eye]

Joran has incriminated himself with his own actions and words. Repeatedly lying, before anyone even knew for sure that Natalee was indeed missing, bragging of his sexual exploits with her while she was passed out in the car, framing the 2 security guards, confessing, being recorded talking as if he is guilty, leading the police to where he claimed her body was buried, heeding the adivce of his dad who is an attorney who was training to be a judge to not talk because without a body there is no crime, etc.

There is nothing Beth can do or say to make him look anywhere near as guilty as he has done all on his own. And that includes being the last known person to be seen with her.

The icing on the cake is that he now shows the world via TV that his lack of anger control proves that he is capable of not just rape, and illegally disposing of a body, but of murder as well.

I wouldn't be surprised at all one day if he doesn't actually produce a video of the crime to impress his friends and TV viewers. He knows he won't be prosecuted because of it. Bangbus.com might even pay him for it.

[texasmom]

The Oprah shows are taped so they may not be able to include this latest incident.  Maybe someone here knows Beth and can find out if it was already taped.  In my area Oprah comes on in the morning and then is replayed at 11:00 p.m.  Could be the same elsewhere. 

I'm told the show will not be taped until Tuesday, so there's time 

I hope they include this then. 

What's with the unshaved unkempt look? 

   

I have been thinking a lot about this and I think that when he was released from KIA and had pictures taken while unshaven at release time, that some of his girly groupies told him he looked 'hot' so he decided to keep the 'look'...perhaps even Guido told him he looked 'hot' 
He's got that George Michael kinda thing goin' on. 

 

[klaasend]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3012123/_Moeder_Joran_maakt_excuses__.html?view=print

Moeder Joran maakt excuses
door een onzer verslaggevers
FILMPJE Direct na het incident kwam de moeder van Joran van der Sloot om excuses te maken.
 
 


Peter R. de Vries: "Ze schaamde zich dood. Tijdens de uitzending had ze juist zitten vertellen dat Joran een doodnormale, keurige jongen is. Ze bood haar excuses aan en zei dat het nooit had mogen gebeuren."



Enige tijd later bood ook Joran zelf diverse keren zijn excuses aan de misdaadverslaggever aan. De Vries heeft de excuses aanvaard: "Ach, iedereen was het erover eens dat hij met deze daad vooral zichzelf een slechte dienst heeft bewezen. Als dit het ergste is wat je alsmisdaadverslaggever moet incasseren."



Pauw en Witteman reageerden geschrokken


Posted by Dutchdad at BFN:

Well , officially the wine-incident is closed now. Immediately after it happened Anita apologised for the behavior of het son , and Joran (who had left the studio after the incident) later came back and apologised more than once to Peter de Vries. De Vries accepted Joran's apologies , so that was the end of it.

Which will of course not mean it all will be forgotten now. The damage is done.

And I suppose this interview showed also something else to the American public: Peter R. De Vries is not a nice guy if you draw his attention the way J2K have. He will not let go , and he is known to keep this up for years if he has to.
It also showed that the Dutch people are still interested in this case , and want it to be solved.

[private eye]

That Boy Ain't Right

No surprise. The family dynamic plays out live - for all to see. The sociopath, the enabler and the empty shell.

Joran choosing DeVries as a target an obvious taunt ... that DeVries will respond to. I hope.

Anyone that thinks that the ALE 4 on the case are capable or motivated - i have a Natural Bridge in Aruba for sale.

I am still not sure Poppa Van Der Sloot didn't participate in the rape himself, and in fact, his participation may be the reason she had to be drugged in the first place.

While Ms Sluut is away, the Mr Sluut wanted to play. What is killing her is that she knows what a perverted jack ass he is, and she knows it is true, once again.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - here is the link to the entire program:

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Thank you Klaas

I do have link to the interview but ... I know that late yesterday afternoon a link was posted that accessed the the wine throwing incident.

Klass the video appeared on my computer to be in slow motion so ... it could have very well could have only appeared to be longer. 

Thanks again.   

Janet

[private eye]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3012123/_Moeder_Joran_maakt_excuses__.html?view=print

Moeder Joran maakt excuses
door een onzer verslaggevers
FILMPJE Direct na het incident kwam de moeder van Joran van der Sloot om excuses te maken.
 
 


Peter R. de Vries: "Ze schaamde zich dood. Tijdens de uitzending had ze juist zitten vertellen dat Joran een doodnormale, keurige jongen is. Ze bood haar excuses aan en zei dat het nooit had mogen gebeuren."



Enige tijd later bood ook Joran zelf diverse keren zijn excuses aan de misdaadverslaggever aan. De Vries heeft de excuses aanvaard: "Ach, iedereen was het erover eens dat hij met deze daad vooral zichzelf een slechte dienst heeft bewezen. Als dit het ergste is wat je alsmisdaadverslaggever moet incasseren."



Pauw en Witteman reageerden geschrokken


Posted by Dutchdad at BFN:

Well , officially the wine-incident is closed now. Immediately after it happened Anita apologised for the behavior of het son , and Joran (who had left the studio after the incident) later came back and apologised more than once to Peter de Vries. De Vries accepted Joran's apologies , so that was the end of it.

Which will of course not mean it all will be forgotten now. The damage is done.

And I suppose this interview showed also something else to the American public: Peter R. De Vries is not a nice guy if you draw his attention the way J2K have. He will not let go , and he is known to keep this up for years if he has to.
It also showed that the Dutch people are still interested in this case , and want it to be solved.

Did you ever get to watch the video?

A firm stare and legitimate questions don't make Mr DeVries a bad man. Its a shame he could not have raised Joran. None of this would have happened, and Joran and Natalee would have bright futures.

[klaasend]

Janet - here is the link to the entire program:

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6213320

Thank you Klaas

I do have link to the interview but ... I know that late yesterday afternoon a link was posted that accessed the the wine throwing incident.

Klass the video appeared on my computer to be in slow motion so ... it could have very well could have only appeared to be longer. 

Thanks again.   

Janet

Janet - I'm really not awake yet but the only video I've seen of the wine throwing was that short one CBB posted and I just saw that this morning.

[klaasend]

This may have already been posted:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/world/story/253583.html

Ex-Holloway suspect in talk show spat

By TOBY STERLING
Last updated: January 13th, 2008 05:03 AM (PST)

A former suspect in the disappearance of an American teenager in Aruba threw wine in the face of a crime reporter after they appeared together on a talk show and the reporter challenged his honesty.

Joran van der Sloot appeared on the Dutch television program Friday night in what was billed as his last television interview about the case. Prosecutors in Aruba, where Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005, have said they don't have enough evidence to charge him with a crime, although he remains a "person of interest" in what is now a cold case.

Van der Sloot, who denies any wrongdoing, appeared mostly relaxed throughout the TV appearance, despite remarks from crime reporter Peter R. De Vries challenging his honesty.

At the end of the Pauw & Witteman program, Van der Sloot and De Vries had a testy exchange in which Van der Sloot questioned whether De Vries would "be man enough" to apologize if evidence exonerating him came to light.

The live show ended with guests shaking each others' hands. Van der Sloot stood up, then abruptly grabbed a glass of wine and leaned across the table to toss the contents directly in De Vries' eyes at a moment when the reporter was looking down. That segment was broadcast Saturday night by a different news program, Nova.

Van der Sloot initially told investigators he last saw Holloway when he dropped her off at her hotel, but later he said he left her on the beach near her hotel. He has acknowledged the initial lie, and said he regrets it.

Holloway disappeared on May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to Mountain Brook, Ala. She was on the final night of her school graduation trip to the island.

Van der Sloot and two other former suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were seen leaving a bar with her that night. They were questioned early in the investigation and again late last year before being released. All three deny involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot's Dutch lawyer and the show's producers could not immediately be reached for comment.

"He did it out of a kind of frustration, annoyance," De Vries said on Nova Saturday. "I spoke with him later, and he apologized. And then he said that he actually wanted to curse me out during the broadcast, but he was able to refrain. But at the end, before he knew it, he had thrown the glass of wine in my face."

Show host Paul Witteman said Van der Sloot had told him afterward he had planned the act during the show.

"The further along the show went, the more he was annoyed because he had to explain again and again why he had lied" at the start of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance, Witteman said Van der Sloot told him.

Van der Sloot thought, 'Now I'll grab my chance, now I can do it' (throw the wine), and then he did," Witteman said.

Witteman said he thought the move would damage Van der Sloot's credibility, the opposite of what his family had hoped the effect of appearing on the program would be.

Prosecutors say they cannot prove a crime was committed without a body, but they believe Holloway is dead.

[SarahD]

I think the prosecutor should have proceeded with even a weak case, because it would be easy to "Perry Mason" or "Peter DeVries" him on the stand and gain a conviction via a confession. Rumors of how tuff he was to break in prison must have been absolutely false. I think he enjoyed his stay with 3 square meals a day and all of the sex he wanted. He was in his heaven.

I would not want the prosecutor to continue with a weak case if there was a chance Joran would get off.   I would rather they continue to try to find Natalee's body and then have the evidence they need to convict him. JMO

[Tamikosmom]

The Joran look ...

My son went through a short period last year when he possessed that very look.  The first time I saw it ... I thought I was doing him a favor by pointing out that he had forgotten to shave and comb his hair.  His wife informed me that he had spent 20 minutes in the bathroom to obtain the "look" and ... she thought he looked great.  As most mother-in-laws have learned ... there is a time when enough has been said.   
   

[Dayhiker]

Good morning. I see that Joran's audition for Oprah at least earned him another Youtube appearance. That boy has a flare for the stage:)

The NBC Today morning show just just did a segment on Joran van der Sloot's escapade. Showed the video twice. Good, am glad the U.S. viewers are also getting some insight into the angry out-of-control goon.

If he will show such anger on a national television program we can only imagine what he would do alone if a girl refused his advances.

I missed that, what did the commentators have to say about it?

PI, mainly a straight up news story about Joran van der Sloot going into an outrage on a Dutch television show. They let the video do the talking... twice.

Will be interested in seeing whether Fox and and Joran's friend Greta pick it up. Maybe she can get Tacos spin on why his client can't control his anger and has been to a shrink for his aggression, stealing and lying problems.

[Dayhiker]

"He did it out of a kind of frustration, annoyance," De Vries said on Nova Saturday. "I spoke with him later, and he apologized. And then he said that he actually wanted to curse me out during the broadcast, but he was able to refrain. But at the end, before he knew it, he had thrown the glass of wine in my face."

Show host Paul Witteman said Van der Sloot had told him afterward he had planned the act during the show.

Joran is saying he pre-planned this act. What kind of pent up anger does this hell-hound have that he pre-meditates his aggression.

What did he think ahead of time that he would gain by throwing wine in the face of a crime reporter talk show guest? Is he so selfish for his own release of aggression that he would basically destroy the false image his parents have worked so hard to script for him? The image of a good well-behaved boy Paulus and Anita had just had just spent and hour building up on the show?

What a loser.

[AZSunny]

Watch PVDS after he realizes what happened.  He starts laughing.  So do the hosts.  How sick is that?   I wish we could see Anita's face.  She is probably laughing too.  What a sick individual.  Sick family! I wish  De Vires would sue for assault!

[AZSunny]

Watch PVDS after he realizes what happened.  He starts laughing.  So do the hosts.  How sick is that?   I wish we could see Anita's face.  She is probably laughing too.  What a sick individual.  Sick family! I wish  De Vries would sue for assault!

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