Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Nut44x4]

3 out of 4 wouldn't be a bad guess 

[Kermit]

10.17.2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.
http://tinyurl.com/2mslqw

Dear Mister Jossy,

You must be mistaken. Why Michael Posner is no different then Karin Janssen who rushed in and arrested the Security Guards based upon the three lying witnesses who became suspects for the past 3 years and have gotten
away with a crime because people like the Aruban and/or DUTCH Prosecutors intentionally mis-use your justice system to help criminals.

Judges like BRINK AND SMID AND WITT all intentionally and willfully allowed criminals to be set free. Representatives
of your country went on national media and repeatedly stated evidence must be presented in order to detain the suspects yet the ONLY EVIDENCE presented by Prosecutor Karin Janssen to detain the Security Guards was the lying statements by the kidnappers and murders of Natalee Holloway.

Now, when you can explain that to the American public and the world, then perhaps we would be concerned that
an American mobster & felon has been running your casinos in Aruba. Otherwise it appears that the joke is in Aruba
where criminals run free.

yours truly,

kermit

[Kermit]

Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare 

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that.

lol

EXORCISTS - BOTH OF EM!

[Kermit]

I don't know how it seems to other people, but Beth IS NOT profiting from Natalee's death, and people who think so are simply not aware of her plan, or at least my perception of her plan. She was quoted early on as promising the powers to be in Aruba that she would be the voice of Natalee seeking justice for her until her last breath on earth. Seeking justice for Natalee was to become her new career. In order to do that she began a foundation that allowed her to speak out to large audiences while earning a living doing it, thus "endowing the message" to ensure Natalee's words are heard until justice was found. Writing a book enabled her to further speak out for Natalee in print, memorializing the words of Natalee and the deeds of the guilty for eternity, while once again funding an endowment that will assure her of the ability to live her life speaking out for justice for Natalee.

In order to do this she took a huge risk. She left a very good career working with children, and at the age of, I better withhold that, and while grieving for the loss of her daughter, she embarked on a career of public speaking and book writing even though she had no prior experience or education in either field. This is even more remarkable considering that she had another child due to begin college in a couple of years at that time. Even facing a divorce and life as the sole provider for her and her son she kept loyal to her promise. She never looked back, and never doubted she could be self supporting allowing her to do what she promised Aruba she was going to do, speak out for justice for Natalee, full time, until she breathed her last breath.

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.

This is just my thinking, I don't give a hoot'n nanny about money or money Beth may or may not make/earn/get.
Aruba is responsible for cover-ing up a crime committed against her daughter. A girl who was only 18 years old did not deserve to die. And those responsible all the way up the chain of command - need to be exposed and held accountable. The world will not tolerate anything less. Beth deserves the truth. And she deserves to have her daughter brought home - to AMERICA!

I hate to repeat myself, but AMEN seems the only appropriate response. She is simply keeping her word!!!!!!!!!!!!

and AMEN again, and ribbit too!

I hope Oprah will show the news conference of Beth after the K2 release,

"Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter.  I am asking mothers and fathers in all nations to hear my plea.  Do not allow the Kalpoe brothers to enter your country until this case is solved.  Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens.  Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime, in the name of my beautiful daughter whom I have not seen in thirty-six days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her."

Beth quotes her words from that day in her book on pages 156-157, and although reading it brought the tears all over again for me, it was because I heard her words that day on national television and felt her pain.  Did the Aruban people feel her pain that day?  Beth reflects in her book that many Arubans were offended by her using the term "criminals" in her speech which led to fewer prayer vigils, protesters against the negative media, her being unwelcome at the Holiday Inn, and the forming of the Strategic Communications Task force to combat the negative media, and the family as Beth states.  My perception of the reaction is that Beth hit a nerve.  She had just told the world what this "dirty little island" had full intentions of doing and every mother and father on that island knew it.  They all knew that even though the K2 could go anywhere they chose to, they would stay right there and never be prosecuted for their crime.  The citizens knew how the crime against Natalee had been covered up and that all involved would "walk freely among their citizens" because none of them would dare do anything about it.  Beth had in essence called all of them "criminals" because their silence that protects the dirty secrets involves all of them in the crime. It was easier to try to run Beth and family off of the island and hope that the world would forget about what happened to Natalee than to do the right thing.  JMO

Good idea - email it to her producers.

[private eye]

Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare 

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that.

lol

EXORCISTS - BOTH OF EM!

I think he thinks that he looks "hot" like that, or sexy,etc. Somebody should be kind enough to tell him he looks like an angry mentally +++++++ teenage boy with that pose. Or a pencil d**** teenage wimp or punk, take his pick:)))))))))))) How he manages to look angry and blank at the same time though is pretty impressive!!!!!!!! And he could be a fairly attractive young man if he lightened up and smiled. I don't think they see any role models of happy well adjusted boys or young men there to emulate. Aruba reminds me of "Lord of the Flies" only in this case the males have so dominated the culture that the same fate has befallen them as did the fate of the shipwrecked boys.

There is no telling what other poses that photographer managed to talk him and his friends into participating while telling them that they have that "special look." Aruba is rampant with predators preying on innocent prey, and the poor local boys are transformed from innocent stooges into predators themselves as a result, or at least wannabe predators. The incompetence and impotence of her predators.

The young US girls who go there should acquaint themselves with Glenda to understand what they may become if they mix with the locals. Renhoes and sloots, and sorry to boot.

[Kermit]

The "boys" (who are actually men) are only a result of the pattern of behavior that their parents taught them.
Look to the parents first!

[Kermit]

The "boys" (who are actually men) are only a result of the pattern of behavior that their parents taught them.
Look to the parents first!




SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE

[Kermit]

Have a good one Monkey's and spread the love connection.

I'm off to eat some flies.

[Peaches]

I think perhaps Michael Dompig should have thought about his career choices before getting that huge, ugly tatoo on his arm.  Gonna be hard to get a job with that one.  Who is going to want you to advertise their product with that gangsta looking running up your arm?  Nobody. 

This Kawish kid doesn't look intense, he looks mentally ill.

These boys both need to pick a new dream. 

We have plenty of nice looking young men.  Don't need 'em.

[Maggie]

Pleeeeeeze stop posting their pictures...makes me want to gag...

[msmarple]

Jose Trump missing since November 27th 2007
Thats a huge reward!! 
25,000,000 Aruban Florin = 14,124,294 US Dollars
14 million dollars? WOW! Is that right?

OBS - Will you also post this on the M&C thread? Thanks.

[private eye]

The "boys" (who are actually men) are only a result of the pattern of behavior that their parents taught them.
Look to the parents first!




SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE

That last photo is just a little to close to the "Lord of the Flies" but if he doesn't zip it up his open fly is going to surely attract flies:)))))))))

[Mere]

Oprah's web site mentions the show with Beth and Matt....next Wednesday, the 16th

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200801/tows_lineup_20080109.jhtml?promocode=HP32

[jackb]

Posted at RU  How many of these hangings had one hand in their pocket?

I wonder who the murder victim was on May 31, 2005?

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

The stats read it was a female age 36 killed with a knife on 5-51-05 at 11:45 pm in St. Nicholas.  Wonder who and if that is the real age?  Jack B

[Peaches]

Seems like a lot of suicides given the population.

[jackb]

Posted at RU  How many of these hangings had one hand in their pocket?

I wonder who the murder victim was on May 31, 2005?

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

  modified mine.  Jb

[MumInOhio]

Posted at RU  How many of these hangings had one hand in their pocket?

I wonder who the murder victim was on May 31, 2005?

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

The stats read it was a female age 36 killed with a knife on 5-51-05 at 11:45 pm in St. Nicholas.  Wonder who and if that is the real age?  Jack B

Good catch!  And a knife was stolen from the fisherman's huts!

[msmarple]

Posted at RU  How many of these hangings had one hand in their pocket?

I wonder who the murder victim was on May 31, 2005?

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

The stats read it was a female age 36 killed with a knife on 5-51-05 at 11:45 pm in St. Nicholas.  Wonder who and if that is the real age?  Jack B

Good catch!  And a knife was stolen from the fisherman's huts!

Y'all are confusing the dates.

"31-05-05" = 05/31/2005 = Male, age 44, knife (Juni Tromp)

"31-10-05" = 10/31/2005 = Female, age 36, knife (probably also on M&C thread summary)

[jackb]

Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare 

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that.

lol

EXORCISTS - BOTH OF EM!

I think he thinks that he looks "hot" like that, or sexy,etc. Somebody should be kind enough to tell him he looks like an angry mentally +++++++ teenage boy with that pose. Or a pencil d**** teenage wimp or punk, take his pick:)))))))))))) How he manages to look angry and blank at the same time though is pretty impressive!!!!!!!! And he could be a fairly attractive young man if he lightened up and smiled. I don't think they see any role models of happy well adjusted boys or young men there to emulate. Aruba reminds me of "Lord of the Flies" only in this case the males have so dominated the culture that the same fate has befallen them as did the fate of the shipwrecked boys.

There is no telling what other poses that photographer managed to talk him and his friends into participating while telling them that they have that "special look." Aruba is rampant with predators preying on innocent prey, and the poor local boys are transformed from innocent stooges into predators themselves as a result, or at least wannabe predators. The incompetence and impotence of her predators.

The young US girls who go there should acquaint themselves with Glenda to understand what they may become if they mix with the locals. Renhoes and sloots, and sorry to boot.

They both appear of mid-Eastern decent.  The Suriname people are rooted from the Mideast.     Jack

[MumInOhio]

LOL...now I'm totally confused!! Will come back and read later when I can concentrate!

Thanks Msmaple...I was raised with the dates the other way around and still have to stop and think.