Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Kermit]

Oprah will offer Beth an audience of possibly 20,000,000 viewers that she can share the details of her ordeal in Aruba and possibly bring the viewers up to date news on the current affairs of Aruba's affairs. While she must not libel or slander anyone, she could tell the following:

1. Joran was the last known person with Natalee. It is alleged that he broke during interrogation and revealed that something bad happened to her and they buried her near the fishermans hut, but that he refused to sign the "confession" after being allowed to be comforted and advised by his parents. She could also show photo's of Joran subsequently leading the police to the fishermans hut where he said she was buried.

2. That the boys immediately began a series of lies designed to obstruct the search for Natalee, and point out that as in all searches time was of the essence as it is a life or death situation. And she can even defend the boys behavior explaining that Deepaks mother said all boys lie and the other excuse that they were simply scared teenagers not wanting to be in trouble for leaving a girl on the beach, and they were so scared that the fact that her life was in imminent danger was irrelevant to them.

3. They lied and framed 2 innocent black men, that the police chose to give them enough credibility to deprive these 2 men of their liberty and to charge them with murder, that the police released the boys without searching their property, and that the police immediately busted into the 2 mens homes unannounced to arrest them and search the premises and property, after already discovering that the boys, who were the least seen with her, had lied about their stories, repeatedly.

4. That Aruba has already had a case where racism was alleged, Eduardo Mathew, who successfully filed an appeal claiming he was abused as a prisoner in the KIA Detention Center. But point out that just because it appears that Aruba has serious race issues, it isn't necessarly so. Could be coincidence.

5. Anita, Joran's Mom, was knowledgable of the color, style, and pattern of Natalee's panties.

6. She could play the audio recording of the boys conversation in the back of the police car, replaying the comment by Depak saying, "Your own father!"

7. Replay Dompigs statement that the boys were obviously guilty as hell.

8. That Minister of Justice Rudy Croes was alleged by his own country's media to have been caught with 3 sex slaves he was planning on prostituting. Of course she could explain that government officials in Aruba aren't that well paid and they have to moonlight to make end meets. Point out that he has another night job and that it is developing a $65,000,000 project in Aruba. Pretty good for the son of a school teacher who died at an early age, who grew up to be a lab technician prior to becoming the Minister of Justice. And she could point out just how smart he must be since he doesn't even have any legal experience or a law degree.

5. That Guido Wever claimed that Joran and him were lovers at one time.

 
BROKEBACK ARUBAN STYLE

6. That Deepak allegedly claimed that he, his brother, and Joran had sex in the same room at the same time with the same girl on occassions. Considering Guido's claim, there is no reason to believe that the situation was awkward for the boys.

And the list could go on. Hopefully a high lights video of the story of the Natalee Holloway case. Maybe even point out that Renfroe states that any parent who would send their teenagers or young adults to Aruba without direct parental supervision deserves what happened to Beth, and in fact should be charged with manslaughter.

Being careful not to accuse anyone, but just replaying the public news concerning the case. She could also point out that Joran's attorney has a home in Sicily as well as New York and is a very prominent defense attorney. And based upon the people he represents, he must be damn good.

TRUE PI VERY TRUE - JUST A RE-CAP OF THE TRUTH

[Kermit]

Nice summation, PI. I am most excited that Beth will have an opportunity to sell a million or more books off of this show. Once millions of more more hear Beth's story firsthand and read the book there is no way in hell they or their family and friends will ever want to go to that shitbox known as Aruba.

It ain't over until Beth says it's over.

"I am willing to wait out all their lies to get to the truth. I have the rest of my life to find out what has happened to Natalee." (p. 98 Beth Holloway)

[Kermit]

I see Kawish and Michael Dompig are both trying to be Aruba's next top model. I wonder if GVC dropped out because he's been dabbling in the islands imports too much?





http://www.arubamodelsearch.com/

Roland Halley was Mister World model or something.
His dad is the crooked cop.

Ernesto (freddy's brother) is another model.

follow up on that model agency - it seemed to me to be some kind of front is all.

[Magnolia]

I don't know how it seems to other people, but Beth IS NOT profiting from Natalee's death, and people who think so are simply not aware of her plan, or at least my perception of her plan. She was quoted early on as promising the powers to be in Aruba that she would be the voice of Natalee seeking justice for her until her last breath on earth. Seeking justice for Natalee was to become her new career. In order to do that she began a foundation that allowed her to speak out to large audiences while earning a living doing it, thus "endowing the message" to ensure Natalee's words are heard until justice was found. Writing a book enabled her to further speak out for Natalee in print, memorializing the words of Natalee and the deeds of the guilty for eternity, while once again funding an endowment that will assure her of the ability to live her life speaking out for justice for Natalee.

In order to do this she took a huge risk. She left a very good career working with children, and at the age of, I better withhold that, and while grieving for the loss of her daughter, she embarked on a career of public speaking and book writing even though she had no prior experience or education in either field. This is even more remarkable considering that she had another child due to begin college in a couple of years at that time. Even facing a divorce and life as the sole provider for her and her son she kept loyal to her promise. She never looked back, and never doubted she could be self supporting allowing her to do what she promised Aruba she was going to do, speak out for justice for Natalee, full time, until she breathed her last breath.

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.

One thing ,of the many I admire Beth for is going on all of the cable shows to
keep Natalee's story in the forefront.  I couldn't have done that to save my life.
But she did.

[Kermit]

I don't know how it seems to other people, but Beth IS NOT profiting from Natalee's death, and people who think so are simply not aware of her plan, or at least my perception of her plan. She was quoted early on as promising the powers to be in Aruba that she would be the voice of Natalee seeking justice for her until her last breath on earth. Seeking justice for Natalee was to become her new career. In order to do that she began a foundation that allowed her to speak out to large audiences while earning a living doing it, thus "endowing the message" to ensure Natalee's words are heard until justice was found. Writing a book enabled her to further speak out for Natalee in print, memorializing the words of Natalee and the deeds of the guilty for eternity, while once again funding an endowment that will assure her of the ability to live her life speaking out for justice for Natalee.

In order to do this she took a huge risk. She left a very good career working with children, and at the age of, I better withhold that, and while grieving for the loss of her daughter, she embarked on a career of public speaking and book writing even though she had no prior experience or education in either field. This is even more remarkable considering that she had another child due to begin college in a couple of years at that time. Even facing a divorce and life as the sole provider for her and her son she kept loyal to her promise. She never looked back, and never doubted she could be self supporting allowing her to do what she promised Aruba she was going to do, speak out for justice for Natalee, full time, until she breathed her last breath.

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.

This is just my thinking, I don't give a hoot'n nanny about money or money Beth may or may not make/earn/get.
Aruba is responsible for cover-ing up a crime committed against her daughter. A girl who was only 18 years old did not deserve to die. And those responsible all the way up the chain of command - need to be exposed and held accountable. The world will not tolerate anything less. Beth deserves the truth. And she deserves to have her daughter brought home - to AMERICA!

[private eye]

I see Kawish and Michael Dompig are both trying to be Aruba's next top model. I wonder if GVC dropped out because he's been dabbling in the islands imports too much?





http://www.arubamodelsearch.com/

Roland Halley was Mister World model or something.
His dad is the crooked cop.

Ernesto (freddy's brother) is another model.

follow up on that model agency - it seemed to me to be some kind of front is all.

Are all Arubians this ugly?????????? Surely not. These must be the elite of their ugly!!!!

[private eye]

I don't know how it seems to other people, but Beth IS NOT profiting from Natalee's death, and people who think so are simply not aware of her plan, or at least my perception of her plan. She was quoted early on as promising the powers to be in Aruba that she would be the voice of Natalee seeking justice for her until her last breath on earth. Seeking justice for Natalee was to become her new career. In order to do that she began a foundation that allowed her to speak out to large audiences while earning a living doing it, thus "endowing the message" to ensure Natalee's words are heard until justice was found. Writing a book enabled her to further speak out for Natalee in print, memorializing the words of Natalee and the deeds of the guilty for eternity, while once again funding an endowment that will assure her of the ability to live her life speaking out for justice for Natalee.

In order to do this she took a huge risk. She left a very good career working with children, and at the age of, I better withhold that, and while grieving for the loss of her daughter, she embarked on a career of public speaking and book writing even though she had no prior experience or education in either field. This is even more remarkable considering that she had another child due to begin college in a couple of years at that time. Even facing a divorce and life as the sole provider for her and her son she kept loyal to her promise. She never looked back, and never doubted she could be self supporting allowing her to do what she promised Aruba she was going to do, speak out for justice for Natalee, full time, until she breathed her last breath.

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.

This is just my thinking, I don't give a hoot'n nanny about money or money Beth may or may not make/earn/get.
Aruba is responsible for cover-ing up a crime committed against her daughter. A girl who was only 18 years old did not deserve to die. And those responsible all the way up the chain of command - need to be exposed and held accountable. The world will not tolerate anything less. Beth deserves the truth. And she deserves to have her daughter brought home - to AMERICA!

I hate to repeat myself, but AMEN seems the only appropriate response. She is simply keeping her word!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Observer]

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.
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Very touching PI! We care a great deal about Beth and we are all very aware at what is being said or not said at other forums about her. Most of us have never met Natalee,Beth or any member of the Family but I assure you each and every one of us feels like they are Family. We have always been here for Beth and will continue to be until Natalee is home and her Family gets the answers they deserve. Beth is a inspiration for many here and this is her home.

[private eye]

I see Kawish and Michael Dompig are both trying to be Aruba's next top model. I wonder if GVC dropped out because he's been dabbling in the islands imports too much?





http://www.arubamodelsearch.com/

Roland Halley was Mister World model or something.
His dad is the crooked cop.

Ernesto (freddy's brother) is another model.

follow up on that model agency - it seemed to me to be some kind of front is all.

I feel bad having made fun of their appearances. That they cannot help.

[private eye]

I have limited posting priviliges at home and I have been told I have reached that limit!!!!! Good night. I hate getting bossed around all of the time!!!

[Tamikosmom]

I have limited posting priviliges at home and I have been told I have reached that limit!!!!! Good night. I hate getting bossed around all of the time!!!

 

[klaasend]

I have limited posting priviliges at home and I have been told I have reached that limit!!!!! Good night. I hate getting bossed around all of the time!!!

Nite Private Eye 

[Observer]

Are all Arubians this ugly?????????? Surely not. These must be the elite of their ugly!!!!

Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  They are probably related also  Night!

[2NJSons_Mom]

I've watched Oprah several times lately and the shows were all repeats....not that I saw them all before, but having checked out her website found out they all were.  Glad to know that new shows are on next week, especially Wednesday with Beth and Matt.  PI said something about the taping being done early next week, which surprised me, because I thought these shows were done in advance (more advance than a couple days).....no matter....In my area, Oprah is on at 4PM on ABC....she used to be rerun later at night, but I don't know if that is still the case.  I'm assuming that she may be on at different times in different areas. 

[klaasend]

As already posted, Beth and Matt will be on Oprah 1/16/08 (Wednesday).

Go to this link to find out what time and channel Oprah is on in your area:

http://www.oprah.com/tows/program/tows_prog_whenwhere.jhtml

[Observer]

10.17.2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.
http://tinyurl.com/2mslqw

[texasmom]

I don't know how it seems to other people, but Beth IS NOT profiting from Natalee's death, and people who think so are simply not aware of her plan, or at least my perception of her plan. She was quoted early on as promising the powers to be in Aruba that she would be the voice of Natalee seeking justice for her until her last breath on earth. Seeking justice for Natalee was to become her new career. In order to do that she began a foundation that allowed her to speak out to large audiences while earning a living doing it, thus "endowing the message" to ensure Natalee's words are heard until justice was found. Writing a book enabled her to further speak out for Natalee in print, memorializing the words of Natalee and the deeds of the guilty for eternity, while once again funding an endowment that will assure her of the ability to live her life speaking out for justice for Natalee.

In order to do this she took a huge risk. She left a very good career working with children, and at the age of, I better withhold that, and while grieving for the loss of her daughter, she embarked on a career of public speaking and book writing even though she had no prior experience or education in either field. This is even more remarkable considering that she had another child due to begin college in a couple of years at that time. Even facing a divorce and life as the sole provider for her and her son she kept loyal to her promise. She never looked back, and never doubted she could be self supporting allowing her to do what she promised Aruba she was going to do, speak out for justice for Natalee, full time, until she breathed her last breath.

I would say she did all of this on her own, but it is obvious to the world she did this with the strength and love of people like you all who cared enough to get involved and help her speak out. I believe despite the loss, which has surely been great, she feels to a certain degree blessed to have your support.

This is just my thinking, I don't give a hoot'n nanny about money or money Beth may or may not make/earn/get.
Aruba is responsible for cover-ing up a crime committed against her daughter. A girl who was only 18 years old did not deserve to die. And those responsible all the way up the chain of command - need to be exposed and held accountable. The world will not tolerate anything less. Beth deserves the truth. And she deserves to have her daughter brought home - to AMERICA!

I hate to repeat myself, but AMEN seems the only appropriate response. She is simply keeping her word!!!!!!!!!!!!

and AMEN again, and ribbit too!

I hope Oprah will show the news conference of Beth after the K2 release,

"Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter.  I am asking mothers and fathers in all nations to hear my plea.  Do not allow the Kalpoe brothers to enter your country until this case is solved.  Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens.  Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime, in the name of my beautiful daughter whom I have not seen in thirty-six days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her."

Beth quotes her words from that day in her book on pages 156-157, and although reading it brought the tears all over again for me, it was because I heard her words that day on national television and felt her pain.  Did the Aruban people feel her pain that day?  Beth reflects in her book that many Arubans were offended by her using the term "criminals" in her speech which led to fewer prayer vigils, protesters against the negative media, her being unwelcome at the Holiday Inn, and the forming of the Strategic Communications Task force to combat the negative media, and the family as Beth states.  My perception of the reaction is that Beth hit a nerve.  She had just told the world what this "dirty little island" had full intentions of doing and every mother and father on that island knew it.  They all knew that even though the K2 could go anywhere they chose to, they would stay right there and never be prosecuted for their crime.  The citizens knew how the crime against Natalee had been covered up and that all involved would "walk freely among their citizens" because none of them would dare do anything about it.  Beth had in essence called all of them "criminals" because their silence that protects the dirty secrets involves all of them in the crime. It was easier to try to run Beth and family off of the island and hope that the world would forget about what happened to Natalee than to do the right thing.  JMO

[texasmom]

10.17.2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.
http://tinyurl.com/2mslqw

In light of my previous post there is a hero among the Aruban people, Jossy Mansur 

[crazybabyborg]

Yes, Jossy is a man of principle among a den of thieves and thugs.

I haven't seen anything from him during the ocean search. Have I just missed it, or has he been quiet lately?

[Observer]

Jose Trump missing since November 27th 2007
Thats a huge reward!! 
25,000,000 Aruban Florin = 14,124,294 US Dollars
14 million dollars? WOW! Is that right?