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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2008, 01:16:02 AM »

I have limited posting priviliges at home and I have been told I have reached that limit!!!!! Good night. I hate getting bossed around all of the time!!!

You made very good use of your "limited postings" tonight PI.   

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2008, 01:16:55 AM »

Wonderful post, Private Eye! Beth is just the epitome of class and grace, with just the right touch of steel, IMO. She briefly mentioned that perhaps she would write a book on just the evidence, and I really do hope she will do that.

I keep thinking that someday, someone will make a movie out of this whole ordeal. I also hope that happens. I can't think of a better way to give exposure to the dangers that lurk in Aruba.
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« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2008, 01:17:10 AM »


Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked
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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2008, 01:31:15 AM »

Yes, Jossy is a man of principle among a den of thieves and thugs.

I haven't seen anything from him during the ocean search. Have I just missed it, or has he been quiet lately?

I think he's been quiet lately.  If there has been anything I missed it, but I've been looking....  I worry about him with all the corruption around him.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2008, 01:35:17 AM »


Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked
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« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2008, 01:36:33 AM »


Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked

I thought the same thing also but it seems to me that Deepak's eye/eyes try to cross or something Confused...I don't think he can stare that dead-on Shocked
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2008, 01:41:35 AM »


Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked

I thought the same thing also but it seems to me that Deepak's eye/eyes try to cross or something Confused...I don't think he can stare that dead-on Shocked

He look's like he is high as a kite on X in that pic.
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« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2008, 01:44:47 AM »

OMG, *******, I almost went to find a picture of deepak before I made my post about the crossing of his eye/eyes but didn't and then when my post came up there it was, you'd gone and gotten it for me.  It's his right eye....

thanks!
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« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2008, 02:00:38 AM »

OMG, *******, I almost went to find a picture of deepak before I made my post about the crossing of his eye/eyes but didn't and then when my post came up there it was, you'd gone and gotten it for me.  It's his right eye....

thanks!


YW Smile That one eye does seem to be crossed. He just seems to look funny when he's looking straight ahead..lol


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« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2008, 05:40:01 AM »

I see Kawish and Michael Dompig are both trying to be Aruba's next top model. I wonder if GVC dropped out because he's been dabbling in the islands imports too much?





http://www.arubamodelsearch.com/



*******...that name I asked about yesterday is there too...His name was on a Natalee blog with his tickle site. Second to last one... Shajir Croes
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« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2008, 08:15:20 AM »

Oprah will offer Beth an audience of possibly 20,000,000 viewers that she can share the details of her ordeal in Aruba and possibly bring the viewers up to date news on the current affairs of Aruba's affairs. While she must not libel or slander anyone, she could tell the following:

1. Joran was the last known person with Natalee. It is alleged that he broke during interrogation and revealed that something bad happened to her and they buried her near the fishermans hut, but that he refused to sign the "confession" after being allowed to be comforted and advised by his parents. She could also show photo's of Joran subsequently leading the police to the fishermans hut where he said she was buried.

2. That the boys immediately began a series of lies designed to obstruct the search for Natalee, and point out that as in all searches time was of the essence as it is a life or death situation. And she can even defend the boys behavior explaining that Deepaks mother said all boys lie and the other excuse that they were simply scared teenagers not wanting to be in trouble for leaving a girl on the beach, and they were so scared that the fact that her life was in imminent danger was irrelevant to them.

3. They lied and framed 2 innocent black men, that the police chose to give them enough credibility to deprive these 2 men of their liberty and to charge them with murder, that the police released the boys without searching their property, and that the police immediately busted into the 2 mens homes unannounced to arrest them and search the premises and property, after already discovering that the boys, who were the least seen with her, had lied about their stories, repeatedly.

4. That Aruba has already had a case where racism was alleged, Eduardo Mathew, who successfully filed an appeal claiming he was abused as a prisoner in the KIA Detention Center. But point out that just because it appears that Aruba has serious race issues, it isn't necessarly so. Could be coincidence.

5. Anita, Joran's Mom, was knowledgable of the color, style, and pattern of Natalee's panties.

6. She could play the audio recording of the boys conversation in the back of the police car, replaying the comment by Depak saying, "Your own father!"

7. Replay Dompigs statement that the boys were obviously guilty as hell.

8. That Minister of Justice Rudy Croes was alleged by his own country's media to have been caught with 3 sex slaves he was planning on prostituting. Of course she could explain that government officials in Aruba aren't that well paid and they have to moonlight to make end meets. Point out that he has another night job and that it is developing a $65,000,000 project in Aruba. Pretty good for the son of a school teacher who died at an early age, who grew up to be a lab technician prior to becoming the Minister of Justice. And she could point out just how smart he must be since he doesn't even have any legal experience or a law degree.

5. That Guido Wever claimed that Joran and him were lovers at one time.

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BROKEBACK ARUBAN STYLE

6. That Deepak allegedly claimed that he, his brother, and Joran had sex in the same room at the same time with the same girl on occassions. Considering Guido's claim, there is no reason to believe that the situation was awkward for the boys.

And the list could go on. Hopefully a high lights video of the story of the Natalee Holloway case. Maybe even point out that Renfroe states that any parent who would send their teenagers or young adults to Aruba without direct parental supervision deserves what happened to Beth, and in fact should be charged with manslaughter.

Being careful not to accuse anyone, but just replaying the public news concerning the case. She could also point out that Joran's attorney has a home in Sicily as well as New York and is a very prominent defense attorney. And based upon the people he represents, he must be damn good.

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« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2008, 08:28:23 AM »

Thank you CBB for my avatar....i love it....and Im so excited that Beth and Matt will be on Oprah....yes finally...Please, if you live in NY or Boston, come to the shows and be a voice for Natalee.They are VERY Important shows...We have donations for gas money or hotel rooms...or airline tickets..We have flyers, banners...cards...sweatshirts...and pens and tote bags..WE NEED PPL...please email me at JusticeforNatalee@gail.com.
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« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2008, 09:38:18 AM »

Thank you CBB for my avatar....i love it....and Im so excited that Beth and Matt will be on Oprah....yes finally...Please, if you live in NY or Boston, come to the shows and be a voice for Natalee.They are VERY Important shows...We have donations for gas money or hotel rooms...or airline tickets..We have flyers, banners...cards...sweatshirts...and pens and tote bags..WE NEED PPL...please email me at JusticeforNatalee@gail.com.

OH! I would love to be there! I don't think I could manage it, but if I could, are there tickets available? I'm excited about them being on the show too!
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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2008, 09:39:23 AM »


  I think that those kind of looks are supposed to be intimidating to us
******* ,  when I worked in corrections  we would see those new type of young prisoners come in thru intake and they would be all bid and Bold until some of the older hard core cons would have a midnight talk with them and then when they would come back out with tears all over there faces  most of the others knew what had just happened and the young man would soon learn that in prison looks don't intimidate quite a few of those men .
  I would give almost anything to see Joran the gallops and Paulis inside of a real Prison in the USA  and show just how brave they really are  .  My bet would that they would be stripped of everything that they brought in with them and then become girl friends for the lifers and others  and yes even Joran,  being big in size in prison does not mean being respected, that you have to earn  and when a group grabs you in a small room there is NOT really a lot you can do except use your head or $$, cigs,  dope ect if you can obtain it .




Kawish reminds me a bit like Deepak with that stare  Shocked

I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering what they were looking at that caused that. Shocked
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« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2008, 09:48:36 AM »

Oprah will offer Beth an audience of possibly 20,000,000 viewers that she can share the details of her ordeal in Aruba and possibly bring the viewers up to date news on the current affairs of Aruba's affairs. While she must not libel or slander anyone, she could tell the following:

1. Joran was the last known person with Natalee. It is alleged that he broke during interrogation and revealed that something bad happened to her and they buried her near the fishermans hut, but that he refused to sign the "confession" after being allowed to be comforted and advised by his parents. She could also show photo's of Joran subsequently leading the police to the fishermans hut where he said she was buried.

2. That the boys immediately began a series of lies designed to obstruct the search for Natalee, and point out that as in all searches time was of the essence as it is a life or death situation. And she can even defend the boys behavior explaining that Deepaks mother said all boys lie and the other excuse that they were simply scared teenagers not wanting to be in trouble for leaving a girl on the beach, and they were so scared that the fact that her life was in imminent danger was irrelevant to them.

3. They lied and framed 2 innocent black men, that the police chose to give them enough credibility to deprive these 2 men of their liberty and to charge them with murder, that the police released the boys without searching their property, and that the police immediately busted into the 2 mens homes unannounced to arrest them and search the premises and property, after already discovering that the boys, who were the least seen with her, had lied about their stories, repeatedly.

4. That Aruba has already had a case where racism was alleged, Eduardo Mathew, who successfully filed an appeal claiming he was abused as a prisoner in the KIA Detention Center. But point out that just because it appears that Aruba has serious race issues, it isn't necessarly so. Could be coincidence.

5. Anita, Joran's Mom, was knowledgable of the color, style, and pattern of Natalee's panties.

6. She could play the audio recording of the boys conversation in the back of the police car, replaying the comment by Depak saying, "Your own father!"

7. Replay Dompigs statement that the boys were obviously guilty as hell.

8. That Minister of Justice Rudy Croes was alleged by his own country's media to have been caught with 3 sex slaves he was planning on prostituting. Of course she could explain that government officials in Aruba aren't that well paid and they have to moonlight to make end meets. Point out that he has another night job and that it is developing a $65,000,000 project in Aruba. Pretty good for the son of a school teacher who died at an early age, who grew up to be a lab technician prior to becoming the Minister of Justice. And she could point out just how smart he must be since he doesn't even have any legal experience or a law degree.

5. That Guido Wever claimed that Joran and him were lovers at one time.

6. That Deepak allegedly claimed that he, his brother, and Joran had sex in the same room at the same time with the same girl on occassions. Considering Guido's claim, there is no reason to believe that the situation was awkward for the boys.

And the list could go on. Hopefully a high lights video of the story of the Natalee Holloway case. Maybe even point out that Renfroe states that any parent who would send their teenagers or young adults to Aruba without direct parental supervision deserves what happened to Beth, and in fact should be charged with manslaughter.

Being careful not to accuse anyone, but just replaying the public news concerning the case. She could also point out that Joran's attorney has a home in Sicily as well as New York and is a very prominent defense attorney. And based upon the people he represents, he must be damn good.
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beth could add klpd and mos' current views on guilt or innocence from their own sources.
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« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2008, 09:51:37 AM »


This is just my thinking, I don't give a hoot'n nanny about money or money Beth may or may not make/earn/get.
Aruba is responsible for cover-ing up a crime committed against her daughter. A girl who was only 18 years old did not deserve to die. And those responsible all the way up the chain of command - need to be exposed and held accountable. The world will not tolerate anything less. Beth deserves the truth. And she deserves to have her daughter brought home - to AMERICA!



I hate to repeat myself, but AMEN seems the only appropriate response. She is simply keeping her word!!!!!!!!!!!!


What is money better spent, saving students lives by warning them of the dangers of drug infested rape holes like Aruba or spending millions trying to cover up a crime?

Nobody in Aruba can blame Beth for using money to saves others lives by exposing the dangers her daughter incurred on Aruba. It is the Arubans who have wasted their money, destroyed their image and wrecked their economy by being corrupt.

Beth put their cops on the front door of the prime suspect's house in 24 hours and they chose to do nothing. Aruba deserves to rot in hell.
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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2008, 10:00:41 AM »

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Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
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ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.
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Here again, what good are laws if they are not enforced? Michael Posner was a convicted Mafia felon. He should have never been able to own a casino in Aruba according to their own laws. Yet they welcome him with open arms. It just goes to show that the Mafia is running Aruba alongside the corrupt MEP government.

The Aruba/Dutch legal and judiciary system is a sham.
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« Reply #77 on: January 10, 2008, 10:16:53 AM »

Lala's....I am unable to find that Satish made a statement on 6/16...do I need new glasses? I am back on page 36 of the last thread where you said he and Freddy were both questioned that day. Any help would be appreciated.
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« Reply #78 on: January 10, 2008, 10:26:05 AM »

Thank you CBB for my avatar....i love it....and Im so excited that Beth and Matt will be on Oprah....yes finally...Please, if you live in NY or Boston, come to the shows and be a voice for Natalee.They are VERY Important shows...We have donations for gas money or hotel rooms...or airline tickets..We have flyers, banners...cards...sweatshirts...and pens and tote bags..WE NEED PPL...please email me at JusticeforNatalee@gail.com.

Vicki, noticed a typo in your email address:

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« Reply #79 on: January 10, 2008, 10:40:05 AM »

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