Natalee Case Discussion #711 1/08 - 1/12/08

[Kermit]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

[Tamikosmom]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

[private eye]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

And with the beauty of hindsight, or at the time by simply having faith, what seemed to get your son in trouble actually had a positive ending. If you hadn't of corrected it yourselves, he might have gotten away with it but kept doing it until he got in worse trouble, as an adult, with greater consequences. But it is heartbreaking at the time a parent has to act and you wonder did I do the right thing, will he ever forgive us etc. I admire you.

[Vicki]

Justice for Natalee Holloway: Lost in the 'War on Terror'?
English (US)  January 10th, 2008 (The Corner Report)

By Patrick Cloutier

On 30 May 2005, Natalee Holloway disappeared while vacationing on Aruba. As of 18 December 2007, Aruban authorities closed her case. From beginning to end, the island's authorities demonstrated no interest in solving her disappearance. Why didn't the US pressure Aruba to look more thoroughly into Natalee Holloway's disappearance? Some answers may lie with Big Oil and the 'Global War on Terror.'


At the time of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, the U.S. Government was pressing NATO countries for military contributions to the Global War on Terror. One of these countries was the Netherlands. Aruba belongs to the Netherlands.

The Netherlands did have 1,400 men in Iraq, but withdrew them all in March 2005. The withdrawal of the Dutch from Iraq came soon after Spain--another NATO member--withdrew its 1,300 troops. The withdrawal of two NATO countries from Iraq was publicly damaging to the American war effort. If the Netherlands could be convinced to send more troops to Afghanistan, the move from Iraq would look more like a transfer than a withdrawal.

However, it was public outcry against Dutch abuse of Iraqi detainees that forced The Hague to withdraw its soldiers from Iraq, and the public remained sensitive to deploying troops anywhere else.

Unlike Spain, the Dutch government could be pressured by economic interests to provide troops for Washington. Royal Dutch Shell, an oil company, wanted to exploit Iraqi oil. But the Dutch troop withdrawal from Iraq may have jeopardized Shell's standing with the Bush-Cheney team. Sending Dutch troops to Afghanistan, however, might help Shell regain favor with them.

Then came the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Dutch Aruba.

The primary suspect in Miss Holloway's disappearance was a Dutch citizen, Joran van der Sloot. Worse was the fact that Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, was a Dutch judge-in-training, who appears to have used his legal training to help his son evade prosecution. The United States, whose tourists spend millions of dollars into the island economy, could have influenced local authorities to make a proper investigation, but did not. Why?

An American attempt to force an investigation of Natalee Holloway's disappearance might have embarrassed US efforts to get a Dutch troop commitment. Already angered by American conduct in Iraq, Dutch opinion might have reacted strongly against US efforts to strong-arm Aruba over Natalee Holloway. Increased anti-American sentiment may have forced Dutch legislators to vote against sending troops to Afghanistan.

Evidently, the US and the Netherlands wanted the Natalee Holloway case to go away. The US remained silent about the young woman's fate, and the Dutch allowed Aruba to sabotage the case. On 23 December 2005, Prime Minister Balkenende decided to deploy additional Dutch troops to Afghanistan; on 3 February 2006, The Hague approved his decision. The US got the Dutch troops it wanted, and Royal Dutch Shell got the Iraqi oil it wanted.

Justice for Natalee Holloway may have been a victim of the "Big Picture" in the Global War on Terror. Undeniably, Big Oil has a stake in that part of the war in Iraq, which claims to advance American values. Why is it that American values, such as blind justice, do not appear to apply for Miss Holloway's family? But this war has been governed by paradoxes: the current Administration (and probably the next one, too) tells America that in order to spread US values, torture warehouses are indispensible; an increase in American-controlled oil drives gas prices up, not down; and bringing civil liberties to strangers 8,000 miles away, necessitates abandoning justice for Americans wherever they may be: at home, abroad, or just off-shore.

Patrick Cloutier is a writer who lives in Hartford, CT. He be contacted at patrick_john_cloutier@yahoo.com.

http://tinyurl.com/39rw2q

Hey *******, I email this man Patrick and asked if he would attend the Boston show and he said yes he would go....Can you email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com.

[Tamikosmom]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

Kermit ... I believe Natalee's death was unintended.  I suspect that the plan was to leave a drugged/passed out Natalee at the beach after the "pimps" were through using her.  Natalee would wake up ... make her own way back to the hotel and ... then catch the plan for home.

I suspect that Natalee had to "disappear" because of the incriminating DNA ... the result of wrongdoing ... that would be found on her person.

Keep in mind that Joran conveyed to Greta that this had happened twenty times before and nothing happened.

Janet

++++++++++++


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

[private eye]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

I think there was an accidental death in the commission of a crime, granted, and I think he needs to pay the consequences. I think what he did had horrible consequences and was wrong, on many levels. I think he absolutely has some consequences to face.

But for me, the actions of his parents directing him to cover up rather than tell the truth, is a more hideous crime. Remember, Joran broke and told the truth on June 10th,2005 and if he had been left alone or supported by his parents, a lot of hurt could have been spared, Beth could have been healing, and even Joran would have been much better off and would have a better chance of leading a healthy life. Him breaking down and admitting what happened to Natalee would have brought him a lot of compassion and understanding from Beth's family,  and from the legal system, if they had one.

His parents took a horrible situation and act, and made it much much worse, and made Joran's role much worse and his personal future beyond redemption.

[private eye]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

I think there was an accidental death in the commission of a crime, granted, and I think he needs to pay the consequences. I think what he did had horrible consequences and was wrong, on many levels. I think he absolutely has some consequences to face.

But for me, the actions of his parents directing him to cover up rather than tell the truth, is a more hideous crime. Remember, Joran broke and told the truth on June 10th,2005 and if he had been left alone or supported by his parents, a lot of hurt could have been spared, Beth could have been healing, and even Joran would have been much better off and would have a better chance of leading a healthy life. Him breaking down and admitting what happened to Natalee would have brought him a lot of compassion and understanding from Beth's family,  and from the legal system, if they had one.

His parents took a horrible situation and act, and made it much much worse, and made Joran's role much worse and his personal future beyond redemption.

But don't think I don't hold him responsible for his actions or that I don't think his actions were horrible, I simply think his parent's actions are worse and that they have done him a huge wrong in their advice

[klaasend]

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[dennisintn]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

i'm standing shoulder to shoulder with you on this, kermit.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

And with the beauty of hindsight, or at the time by simply having faith, what seemed to get your son in trouble actually had a positive ending. If you hadn't of corrected it yourselves, he might have gotten away with it but kept doing it until he got in worse trouble, as an adult, with greater consequences. But it is heartbreaking at the time a parent has to act and you wonder did I do the right thing, will he ever forgive us etc. I admire you.

PI ... what was heartbreaking ... my husband and I were worried sick regarding the direction in life that our son was taking.

However ... it was never a question of whether or not our son would forgive us.  It was him that did wrong ... not us.  We were secure in the action that we took ... an action we believed was right.

The situation did not resolve itself overnight but ... fast forward twenty years ... this guy ... who is now a proud Father ... comprehends perfectly what motivated his own Father to pick up the phone and call that adjuster ... the motivation was LOVE.

Janet

[private eye]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

And with the beauty of hindsight, or at the time by simply having faith, what seemed to get your son in trouble actually had a positive ending. If you hadn't of corrected it yourselves, he might have gotten away with it but kept doing it until he got in worse trouble, as an adult, with greater consequences. But it is heartbreaking at the time a parent has to act and you wonder did I do the right thing, will he ever forgive us etc. I admire you.

PI ... what was heartbreaking ... my husband and I were worried sick regarding the direction in life that our son was taking.

However ... it was never a question of whether or not our son would forgive us.  It was him that did wrong ... not us.  We were secure in the action that we took ... an action we believed was right.

The situation did not resolve itself overnight but ... fast forward twenty years ... this guy ... who is now a proud Father ... comprehends perfectly what motivated his own Father to pick up the phone and call that adjuster ... the motivation was LOVE.

Janet

And that is the view at the end of the path I wish Anita could see.

[private eye]

I agree PI. I remember when my older sister made a mistake in her youth, and my parents found out about it. They sat her down and said we will back you 100% in correcting this mistake, but if you don't go to the authorities, we will. You have to face the consequences. That had to be one of the hardest things my parents ever did because she could have faced jail time!! But they went to the authorities, and my sister had to acknowledge her part and do what it took to correct it!!!
By the way...today my sister is happily married and the mother of 6 fantastic kids and doing fine!!! lol
Parents have to teach their children to take responsibility for their actions, not cover for them!!

ldstlou ... my husband and I were put in a similar situation with our eldest son when he was in his late teens.  We discovered that he had submitted a false claim to an insurance company in regards to wheels that were allegedly stolen from his precious Datsun 510.

We reported our findings to his insurance adjuster while he was at school.  If thoughts could kill ... Tamikosmom would not be posting on the Natalee Holloway case today.

Why was his Dad and I suspicious?  This had been drooling for three months over fancy wheels advertised in a catalog ... fancy wheels he knew darn well he could not afford.  We suspected that he anticipated an insurance settlement would go a long ways towards the purchase of those wheels.  We were right.   

Janet

And with the beauty of hindsight, or at the time by simply having faith, what seemed to get your son in trouble actually had a positive ending. If you hadn't of corrected it yourselves, he might have gotten away with it but kept doing it until he got in worse trouble, as an adult, with greater consequences. But it is heartbreaking at the time a parent has to act and you wonder did I do the right thing, will he ever forgive us etc. I admire you.

PI ... what was heartbreaking ... my husband and I were worried sick regarding the direction in life that our son was taking.

However ... it was never a question of whether or not our son would forgive us.  It was him that did wrong ... not us.  We were secure in the action that we took ... an action we believed was right.

The situation did not resolve itself overnight but ... fast forward twenty years ... this guy ... who is now a proud Father ... comprehends perfectly what motivated his own Father to pick up the phone and call that adjuster ... the motivation was LOVE.

Janet

And that is the view at the end of the path I wish Anita could see.

I also wish she had your moral compass and parental insight. You both were great parents, ooops, are:)))))))

[private eye]

Joran targeted her.

If it was just an accident - no need to cover it up.
NO FORGIVENESS UNTIL THEY ARE IN PRISON FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AN AMERICAN TOURIST - PERIOD AND
ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

i'm standing shoulder to shoulder with you on this, kermit.
dennisintn

Both of you are the type of people everyone would like to have stand with them during a crisis. Unwavering, firm, and committed. I know Beth appreciates you.

[Dayhiker]

HERE IS SOME CLASSIC SPIN FROM REUBEN "RUBBERLEGS" TRAPPENBURG, JULY 1.2005. HIGHLIGHTS IN RED:

from drudge:

Prosecutor: 3 Charged With Aruba Murder

By PETER PRENGAMAN
The Associated Press
Friday, July 1, 2005; 5:17 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Three young men detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have been charged with murder since their arrest more than three weeks ago, Aruba's chief prosecutor told The Associated Press on Friday.

The charges were not announced at the time to protect the feelings of the family of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, said Attorney General Karin Janssen.

"At the time, we didn't want to upset the (Holloway) family talking about murder while they searched," Janssen said.

Janssen, who has said several times in the past three weeks that no one was charged in the case, said they also kept the information quiet in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

Janssen said 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, 17, and two Surinamese brothers who are his friends have been charged since their arrest _ 10 days after Holloway disappeared on May 30.

Also Friday, Aruba's government defended its handling of the investigation, saying many of the criticisms arose from misunderstandings of the Dutch legal system used on the Caribbean island.

Police have been criticized for letting more than a week go by without detaining the three young men last seen with Holloway and for waiting 16 days after she went missing before searching van der Sloot's home.

Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, said the government has put 21 detectives on the case.

Trapenberg also mentioned the 70 Dutch Marines on the island who helped in initial searches and were called back Thursday to comb the island again.

"They do not bungle cases," Trapenberg told The Associated Press. "Aruban police and prosecutors are professional forces that have been successful."

Prosecutors have an 89 percent conviction rate on the Dutch Caribbean island, he said. Violent crime is rare in the tourist haven.

Asked why two of three suspects were transported together, apparently giving them the opportunity to compare or arrange their stories, Trapenberg said that was done to secretly monitor what they might tell each other.

Late Thursday, CNN captured images of van der Sloot, and Deepak Kalpoe handcuffed together, being put in a car to leave San Nicolas prison. It wasn't clear where they were being taken.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot were the last ones seen with Holloway the night she disappeared. Police questioned the three that same day but did not detain them until June 9. Two other people, including van der Sloot's father, Paul, an island judicial official, were detained and released.


"One of the techniques is that after hearing separate stories and getting nowhere, prosecutors will have suspects confront each other," said Trapenberg. "The U.S. system might be different, but this technique has worked in the past here."

Trapenberg also said that police initially did not have any cause to hold the young men: "If they had arrested them immediately, they would never have collected evidence."

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has repeatedly criticized investigators, saying that if she did not get answers soon she would believe they were protecting someone _ probably Joran van der Sloot because of his father's position.

"Prosecutors couldn't even attempt a cover-up because they know better than anyone that this case is under a microscope," Trapenberg said.

© 2005 The Associated Press

[private eye]

HERE IS SOME CLASSIC SPIN FROM REUBEN "RUBBERLEGS" TRAPPENBURG, JULY 1.2005. HIGHLIGHTS IN RED:

from drudge:

Prosecutor: 3 Charged With Aruba Murder

By PETER PRENGAMAN
The Associated Press
Friday, July 1, 2005; 5:17 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Three young men detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have been charged with murder since their arrest more than three weeks ago, Aruba's chief prosecutor told The Associated Press on Friday.

The charges were not announced at the time to protect the feelings of the family of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, said Attorney General Karin Janssen.

"At the time, we didn't want to upset the (Holloway) family talking about murder while they searched," Janssen said.

Janssen, who has said several times in the past three weeks that no one was charged in the case, said they also kept the information quiet in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

Janssen said 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, 17, and two Surinamese brothers who are his friends have been charged since their arrest _ 10 days after Holloway disappeared on May 30.

Also Friday, Aruba's government defended its handling of the investigation, saying many of the criticisms arose from misunderstandings of the Dutch legal system used on the Caribbean island.

Police have been criticized for letting more than a week go by without detaining the three young men last seen with Holloway and for waiting 16 days after she went missing before searching van der Sloot's home.

Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, said the government has put 21 detectives on the case.

Trapenberg also mentioned the 70 Dutch Marines on the island who helped in initial searches and were called back Thursday to comb the island again.

"They do not bungle cases," Trapenberg told The Associated Press. "Aruban police and prosecutors are professional forces that have been successful."

Prosecutors have an 89 percent conviction rate on the Dutch Caribbean island, he said. Violent crime is rare in the tourist haven.

Asked why two of three suspects were transported together, apparently giving them the opportunity to compare or arrange their stories, Trapenberg said that was done to secretly monitor what they might tell each other.

Late Thursday, CNN captured images of van der Sloot, and Deepak Kalpoe handcuffed together, being put in a car to leave San Nicolas prison. It wasn't clear where they were being taken.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot were the last ones seen with Holloway the night she disappeared. Police questioned the three that same day but did not detain them until June 9. Two other people, including van der Sloot's father, Paul, an island judicial official, were detained and released.


"One of the techniques is that after hearing separate stories and getting nowhere, prosecutors will have suspects confront each other," said Trapenberg. "The U.S. system might be different, but this technique has worked in the past here."

Trapenberg also said that police initially did not have any cause to hold the young men: "If they had arrested them immediately, they would never have collected evidence."

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has repeatedly criticized investigators, saying that if she did not get answers soon she would believe they were protecting someone _ probably Joran van der Sloot because of his father's position.

"Prosecutors couldn't even attempt a cover-up because they know better than anyone that this case is under a microscope," Trapenberg said.

© 2005 The Associated Press

Well, despite knowing that the world had them under a microscope, they did execute a coverup while telling us all to go get "intercoursed," and claiming ooops another mistake by our little bungling keystone cops and prosecutors!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Dayhiker]

Well, despite knowing that the world had them under a microscope, they did execute a coverup while telling us all to go get "intercoursed," and claiming ooops another mistake by our little bungling keystone cops and prosecutors!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

PI, just look at all the officials and talking heads who have flown the coop or disappeared themselves: Reuben, Arlene, Vander Straten, Bernardina, Dompig, Janssen, Pesquera. Then you have Joran, Guido, the Gottenbos family. All have split the island.

It's not a cover-up unless people are convinced it's not a cover-up. Yeah, they might get away without prosecution but the crime against Natalee will hang over all these people's heads until they leave this earth. Then they'll have another court to deal with.

[AZLady]

Deception is an art on Aruba.  The police and authorities practice it frequently and have for a long time.  They are very good at lying and deceiving and if anyone questions them, they blame their own ineptness.  In reality, they are far from inept.

[Observer]

Interesting article in dutch on Human Trafficking. Mentions the Loverboys and the growing problem of forced prostitution and human trafficking in the Netherlands Kingdon. Also mentions the 3 ministers who are involved in tackling this problem. The three ministers of Justice - Ernst Hirsch Ballin for Netherlands, David Dick of the West Indies and Rudy Croes of Aruba Rudy Croes being involved is like hiring OJ Simpson to lead the nation against spousal abuse 

http://www.google.com/translate_t (Use the google translator)
http://www.ecpat.nl/ariadne/loader.php/ecpat/Actualiteiten/Krantenknipsels/Handelminderjarigen/

[Observer]

Last time Jossy talked about Natalee's case in his newspaper he mentioned he would disclose more and name names about the Aruban Minister that owned a brothel (Prostitute business) in Venezuela. WHat did this have to do with Natalee and why did he mention it? Why has he said nothing since and cancelled Dana's show?

[Observer]

Joran and Peter R de Vries are live at Dutch TV NOW!