Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[Nut44x4]

MF Posts at RU

From DIARIO (14-01-08)

After this was already published last week, I guess DIARIO could not hide any longer from his readers:

Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) is reporting record results for 2007.
The last quarter compared to 2006 saw an increase of 19.9% in passenger traffic and 26% airtraffic.

The passenger traffic grew in October with 16.4%, in November with 18.3% and in December with 24.6% compared to 2006.

Airtraffic grew with 15% in Oktober, 18.4% in November and 36.5% in December 2007.

For 2007, AAA is reporting a total increase of 11.7% in passengers and a total of 8.1% in airtraffic.

Individually the market increased during the last quarter with the following percentage:

USA: 8.5%
Netherlands Antilles: 19.7%
Europe: 21.7%


And regarding the wine throwing international breaking news:

DIARIO with exclusive interview with Peter de Vries

Joran's action says a lot

After the incident, in which Joran van der Sloot threw a glass of red wine into the face of Peter R. de Vries in the "Pauw en Witteman" program, DIARIO decided to contact de Vies through his cellphone.

De Vries told DIARIO, that everybody could see how he was asking hard questions on the program towards Joran, but nobody expected that something like that would happened, thus that Joran threw wine into his face.

He said that something like that was not that big of a deal, but the fact that Joran could have done something like that, says a lot about his character.

In the past, there has been said that Joran had problem with anger management, and after his act on the program, it can be confirmed that this is the case.

Concerning the picture of Joran with Natalee at Natalee's house, he explained that this was given to him by a person that knew that Joran paid for it to be made. De Vries said that still he does not knwo why Joran made the picture but he considers it a bad joke, since Joran himself said that it was a joke.

[Bearlyhere]

I think the wine toss was planned by Joran, but only in the last few minutes. His stress level had been building during the discussion - for sure - but the show was headed for a restrained ending. Joran felt he needed to even the score by putting DeVries on the spot with his what-if-i-am-innocent question. DeVries did not take that question seriously and brushed it off. The moderator makes a quip and everybody laughs - show over. IMO the laughter appeared to be a reaction to the end of the tension, end of the show. Everyone is relieved, starts relaxing and the participants begin to mix. But Joran is not everyone, misinterprets the social reality, stiffens and plans. Like an infant throwing a bottle, Joran reaches for whatever is closest and throws it. He HAD to do it. He HAD to act to relieve his tension. I don't see him changing anytime soon.

Now we know why his Mom's gut reaction was that he had done something to Natalee.

[igsigs]

Now we know why his Mom's gut reaction was that he had done something to Natalee.

No doubt Bearly. This latest made me go back and re-read the earliest Anita interviews. 2 different times she says *he is not evil*. As if any act just short of evil is still in play.

[Bearlyhere]

Pauw: Did you never say… Or have you never spoken about burying Natalee Holloway?
Joran: No I have never discussed that with the pollice.

He does not say he didn't talk about it, only that he didn't tell the police.

Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. [/[/glow]glow] I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family...
Anita: I can explain that as well… So you can hear it from my own mouth… Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own… And Joran as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens… And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him… That he came home way to late… Uhm… I’m rather strict… Maybe even sometimes I was a little to strict… And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life… that he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted I youth-psychiatrist… He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen… He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conlusive-conversation after that. And that was it… So [b]it was really not just about lying[/b]…
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[private eye]

Pauw: Did you never say… Or have you never spoken about burying Natalee Holloway?
Joran: No I have never discussed that with the pollice.

He does not say he didn't talk about it, only that he didn't tell the police.

Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. [/[/glow]glow] I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family...
Anita: I can explain that as well… So you can hear it from my own mouth… Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own… And Joran as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens… And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him… That he came home way to late… Uhm… I’m rather strict… Maybe even sometimes I was a little to strict… And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life… that he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted I youth-psychiatrist… He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen… He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conlusive-conversation after that. And that was it… So [b]it was really not just about lying[/b]…
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So he was currently seeing a shrink when this happened with Natalee since he was then 17

[greeneyedlady]

I love this post from janee @ RU:

Oh, this is rich! LOL

Personally, I find it hysterical that Joran made a jackass out of his mother, Anita, only moments after she thought she managed to sell Joran as incapable of causing anyone harm.

If Aruba would like to increase its tourist market share, the powers that be should put the entire VDS clan in cages and sell tickets billing the VDS freak show.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Before I go, this is a link to the wine throw with English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpPYqk_klXc&NR=1

I never could get the Nova link to give me anything but audio, so if this is the same thing, I apologize for posting it again!

Good morning...catching up..

This video has been removed...

[Bearlyhere]

Pauw: And so you decide the three of you to make up one story and this is how we’re going to tell it.
Peter: You just can tell the truth can you, when nothing happened? There’s no reason to lie is there?
Joran: Yes, I don’t think the truth sounds that good if you have to say you left a girl at the beach.
Peter: So you think a lie sounds better than the truth?
Joran: Well I didn’t know how serious this all was. I didn’t know there was a serious problem....
Joran: Mister De Vries… I don’t know if you ever…
Peter: Why should they lie?
Witt.: Give him a change to answer this….
Joran: …if you ever were interrogated by the police…. in a murder case…Peter: (Unintelligible. Something like ‘Yes I was’…)
Joran: In a murder-case?!

First he says he didn't know how serious it was and then he says he had to lie because he was nervous being interrogated in a murder-case.  How many murder cases are there that aren't serious?

[msmarple]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   01/12/2008

Quarterly figures AAA to record height 

ORANJESTAD -- Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) has closed the last quarter of 2007 with the highest turnover in the past seven years.  Compared to the 4th quarter of 2006, the number of passengers grew with 19.9 percent and the number of airplane movements with 26 percent. 

The number of passengers that generated turnover in October, November, and December was 16.4 (739.806 passengers), 18.3 (815.958) , and 24.6 percent (902.874) higher than same months in 2006, which is 11.7 percent higher than in the 4th quarter of 2006. 

The airplane movement in the last three months of 2007 grew with 15, 18.4, and 36.5 percent compared to same months in 2006.  The growth is attributed to a big increase of the number of tourists from South-America (77 percent).  The growth was even 109.7 percent in December of 2007; especially from Venezuela.  The number of tourists from North-America, the Neth.Antilles, and Europe grew with 8.5, 19.7, and 21.7 percent.   

“Our efforts and dedication of the entire team have lead to these fantastic quarterly figures”, said a proud Peter Steinmetz, director van AAA, who was recently elected as ‘man of the year’ by the daily Bon Dia. 

He said that he looks forward to 2008 and anticipates that this year is going to be at least as successful.  “We have confidence that 2008 is going to be a strong year for Aruba.”   

[Bearlyhere]

Pauw: Did you never say… Or have you never spoken about burying Natalee Holloway?
Joran: No I have never discussed that with the pollice.

He does not say he didn't talk about it, only that he didn't tell the police.

Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. [/[/glow]glow] I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family...
Anita: I can explain that as well… So you can hear it from my own mouth… Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own… And Joran as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens… And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him… That he came home way to late… Uhm… I’m rather strict… Maybe even sometimes I was a little to strict… And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life… that he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted I youth-psychiatrist… He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen… He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conlusive-conversation after that. And that was it… So [b]it was really not just about lying[/b]…
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So he was currently seeing a shrink when this happened with Natalee since he was then 17

I thought he was finished with the Quickie Aruban 2-Step Anger Management Program by then.  It must be a Drive-thru. 

[Bearlyhere]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   01/12/2008

Quarterly figures AAA to record height 

ORANJESTAD -- Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) has closed the last quarter of 2007 with the highest turnover in the past seven years.  Compared to the 4th quarter of 2006, the number of passengers grew with 19.9 percent and the number of airplane movements with 26 percent. 

The number of passengers that generated turnover in October, November, and December was 16.4 (739.806 passengers), 18.3 (815.958) , and 24.6 percent (902.874) higher than same months in 2006, which is 11.7 percent higher than in the 4th quarter of 2006. 

The airplane movement in the last three months of 2007 grew with 15, 18.4, and 36.5 percent compared to same months in 2006.  The growth is attributed to a big increase of the number of tourists from South-America (77 percent).  The growth was even 109.7 percent in December of 2007; especially from Venezuela.  The number of tourists from North-America, the Neth.Antilles, and Europe grew with 8.5, 19.7, and 21.7 percent.   

“Our efforts and dedication of the entire team have lead to these fantastic quarterly figures”, said a proud Peter Steinmetz, director van AAA, who was recently elected as ‘man of the year’ by the daily Bon Dia. 

He said that he looks forward to 2008 and anticipates that this year is going to be at least as successful.  “We have confidence that 2008 is going to be a strong year for Aruba.”   

So, Joran leaves the country and travel there increases...hmmm...

[Kimmy53]

Just posted by Victor (Lazlo) at Scrux:

Not even a month ago the OM in Aruba "closed" the Natalee Holloway case.
The American student has been missing since May 2005.

Joran van der Sloot has been a prime suspect in this case together with two of his friends.

The decision to make it a sepot was followed due to a lack of new concrete evidence, according to head officer Hans Mos during a press conference.

(clip of Hans Mos) "That fact and the fact that the all three decided to take their right to remain silent during their detention that together has brought us to the conclusion that there simply was not enough juridical evidence to charge and prosecute them".
-end of clip-

Joran van der Sloot has been the prime suspect since 2005 in the Holloway case, he after all was the one that saw her last, and gave statements that were untrue. Later Joran admitted that he had lied.
In November he was arrested again. During his detention that lasted for two weeks Joran again took his right to remain silent.

Last night, Joran together with his parents Joran one more time gave an interview to Pauw and Witteman. At the table also crime reporter Peter de Vries, who has never made it a secret to doubt Joran's statements.

When the broadcasting had ended, the following happened:

-clip of Joran throwing wine in de Vries's face is shown-

De Vries: I think he proved himself a bad service,
Witteman: This incident is not going to contribute to him gaining any much trust.

-clip-
de Vries asking: "Tell me now how did you got home that night".
Joran: I was brought home by D.. Satish the brother of Deepak
"de Vries: But he denies that, he says I did not bring him home at all.
Joran: Yes
de Vries: and first you have stated that Deepak have brought you home, not Satish
Joran: Mr de Vries, I don't know if you...
de Vries: Why would they lie about that?
-end of clip-

Peter Plasman: I found the performance of the family van der Sloot really dramatic (as in not good).
Intervieuwer: Why?
Plasman: Because these people with this story can never win over the battle of the public opinion.

Joran van der Sloot yesterday had come with his parents to the talkshow P&W now that he is not going to be prosecuted about Natalee Holloway, right after the program things get out of hand.

-clip- :
Joran: If there ever will be clearity about what happened, and it turns out you are wrong, will you apologize, are you man enough to do that?
De Vries: What do you think?
Joran: No.
De Vries: No?
Joran nods his head that no he thinks no.
Anita starts to laugh real hard, audience is mumbling.
The interviewer then says: What a beautiful ending of such a ...!
Anita van der Sloot: Nice ending (laughing)
-end of clip-

Witteman: Everybody was shaking hands, any way, Jeroen and I were shaking hands with all our guests, and Joran stood up and I got the impression that Joran was going to shake hands with Peter.

Peter de Vries: After the broadcasting, my sender was taken of and I arrange my clothes, I was looking down, at that moment Joran had stood up and I myself had not seen that, and shortly thereafter I got an amount of wine in my face that he had thrown.
There was a full glass of wine on the table, and he had grabbed that and threw it in my face. And because I did not see that coming I got the wine in my eyes, and of course because there was alcohol in it, that itched.

-clip-
De Vries is standing with his hands for his eyes, his wife next to him and Jeroen Pauw says he should use some water for his eyes.
Anita with a sad voice: Why do you do that now, come on now, ohhh!
Wife of de Vries towards Anita: Now you have done such a great job raising that, yes, very well raised indeed.
-end of clip-

Witteman: After the broadcasting he said he was so agitated during the broadcasting because he had to explain why he had lied again and again, and he had then felt he could do this, now I have the chance, and then he did this.

de Vries: He did this out of a form of frustration, agitation. I have later talked with him, and he then apologized, and he then said that already during the broadcasting he had wanted to insult me, but that during the broadcasting he had been able to held back, but then then at the end, it came out of him, and before he knew/realised it himself he had thrown wine in my face.

-clip-
May 2005, the American Natalee Holloway is with her class on Aruba vacationing, after a night of going out she takes of with some guys, they end up at the beach, in the end she is together with Joran van der Sloot, but ever since there is no trace of Natalee.
Joran van der Sloot is a suspect and is interrogated over and over again, but last month the Aruban judge let go of the case.
-end of clip-

In the interview last night he was attacked because in the case he had taken his right to remain silent.

-clip-
de Vries: The fact that also now, the last time he was arrested he refused to answer any single question during all that time, I find that very strange, and I wonder if this is something his father agrees with, as being a man who attempted to become a judge himself. That your son, In such a crucial case in which a girl has went missing, in which the mother is desperate about the faith of her daughter, that you then keep your mouth shut, while the goal of the investigation is to obtain clearity.
-end of clip-

Interviewer: Why is it a good idea at times to take your right to remain silent?
Peter Plasman: Because if you know the prosecution does not have enough against me and you then remain silent, then there cannot come anything upon that, at least not from me. If justice does not have enough and you are questioned and give answers, you take the risk of making mistakes -regardless if you are innocent or guilty, also innocent people make mistakes- that can be interpreted wrongly, and look we now have contradicting statements, and additional incriminating material.

-clip-
Joran: And I have told everything, and I also feel, why would have have to give the police 20 statements, the only thing they want is to find differences in that.
-end of clip-

Interviewer: To take your right to remain silent in many cases is a normal strategy.
De Vries: Well I do not feel this a normal strategy, we are here not dealing with a career criminal of a drugs case, these usually standardly get the advise of their lawyers to take their right to remain silent.
We are here dealing with a guy who last saw a girl, so please give me one reason why you would not tell your story.

-clip-
Joran: I no longer have faith in the OM in Aruba, they are not after truthfinding in this case, they just want to hang someone. Just for their own ego's.
Witteman: Also when the person is innocent?
Joran: Yes also when the person is innocent I am convinced of that.
de Vries: I find it kind of strange you say that you have no trust in the OM, while you are the one who have continued to lie.
Joran: Yes I have lied, I admit that, but there are reasons for that, and those reasons you know also.
de Vries: I would like to know these reasons, to lie about something you did, while you have nothing to hide. Why would you have to lie then, please explain.
-end of clip-

Plasman: This could not go right. The questions of Peter de Vries could have been predicted in advance, it were very legitimate questions. Questions like, why remain silent if you have nothing to hide, you cannot explain that yourself, if you want to explain that you will have to let a professional do that.
Plus all the inside information that was given, especially by the father, I found the role of father especially saddening (as in worse of all) .Well, they just never should have done this (going on the show).

-clip-
Anita: Now I am his mother, I love him very much, I am convinced he would not harm a girl.
These initial emotions for me are also important to notice at him, because I did actually had doubts about him for a while.
I have thought, damn, could an accident have happened, could something have happened, does he not want to tell?
-end of clip-

Plasman: If you go to a television broadcasting, and you know in advance that the mother is going to say that she has doubted her son, then that in itself is a reason not to go.
Interviewer: So this is not so smart
Plasman: No no no
Plasman: Especially the father should have known what questions would come up, and how the mother would react upon the questions. And if he knows that if there is going to be a question did you ever doubt him and that she is going to answer yes, he should have decided not to go there.

-clip-
Witteman: You were a stand in judge
Paulus: Yes
Witteman: Imagine Joran had told you, dad I did something terrible, what would you have done?
Paulus: I would have gone with him to him to the OM.
Witteman: Did you had a talk about this?
Anita: Between us as parents? Yes, yes.
Witteman: And you agreed with that?
Anita: Yes I agreed with that fully.
Witteman: You would then have brought in your own son?
Anita: Yes
Joran: And I can confirm that also.
-end of clip-

Plasman: What I found dramatically to hear from the parents was that they said, if he had told them he had something to do with it, that they would have gone to the police, since that means as parents you are cutting of your role as a parent to your son, you then know going to your parents with your problems, asking advise, telling what happened means jail, the parents taking over the role of police officers, incredible for parents.

clip-
-Wine incident is shown again-

de Vries: I can imagine it in many ways and do not make a big deal out of this. I mean if this is the worse you have to meet in your career as a crime reporter, then I have no reason to complain.

Witteman: By a larger public I think he has become more solid in the chair of a supsect, but we will have to wait for the body of Natalee Holloway to know what really has happened.

http://www.novatv.nl/novaplayer/player169.html?bw=bb&player=wmp&id=hpe-1-0&x=11&y=6#

These two bolded sentences tell alot....OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH - Before I realized what I was doing!!!!  I am sure that this was mild - compared to his reaction of Natalee saying NO!  What does this say?  Just as we have said all along - Joran has a bad temper, at he has no control over what he does when his temper flairs.  He said it himself....AND - it is caught on camera!

Then, Anita- "I Had My Doubts".....Come on...keep on talking.

[Kimmy53]

I love this post from janee @ RU:

Oh, this is rich! LOL

Personally, I find it hysterical that Joran made a jackass out of his mother, Anita, only moments after she thought she managed to sell Joran as incapable of causing anyone harm.

If Aruba would like to increase its tourist market share, the powers that be should put the entire VDS clan in cages and sell tickets billing the VDS freak show.

 

[Dayhiker]

IN ARUBA THEY ALL THROW WINE:

Joran and the Kalpoes throw wine in the face of an innocent girl, ending her life to save their own.

Paulus van der Sloot throws wine in the face of honesty and morality to save his son and himself from their crimes.

Jan van der Straten and Karin Janssen throw wine in the face of integrity, conducting a crooked investigation to save their friend PaulUs.

AHATA and ATA and their Mafia owners throw wine in the face of the victim and her family to protect their tourism.

The Aruba newspapers (sans Jossy) throws wine in the face of truth by lying to protect their friends the van der Sloots.

The Dutch Judges throw wine in the face of justice to make sure their good friend Paulus and his son go free.


WINE THROWING IS AN ART IN ARUBA.

[Dayhiker]

These two bolded sentences tell alot....OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH - Before I realized what I was doing!!!!  I am sure that this was mild - compared to his reaction of Natalee saying NO!  What does this say?  Just as we have said all along - Joran has a bad temper, at he has no control over what he does when his temper flairs.  He said it himself....AND - it is caught on camera!

Then, Anita- "I Had My Doubts".....Come on...keep on talking.

Exactly Kimmy. What other damage has he done before he realized he was doing it?

[Dayhiker]

Pauw: And so you decide the three of you to make up one story and this is how we’re going to tell it.
Peter: You just can tell the truth can you, when nothing happened? There’s no reason to lie is there?
Joran: Yes, I don’t think the truth sounds that good if you have to say you left a girl at the beach.
Peter: So you think a lie sounds better than the truth?
Joran: Well I didn’t know how serious this all was. I didn’t know there was a serious problem....
Joran: Mister De Vries… I don’t know if you ever…
Peter: Why should they lie?
Witt.: Give him a change to answer this….
Joran: …if you ever were interrogated by the police…. in a murder case…Peter: (Unintelligible. Something like ‘Yes I was’…)
Joran: In a murder-case?!

First he says he didn't know how serious it was and then he says he had to lie because he was nervous being interrogated in a murder-case.  How many murder cases are there that aren't serious?

BINGO Bearly! Trapped in another lie. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts himself.

[Bearlyhere]

These two bolded sentences tell alot....OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH - Before I realized what I was doing!!!!  I am sure that this was mild - compared to his reaction of Natalee saying NO!  What does this say?  Just as we have said all along - Joran has a bad temper, at he has no control over what he does when his temper flairs.  He said it himself....AND - it is caught on camera!

Then, Anita- "I Had My Doubts".....Come on...keep on talking.

Exactly Kimmy. What other damage has he done before he realized he was doing it?

I can see the reasoning now...The devil made me do it...Joran Vin Der Sloot

[Bearlyhere]

Pauw: And so you decide the three of you to make up one story and this is how we’re going to tell it.
Peter: You just can tell the truth can you, when nothing happened? There’s no reason to lie is there?
Joran: Yes, I don’t think the truth sounds that good if you have to say you left a girl at the beach.
Peter: So you think a lie sounds better than the truth?
Joran: Well I didn’t know how serious this all was. I didn’t know there was a serious problem....
Joran: Mister De Vries… I don’t know if you ever…
Peter: Why should they lie?
Witt.: Give him a change to answer this….
Joran: …if you ever were interrogated by the police…. in a murder case…Peter: (Unintelligible. Something like ‘Yes I was’…)
Joran: In a murder-case?!

First he says he didn't know how serious it was and then he says he had to lie because he was nervous being interrogated in a murder-case.  How many murder cases are there that aren't serious?

BINGO Bearly! Trapped in another lie. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts himself.

Don't you mean JINGO, Dayhiker?

[Nut44x4]

It is up at 24ora w/ comments
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3475/6/#jc_allComments

[msmarple]

Several articles about Joran's TV appearance/tantrum in today's Diario.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=30   01/14/2008

Link is to Local section of Diario.

Joran van der sloot a perde cabez, despues di programa hulandes       

Monday, 14 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Durante e programa Hulandes hopi conoci, “Pauw en Witteman”, e conocido Peter R. de Vries, di e programa “Misdaad verslaggever”, a mustra di tabata hopi convenci cu Joran van der Sloot mester sa mas di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.

El a bisa cu Joran te ainda mester worde considera sospechoso principal den e caso di desaparicion di e hoben Mericano.

Esaki specialmente mirando e hecho cu asina hopi biaha Joran a gaña, durante su declaracionnan.
Joran na dado momento a puntra Peter de Vries, si den futuro e lo pidi su disculpa, si sali na cla cu e ta inocente. De Vries no a conteste.

Na final di e programa, Joran a puntra de Vries mesun pregunta atrobe y De Vries a bisa cu sali na cla cu e ta inocente, e lo pidi disculpa.

Joran e ora ey a bisa de Vries, cu e no ta haya cu de Vries ta suficiente homber, pa pidi disculpa.
Joran eynan a cuminza mustra caba e rabia cu e tabata tin den direccion di de Vries.

Despues di e programa, diripiente Joran a coi un glas di biña cora y a tira esaki den cara di de Vries.
Mesora Joran y su tata a sali for di e studio.

Mama Anita ainda a pidi disculpa pa loke su yiu a haci.

Despues diferente biaha Joran mes a ofrece su disculpa y de Vries a acepta esaki.
Despues di e programa de Vries a bisa si cu Joran cu e hecho di tira e biña den su cara, a haci mas daño na su mes.

Segun de Vries, mayornan di Joran ta purba haci como si fuera e ta un mucha homber hopi bon educa, pero cu e accion aki, Joran a demostra cu e tin problema pa controla su emocionnan y ken sa si algo asina lo por a pasa ora cue tabata cu Natalee.

Online Pap translation:

joran van der sloot owing to lose cabez,
after of declaration of policy dutch

monday, 14 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): during the declaration of policy dutch much conoci, “pauw provided that witteman”, the conocido peter r. de vries, of the declaration of policy “misdaad verslaggever”, owing to show of was much convenci cu joran van der sloot have to know more of desaparicion of natalee holloway.

past owing to tell cu joran till still have to worde considera sospechoso principal in the caso of desaparicion of the young mericano.

this specialmente mirando the mature cu so much trip joran owing to lie, during his declaracionnan.
joran at dado instant owing to ask about peter de vries, if in future the will ask his disculpa, if leave at cla cu the is inocente. de vries not owing to conteste.

at end of the declaration of policy, joran owing to ask about de vries same question again y de vries owing to tell cu leave at cla cu the is inocente, the will ask disculpa.

joran the hour ey owing to tell de vries, cu the do not achieve cu de vries is sufficient man, for ask disculpa.
joran eynan owing to cuminza show end the angry cu the was have in direccion of de vries.

after of the declaration of policy, diripiente joran owing to coi one glass of wine cora y owing to throw this in cara of de vries. at once joran y his father owing to leave for of the studio.

mother anita still owing to ask disculpa for thing his child owing to haci.

after various trip joran self owing to ofrece his disculpa y de vries owing to acepta this.
after of the declaration of policy de vries owing to tell if cu joran cu the mature of throw the wine in his cara, owing to haci more damage at his self.

according de vries, parents of joran is try haci because; if fuera the is one boy much good educa, but cu the accion here, joran owing to demostra cu the have problem for controla his emocionnan y that know if algo so will can owing to happen hour cue was cu natalee.

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This one is about the fake Joran-Natalee "portrait" ...

Joran a laga traha potret di dje hunto cu natalee, como joke       

Monday, 14 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diasabra anochi na canal 11 di Cabel, esta BVN, a pasa e programa “Pauw en Witteman”, riba cual Joran van der Sloot a aparece hunto cu su mama Anita y su tata Paul.

Durante e programa varios pregunta a worde haci den nan direccion di parti di Jeroen Pauw y Paul Witteman, pero tambe di parti di Peter R. de Vries, di e programa “Misdaad Verslaggever”.

De Vries tabata hopi agresivo contra Joran, indicando cu e ta kere cu Joran ta e sospechoso principal te ainda den e caso aki.

Na dado momento pa sorpresa di tur hende, de Vries a saca un potret for di su saco, riba cual por mira Natalee Hunto cu Joran, na cas di Natalee na Alabama.

Tabata obvio si cu tabata un potret traha, pasobra nunca Joran a bay cas di Natalee.
Joran a bisa cu un amigo di dje a traha e potret y a mande pe.

De Vries a bisa cu Joran a paga un hende pa traha e potret aki.
Segun Joran, el a djis laga traha e potret aki como un joke.

Presentadornan di e programa e ora ey a puntre con e por a haci un joke, den un caso asina serio di desaparicion di un mucha muher.

Durante henter e programa mama y tata di Joran a purba pinta nan yiu como un mucha bon cria, mientras cu de Vries a sigui lanza remarkenan di duda cu Joran lo no sa nada di e desaparicion.

De Vries a sigui para ariba, cu e hecho cu Joran a gaña asina hopi biaha, ta mustra cu e mester por sa algo mas.

Online Pap translation:

joran owing to let work potret of dje together cu natalee, because; joke

monday, 14 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): saturday night at canal 11 of cabel, esta bvn, owing to happen the declaration of policy “pauw provided that witteman”, on cual joran van der sloot owing to aparece together cu his mother anita y his father paul.

during the declaration of policy several question owing to worde haci in they direccion of part of jeroen pauw y paul witteman, but also of part of peter r. de vries, of the declaration of policy “misdaad verslaggever”.

de vries was much aggressive contra joran, indicando cu the is believe cu joran is the sospechoso principal till still in the caso here.

at dado instant for surprise of everybody, de vries owing to saca one potret for of his saco, on cual can see natalee together cu joran, at home of natalee at alabama.

was obvio if cu was one potret work, because never joran owing to bay cas of natalee.
joran owing to tell cu one amigo of dje owing to work the potret y owing to mande pe.

de vries owing to tell cu joran owing to pay a for work the potret here. according joran, past owing to immidiately let work the potret here because; one joke.

presentadornan of the declaration of policy the hour ey owing to puntre con the can owing to haci one joke, in one caso so earnest of desaparicion of one child muher.

during all the declaration of policy mother y father of joran owing to try draw they child because; one child good cria, while cu de vries owing to follow lanza remarkenan of doubt cu joran will not know nothing of the desaparicion.

de vries owing to follow stop upstairs, cu the mature cu joran owing to lie so much trip, is show cu the have to can know algo more.

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Diario interviewed de Vries via cell phone after the wine-throwing incident.

DIARIO cu entrevista Exclusivo cu Peter de Vries: E accion di joran ta bisa hopi       

Monday, 14 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Despues di e incidente cu a sosode den TV Studio na Hulanda, unda cu Joran van der Sloot a rek man y tira un glas di biña cora den cara di Peter R. de Vries, riba e programa Hulandes conoci “Pauw en Witteman”, DIARIO a dicidi di contact De Vries, y a haya contacto cune atravez di su celular.

De Vries a bisa DIARIO, cu tur hende por a mira den e programa con e tabata haci preguntanan fuerte den direccion di Joran, pero e no a spera cu algo asina a sosode, pues cu Joran lo tira biña den su cara.
El a bisa cu pe algo asina no ta nada grave, pero e hecho cu Joran por a haci algo asina, ta bisa hopi di su caracter.

Den pasado a worde bisa cu Joran tabata tin problema cu “Anger Management” y su actuacion despues die programa, por confirma cu di berdad esaki ta e caso.

Pa loke ta e potret di Joran y Natalee na cas di Natalee na Alabama, de Vries a splica cu el a haye for di un persona, kende tabata sa cu Joran a paga hende pa traha e potret.

De Vries a bisa cu te ainda e no sa exactamente di con Joran a laga traha e potret, pero e ta haya cu ta un mal joke, mirando cu Joran mes a bisa cu tabata pa un joke e potret a worde traha.

Mientras tanto DIARIO a tuma nota ta cuanto Hulandes a reacciona sorprendi riba e actitud di Joran. Ta parce cu opinion publico di Hulandesnan tabata completamente anti-Joran. Nan ta mira cu awor di berdad Joran tin problema pa domina su mes y su rabia. E dudanan a cuminza crece mas cerca Hulandesnan.

Hasta websitenan Mericano a tuma nota di loke a pasa na Hulanda cu Joran, y nan tambe ta cuminza mustra un biaha mas riba e problema di domina su mes.

Online Pap translation:

daily paper cu interview exclusivo cu peter de vries: the accion of joran is tell much

monday, 14 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): after of the incidente cu owing to sosode in tv studio at the netherlands, where cu joran van der sloot owing to calculate hand y throw one glass of wine cora in cara of peter r. de vries, on the declaration of policy dutch conoci “pauw provided that witteman”, daily paper owing to dicidi of contact de vries, y owing to achieve contacto cune atravez of his celular.

de vries owing to tell daily paper, cu everybody can owing to see in the declaration of policy con the was haci questions strong in direccion of joran, but the not owing to wait for cu algo so owing to sosode, then cu joran will throw wine in his cara. past owing to tell cu pe algo so do not nothing important, but the mature cu joran can owing to haci algo so, is tell much of his caracter.

in pasado owing to worde tell cu joran was have problem cu “anger management” y his actuacion after die declaration of policy, can confirma cu of berdad this is the caso.

for thing is the potret of joran y natalee at home of natalee at alabama, de vries owing to splica cu past owing to haye for of one person, that was know cu joran owing to pay person for work the potret.

de vries owing to tell cu till still the not know exactly of con joran owing to let work the potret, but the is achieve cu is one bad joke, mirando cu joran self owing to tell cu was for one joke the potret owing to worde work.

all the time daily paper did take notice is cuanto dutch owing to reacciona sorprendi on the actitud of joran. is seems cu opinion publico of hulandesnan was completamente anti-joran. they're see cu now of berdad joran have problem for domina his self y his angry. the dudanan owing to cuminza crece more close hulandesnan.

even websitenan mericano did take notice of thing owing to happen at the netherlands cu joran, y they also is cuminza show once more on the problem of domina his self.

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Anita van der sloot na comienzo a kere cu joran tabatin algo di haber cu loke a pasa cu natalee       

Monday, 14 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Recientemente Joran van der Sloot hunto cu su mama y tata Paulus, a presenta den un programa conoci na Hulanda esta “Pauw en Witteman”.Durante e programa diferente pregunta a worde haci den direccon di Joran y su tata, relaciona cu e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.

Peter R. de Vries di e programa “Peter R. de Vries Misdaad versalggever”, tambe tabata presente den e programa y tabata haci varios pregunta den direccion di Joran, na un manera hopi fuerte.

De Vries a bisa tambe cu e ta haya cu Joran mester sa mas di e caso y cu e ta keda sospechoso principal.
Segun de Vries, ta incomprendibel, cu un persona ta keda keto, den un caso asina serio.

El a referi na e hecho cu ultimo biaha cu Joran hunto cu e rumannan Kalpoe a worde deteni na November, e tambe a dicidi di no declara nada.

Paul van der Sloot durante e programa a admiti cu el a bisa Joran pa e no declara nada.
Segun Paul, su yiu a declara tur cos caba y no tabata tin nada di gana, si e haci mas declaracionnan.

Mama di Joran, esta Anita van der Sloot a papia hopi tambe durante e programa, cu a worde pasa na canal 11 esta BVN.

El a bisa cu ta lamentable cu casi ningun investigacion a tuma lugar den direccion di famia y amigonan di Natalee.

Señora van der Sloot a bisa si cu na comienzo di e caso el a kere cu quizas un accidente a sosode cu Natalee y cu Joran lo por tabata tin algo di haber cu esaki.

Ambos mayor di Joran a bisa cu si Joran a indica cu e tabata tin algo di haber cu desaparicion di e hoben Mericano, nan a bay husticia di biaha.

E mama a sigui bisa tambe cu e ta spera cu ainda investigacion sigui y specialmente den direccion di Merca.
El a bisa tambe cu e ta desea pa bin un investigacion, riba e investigacion cu a tuma lugar.

Durante e programa Hulandes, presentadornan di e programa a puntra Joran y su tata, si nan ta kere cu e mucha muher ta bibo of morto.

Paulus a bisa cu e ta kere hopi cu e mucha muher ta bibo.

Joran a bisa cu e tin duda, pero el a bisa cu si e mucha muher ta bibo, nan tin e wanta contra su boluntad, pasobra si e mes ta keda scondi, e mester ta hopi mal hende, kedando scondi, sabiendo con grandi e daño ta cu e ta causando.

Online Pap translation:

anita van der sloot at comienzo owing to believe cu joran had algo of haber cu thing owing to happen cu natalee

monday, 14 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): recientemente joran van der sloot together cu his mother y father paulus, owing to present in one declaration of policy conoci at the netherlands esta “pauw provided that witteman”.durante the declaration of policy various question owing to worde haci in direccon of joran y his father, relaciona cu the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway.

peter r. de vries of the declaration of policy “peter r. de vries misdaad versalggever”, also was present in the declaration of policy y was haci several question in direccion of joran, at one as much strong.

de vries owing to tell also cu the is achieve cu joran have to know more of the caso y cu the is stay sospechoso principal.
according de vries, is incomprendibel, cu one person is stay keto, in one caso so earnest.

past owing to referi at the mature cu ultimo trip cu joran together cu the rumannan kalpoe owing to worde deteni at november, the also owing to dicidi of not declara nothing.

paul van der sloot during the declaration of policy owing to admiti cu past owing to tell joran for her not declara nothing.
according paul, his child owing to declara all cos end y not was have nothing of earn, if the haci more declaracionnan.

mother of joran, esta anita van der sloot owing to talk much also during the declaration of policy, cu owing to worde happen at canal 11 esta bvn.

past owing to tell cu is lamentable cu casi none investigacion did take lugar in direccion of family y amigonan of natalee.

madam van der sloot owing to tell if cu at comienzo of the caso past owing to believe cu quizas one accidente owing to sosode cu natalee y cu joran will can was have algo of haber cu this.

both parent of joran owing to tell cu if joran owing to indica cu the was have algo of haber cu desaparicion of the young mericano, they owing to bay husticia of trip.

the mother owing to follow tell also cu the is wait for cu still investigacion follow y specialmente in direccion of merca. past owing to tell also cu the is desea for come one investigacion, on the investigacion cu did take lugar.

during the declaration of policy dutch, presentadornan of the declaration of policy owing to ask about joran y his father, if they're believe cu the child muher is bibo or dead.

paulus owing to tell cu the is believe much cu the child muher is bibo.

joran owing to tell cu the have doubt, but past owing to tell cu if the child muher is bibo, they have the wanta contra his boluntad, because if the self is stay scondi, the have to is much bad person, kedando scondi, sabiendo con big the damage is cu the is causando.

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