Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

I am with you both.

However ... I contend that the "powers that be" in Aruba have deemed the Natalee Holloway case is over but ... as our Dayhiker claims ... "It ain't over until Beth says it is over!"  ... and according to Beth that could be a long time. 

Janet

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The "Powers that be" in Aruba

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
By NBC 13 Staff
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From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html


Beth Holloway Twitty

Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

HOLLOWAY-TWITTY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.

I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

[Kermit]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

Strategy at it's best perhaps, one would hope or the alternative is the Dutch are stupid.

[Helen Back]

Helen Back - I fixed it for you 

Have to run out for a bit, be right back!

Oh, thanks Klaas! I love it!  You and CBB are the best!  Gotta go watch Oprah on EST.  Be back to catch up later!

 

[wreck]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

Strategy at it's best perhaps, one would hope or the alternative is the Dutch are stupid.

I am now convinced it is the latter -- that was what I was banking on the first time I trusted them.

[Dihannah1]

Watching Beth on Oprah now.  What a classy, dignified lady she is!   She looks so good.

Thank GOD Oprah is showing this and covering as much as she is.

[hotping]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

Strategy at it's best perhaps, one would hope or the alternative is the Dutch are stupid.

Strategy is what I'm prayiing for.....

[Dihannah1]

I don't even dare go see what the haters are saying, because it would be WAY beyond my comprehension and piss me off to bad!  I cringe thinking about it.....Oprah did tout Beth's book, we know how she "sells" books and I hope so MANY more people buy it and learn more specifics than what was shown.   

[Helen Back]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

Strategy at it's best perhaps, one would hope or the alternative is the Dutch are stupid.

Strategy is what I'm prayiing for.....

Me Too!  I don't believe it's over.  Until Natalee is found and her family can know the truth about what happened to her, I will NEVER give up. 

[Magnolia]

IT IS SNOWING TO BEAT SIXTY AT MY HOUSE!

That is a rare event.

[Anna]

Oh, dear, I see my little fans at another site that hang on to my every word are concerned that I am lacking is the nuances of understand a person to whom English is a second language.  Just wanted to assure the little darlings, bless their hearts, that this is not the case since I was married to an individual to whom English was a third language (fourth if you count dialects of Native South Americans) for 25 years and we managed to communicate well enough to have reared three children to an acceptable level of maturity and success.

Their concern arises over my understanding of the word "pushed" as used by Joran and the fact they seem to think he means forced in a sexual manner.

I will admit that this was my first understanding of his use of the word but then I realized who had actually spoken it and changed my mind to taking it literally and physically.

Joran is no more capable of the employment of an allusion than the baboons whose behavior he imitates with his flinging substance onto another person.  He is functioning at a level just slightly higher than the lower primates, present company of monkeys excepted, and so I think speaks pretty much literally.

Lord only knows what he would have resorted to had not that glass of wine been handy for his slinging activity since primitive does not begin to address the problems this person has.  Have to wonder if it is the effect of all that booze on a developing brain that has so stunted his cognitive abilities to such an extent that he now mimic apes on international television.

That's my take on it and on his use of the word pushed and why I think that. 

MOO

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[Maggie]

I just finished watching the Oprah show. Beth did a wonderful job. Oprah was very considerate. What you don't capture without seeing the program is the camera and the still shots. Oprah and Beth were both very careful not to accuse anyone, but the still shots at the beginning leave no doubt. The camera zoomed in for closeups of the Kalpoes and Joran. They were "men"; the word "boys" was never uttered. The stills and clips of Natalee were innocent and pure. Although I would have liked a longer segment and a whole display of evidence, this was great!

[Magnolia]

Kermit...I'm with You I Do Not Think it is Over Either! JMHO

Strategy at it's best perhaps, one would hope or the alternative is the Dutch are stupid.

I am now convinced it is the latter -- that was what I was banking on the first time I trusted them.

I trusted Mos so much when the perps were rearrested. 
It is hard now to believe in him now, but I still have hope.

[Maggie]

Anna,
It's laughable that anyone would question your language. I guess the "other side" (of the universe) cannot grasp the subtlety of your answers. Your post probably flew right past them!

[dennisintn]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=30&limit=9&limitstart=9

Link is to Local section of Diario.

Turistanan disgusta na compania di tour       

 

acaso the thief owing to corda cu the “tin one mama” hour cu the is kibrando in cas y negoshinan rond of aruba?  *

thanks Ms Marple....even with the translations I still can't make heads or tails of it.....Will someone give a brief synopsis of the translation for me?  thanks

I think you're quoting the headline for one story, and a snip of text from another story.

In one story, a tourist complained (to the point of involving polis) about a "company tour" that was unsatisfactory. The company advertises a "money back guarantee if not completely satisfied" and refused to return the money. Polis calmed the parties; not known whether a refund materialized.

In the other article, someone broke into a club (Club Portuguese? IIRC) and stole some stuff. Apparently polis think they have useful fingerprints. The article goes on into the bit about someone's mama - I *think* the writer is saying that there have been complaints about publishing suspect's pictures/names because those people all have mothers ... 

Thanks Ms. Marple....I just snipped most of the text to save space....sorry.....but thanks for the translations......

IMO....too damn bad those suspects have mother's...so does Natalee...and she has been treated like crap and her daughter has been trashed all over that hell hole island....I am out of sympathy for anyone connected to aruba

amen, texaslady, amen.  of course, to them, natalee wasn't a human being with a mother and family, she was "just a little tourist girl who wasn't going to spend any more money there".
dennisintn

[Anna]

Anna,
It's laughable that anyone would question your language. I guess the "other side" (of the universe) cannot grasp the subtlety of your answers. Your post probably flew right past them!

Well, Maggie, they do seem rather taken with the fact that so many in Aruba issue the empty claim of speaking so many languages when apparently they have failed to actually master any of them because we can't even get a straight translation from them.

They don't even understand each other and yet seek to lecture others on how their linguistic skills are some how or other demonstrable of some sort of intelligence.

Most of those of us in this country who are over forty attended school when two years of a foreign language was a requirement in high school and yet we refrain from grandiose claims of fluency in languages over which our grasp is tentative at best.  I only wish they had done the same and from the onset so this would not have become an issue this late in the investigation.

Not so the Arubans.  Then we get claims of translation errors on just about every document that exists in this investigation at some time or another.

And you will have to admit that the place one is most likely to observe one flinging substances onto others is in the primate house at the local zoo.  Yet Arleen told us that Joran is smarter than the ALE officers who were questioning him.  Is it any wonder this is a royal FUBAR, to use a military term!  That's just the image that goes through my head when I see the flinging behavior on the part of this person, the similarities in baboon behavior and Joran, no offense to the baboons who at least have that as their excuse while he has none.

[dennisintn]

 The camera zoomed in for closeups of the Kalpoes and Joran. They were "men"; the word "boys" was never uttered. The stills and clips of Natalee were innocent and pure. Although I would have liked a longer segment and a whole display of evidence, this was great!
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lol, there are no photos or clips of natalee that aren't innocent and pure. 
dennisintn

[Anna]

dennis,
I have often wondered if Natalee had stiffed the HI for her bill, if they would not have found her by sundown.  Too bad they weren't looking for dollars, only an abused little tourist girl who happened to cross paths with some of the local sociopaths on the prowl.

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[Tylergal]

Just lurking.  Beth is always graceful and full of humility.  Another good book segment for Oprah.  That more viewers have seen a minuscule of what Beth has been through opens her plight to more people and thereby, fewer people who might plan a trip to Aruba.

[Anna]

Going to watch Oprah for she is on at four p.m. in most of the State of Alabama I do believe.

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[Maggie]

Anna,
This one is for you...click to start
http://www.addictinggames.com/supermonkeypoopflinging.html