Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[texasmom]

FYI - so you are all in the loop.  Those two psychic nuts have gone on live Aruban TV spewing their lies.  It was just on Telearuba.  There is also an audio on ArubaZone.  I have forwarded the information to Beth and Jug.  JQK may be interrested in it as well.  Just wanted you to know about it as I'm sure RU will be posting it soon.

Is that the same two nuts that taped Beth and sent the tape to Medley?
If so Julia Renfro is all up in the middle of that.

I believe so

RenHo probably took them a couple dozen eggs and told them to do anything they could to distract from Beth's appearance on Oprah today.

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

Did watch Oprah, as I usually do & will say that I was disappointed that more time was not afforded as the corruption, the blogging presence of misinformation, the changing of statements by officials, the horror of families experiencing tragedy befalling their loved ones necessitating incredible financial resources is not addressed, in addition to the OTHERS that have disappeared from that hellhole rock off the coast of Venezualla that offers so many free trips to unsuspecting people.

How many tourists choose their destination based on pricing.  The pricing in regards to the hellhole rock of Aruba is subsidized by the illegal activities that utilize the tourist industry numbers, whether paying or not, to obtain financing from the World Bank.  How many families will it take to have the corruption addressed in these destinations before their actions are HALTED.  One can take every precaution there is & NOT BE SAFE FROM THESE TYPE OF PREDATOR'S.

I truly believe that there are cameras in many places that tourists would expect complete privacy on that hellhole of Aruba as well as other similiar "tourist traps".  Think it is time that it is addressed at least by the USA media.

Am going to log onto Oprah's website to see what is being posted.

I believe but I could be mistaken that Oprah owns property in Aruba, but I will be happy to stand corrected if you find otherwise, but I think she and Johnny Cochran were in some kind of business together there. 

Oprah owns property in Hawaii.
Johnny Cochran is/was buddies with Jossy Mansur.

[greeneyedlady]

MF Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:38 pm   
Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not. 

It's about information that he got since 2006 but since some leaked out today, he asked for this.

[Kermit]

I just finished watching the Oprah show. Beth did a wonderful job. Oprah was very considerate. What you don't capture without seeing the program is the camera and the still shots. Oprah and Beth were both very careful not to accuse anyone, but the still shots at the beginning leave no doubt. The camera zoomed in for closeups of the Kalpoes and Joran. They were "men"; the word "boys" was never uttered. The stills and clips of Natalee were innocent and pure. Although I would have liked a longer segment and a whole display of evidence, this was great!

It's called a storyboard.

[klaasend]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

[klaasend]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

As much as I hate to do this, because it's all BS, here is the ArubaZone link to what they are talking about.  These people were also LIVE on Telearuba tonight.  Listen to the audio link:

http://www.aruba-zone.com/

Prepare to be pissed 

[Dayhiker]

RenHo probably took them a couple dozen eggs and told them to do anything they could to distract from Beth's appearance on Oprah today.

RFLMAO!!!! 

[Buckeye]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

Well, if they are going to reopen the case, I want Anita to explain why she was worried about Joran and an accident while she was still in Holland.  Supposedly they believed the HI story until after Joran was arrested.  She also gave an interview in Libelle June 2007 that Paulus called her in Holland with a concern that Joran was the last with "the girl".  Freddy knew about the lie Monday afternoon before Natalee's family arrived to "panic" him.  It's in a PV. Who counseled these guys to stick together with a HI lie?  If the two little ones didn't fly back with her, who flew on the other two VDS tickets??  The two lawyer friends from Holland??  Why?? 

[Observer]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

As much as I hate to do this, because it's all BS, here is the ArubaZone link to what they are talking about.  These people were also LIVE on Telearuba tonight.  Listen to the audio link:

http://www.aruba-zone.com/

Prepare to be pissed 

He doesn't back up anything up whatsever. Outrageous claims that Natalee was pregnant and the likely Father was Jug..Implying the Family is covering up and Edward Croes witnessed another Murder that was tied to Natalee because they were trying to hide she was alive. Doesn't make sense because he says before that he says Natalee died on a drug binge partying. This guy just pulled the most dispicable act that equals or comes close to what Renfro has done the last 31 months. He even implied Renfro was involved in another part of the coverup! 

[Buckeye]

That was not new...hold on...

[Dayhiker]

MF Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:38 pm   
Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not. 

It's about information that he got since 2006 but since some leaked out today, he asked for this.

Rudy Croes, Aruba's most celebrated whoremonger and slave trader, is quick on the draw isn't he? Waited two years to invite the Dutch into the case. Took him that long to be convinced the cover-up succeeded.

[Shell]

Beth looks great. She is a beautiful lady.

[klaasend]

That was not new...hold on...

I know the accusations and these two nuts are new, but they were on live TV tonight and now Rudy Croes is making a big deal about it too.  It's all BS!

[Tamikosmom]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

Obvious ... Rudy Croes had filling Paulus and Anita van der Sloot to this issue prior to their guest interview on the P&W SHOW on January 11, 2008.

Janet

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Translation - EURoberts - FP Comments

Paulus and Anita van der Sloot
P&W SHOW
January 11, 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2522.0

Paul: What stands out is, there is no profile of the girl, what kind of girl was she, who where her contacts, something very simple, the computer of the girl has never been researched, I nowhere saw the family of the girl has been investigated, her friends. Where you really have to start the investigation, is with the people closest to the girl, and really after 10 million dollars, that has not happened.

Host + de vries: No, you start with the person who was last seen with that person. What could have been found if you had started with this?

Anita: We know that people have been seen on the beach. We know that the electronic swipe card from the hotel has been used, within a time frame she could have walked, we know that the card has been used 3 times. We know that security guards where in the neighborhood. It looks like she could have used the card, to get into the room.

(De Vries: other people could have used that card)

Joran: her room was on the ground floor.

Anita: You can walk straight from the beach to her room. There are about 7 or 8 statements. That witnesses have seen her walking.

Host: Someone from a gas station says: I saw Natalee H. the day after she disappeared with an other man, and later the same man came back without the girl. Has there not been a good investigation?

Paul and Anita both: No.

Paul: There is a video, and people are stating that Natalee is in there, after she disappeared. We have asked to see the video, but we never saw it.

Anita: The video from the HI, yes.The hall from the HI. The poster we just saw from the missed, (They showed the missing poster on tv), There are several versions of a poster. Beth H came with her family to my school. This is 48 hours later, yes. She was on on the island very quickly, which I would do also, she came inside the school, she brought with her the "kidnapped: poster. but there is an other poster with "Hootie call big hootie". Then you think: Oh this girl has run away. She also hung posters in the school with: kidnapped by Joran vander Sloot, within a very short period of time. I thought, you can't do this, this is strange. I had, and still have the feeling that there is more. Behind all this is a different story, not behind Joran, but on the other side. I would like to see this investigated.
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[SunnyinTX]

FYI - so you are all in the loop.  Those two psychic nuts have gone on live Aruban TV spewing their lies.  It was just on Telearuba.  There is also an audio on ArubaZone.  I have forwarded the information to Beth and Jug.  JQK may be interrested in it as well.  Just wanted you to know about it as I'm sure RU will be posting it soon.

I was forwarded the link to ArubaZone and listened to it ...who are these nut cases? I hope Beth and Jug sue their asses...and anyone else's name they mentioned,,,,(and they mentioned a lot)..holy moley...what bullcrap!!  psychic my tail bone!!!

[Buckeye]

http://www.freedomofblog.com/forum29/751-1.html

Castillo and Young contacted Beth later on and told her all what they found out on the island, and Beth did not like that and she told them that she is no longer interested who were the last people with Natalee, she just wanted revenge on the island and the three suspects punished.

The ALE has all the recordings and statements made by Castillo and Young while they met the Twitty's,

"The following is an interesting email sent to Associated Press. It is self explanatory. Does it have validity? I don't know, but if we could hear that recording it would certainly be interesting."


To Whom This May Concern,
Quote:

I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway. My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young; we work together and are put in a category of being a "medium". We are able to communicate with people that have passed away, and we help bring comfort or messages to people still living with the help from our Indian spirit guides. We take what we do very serious because we are dealing with peoples lives. This letter is not about us; it is for the truth to come out about what happened to Natalee Holloway, and to clear a wonderful family's ruined reputation since they have been under attack and used as a scape goat to hide the real truth in other homes.

Everything that I am about to tell you has been told face to face to: The Aruba Police, State Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and many reporters from the newspaper, Aruba Today.

To make a long story short we were asked by Beth Twitty to go to Aruba back in December to find Natalee. We went at our own expense. Many things transpired and the bottom line is she did not want to hear what we found out. At that time we could not understand why, but after going back to Aruba a week ago and sharing the information that we had, we found out. We got validation on every name that we gave of the people that Natalee was last with. It was apparent that Beth did not want to hear what we had to say, because she has been lying from the very beginning about what happened to her daughter in order to hide her own dark secret in her home!

Natalee called her mother before she was due to leave the island saying that she was not going to be coming back home to Alabama. The story of Natalee missing her flight and Beth coming to Aruba is false. Natalee called Beth from her cell phone while Beth was already in route on a private plane telling her mother not to come to Aruba because Natalee would not be coming home. Natalee has tried to run away before, and she was being molested by her stepfather Jug Twitty and she was pregnant. She left everything behind, including her cell phone, so that she would not be found. Natalee's roommate packed her suitcase and it was at the airport waiting for her, thinking that she would change her mind but as we all know she did not.

Joran Van Der sloot was not the last person with Natalee. Beth has only been going after Joran and his family because she believe Joran was helping Natalee hide. He dropped her off at the fisherman's hut like he said, and afterwards she was befriended by a guy named Marlon. He crossed our path while we were in Aruba the first time and when we told Beth that we are able to ID the guy that was with Natalee after Joran dropped her off, she said, "I don't care who was with my daughter last!". We have that conversation tape recorded and it has been played to Karin Janssen, who was blown away by that comment. This made sense to Karin. She had a poster to show us which was only seen in Aruba that Beth put up when she first got there. It did not say "MISSING", it said "NATALEE", with a note from her for Natalee to call her. If your child was really missing wouldn't you make a poster saying "please anyone if you have seen this girl please call the police?" Reporters told us of a statement that Beth gave on the Aruba TV where Beth was saying, "Natalee please call me we can work out our problems." No one in America saw that.

There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her.

We gave the names of many people that Natalee hung out with and partied with during her last weeks alive , we also told them of a guy named scooby that if they would bring in would talk and all names were validated by everyone that we talked to. .We took the police right to the spot where her body was at the other end of the island and Dennis Jacobs was going to send a team out the following morning with dogs? No one killed her. She died of an over dose and we know the house that she was in when she died and also, that she was buried and reburied.(does a CBS 48 hour story sound a little similar?) There are many people who were with her and saw her on the island. No one has come forward because of the fear of the drug issue. It is so much easier to let Joran take the blame, since people saw her leave with him and the other boys.

We were told by the Police about a bar bill of $16,000 that was drunk by Beth and her friends as they stayed for free at the Holiday Inn because the hotel felt so bad for her missing daughter. DOES THAT SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR A MOTHER DISTRAUGHT LOOKING FOR HER DAUGHTER? The same story played out at the Windam Hotel as well, and this was confirmed by many other locals on the island that Beth and her friend's acting like they were on vacation.

In America it seems to be that about 9 out of 10 times when a child is missing or murdered, the first place the police looks at is the family. Since this took place in a foreign country, Aruba opened their hearts and spent so much time and money searching for a missing girl, who just ran away from a dark secret she had been hiding, and wanted to get away from. It is too bad that no one thought to check if there were any family problems in the Twitty household, because you just never know what goes on behind closed doors. We have so much more information, and our story was posted in the Bondia news paper on April 10Th. It was supposed to be in the Aruba Today in English the following day, but did not happen. Here is the link to that article.( http://www.arubacentral.com/newspaper/bondia/April/10/A-10-04-2006.pdf )

All of the above information that I stated is the absolute truth and can be proven. why eles would two people be able to travel to Aruba give names of people that they have never met? and then with all the information that was given to them all, Karin Janssen, Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers, and other Police officers and lead reporters on the case, why would Karin Janssen       ** Banned **



Joined: 17 Jul 2007
Posts: 599
Location: Alabama


Are they trying to say the ALE and everyone didn't investigate this...or to they forget to mention they were less than credible??
      

[Observer]

That was not new...hold on...

I know the accusations and these two nuts are new, but they were on live TV tonight and now Rudy Croes is making a big deal about it too.  It's all BS!

I noticed that Daniel mentions Rudy Croes several times and how respected he is. No doubt in my mind Rudy is behind all of this..He worried about something? Hmmm..Something is up!!

Thanks Buckeye!! Thats exactly who they are!!

[klaasend]

http://www.freedomofblog.com/forum29/751-1.html

Castillo and Young contacted Beth later on and told her all what they found out on the island, and Beth did not like that and she told them that she is no longer interested who were the last people with Natalee, she just wanted revenge on the island and the three suspects punished.

The ALE has all the recordings and statements made by Castillo and Young while they met the Twitty's,

"The following is an interesting email sent to Associated Press. It is self explanatory. Does it have validity? I don't know, but if we could hear that recording it would certainly be interesting."


To Whom This May Concern,
Quote:

I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway. My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young; we work together and are put in a category of being a "medium". We are able to communicate with people that have passed away, and we help bring comfort or messages to people still living with the help from our Indian spirit guides. We take what we do very serious because we are dealing with peoples lives. This letter is not about us; it is for the truth to come out about what happened to Natalee Holloway, and to clear a wonderful family's ruined reputation since they have been under attack and used as a scape goat to hide the real truth in other homes.

Everything that I am about to tell you has been told face to face to: The Aruba Police, State Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and many reporters from the newspaper, Aruba Today.

To make a long story short we were asked by Beth Twitty to go to Aruba back in December to find Natalee. We went at our own expense. Many things transpired and the bottom line is she did not want to hear what we found out. At that time we could not understand why, but after going back to Aruba a week ago and sharing the information that we had, we found out. We got validation on every name that we gave of the people that Natalee was last with. It was apparent that Beth did not want to hear what we had to say, because she has been lying from the very beginning about what happened to her daughter in order to hide her own dark secret in her home!

Natalee called her mother before she was due to leave the island saying that she was not going to be coming back home to Alabama. The story of Natalee missing her flight and Beth coming to Aruba is false. Natalee called Beth from her cell phone while Beth was already in route on a private plane telling her mother not to come to Aruba because Natalee would not be coming home. Natalee has tried to run away before, and she was being molested by her stepfather Jug Twitty and she was pregnant. She left everything behind, including her cell phone, so that she would not be found. Natalee's roommate packed her suitcase and it was at the airport waiting for her, thinking that she would change her mind but as we all know she did not.

Joran Van Der sloot was not the last person with Natalee. Beth has only been going after Joran and his family because she believe Joran was helping Natalee hide. He dropped her off at the fisherman's hut like he said, and afterwards she was befriended by a guy named Marlon. He crossed our path while we were in Aruba the first time and when we told Beth that we are able to ID the guy that was with Natalee after Joran dropped her off, she said, "I don't care who was with my daughter last!". We have that conversation tape recorded and it has been played to Karin Janssen, who was blown away by that comment. This made sense to Karin. She had a poster to show us which was only seen in Aruba that Beth put up when she first got there. It did not say "MISSING", it said "NATALEE", with a note from her for Natalee to call her. If your child was really missing wouldn't you make a poster saying "please anyone if you have seen this girl please call the police?" Reporters told us of a statement that Beth gave on the Aruba TV where Beth was saying, "Natalee please call me we can work out our problems." No one in America saw that.

There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her.

We gave the names of many people that Natalee hung out with and partied with during her last weeks alive , we also told them of a guy named scooby that if they would bring in would talk and all names were validated by everyone that we talked to. .We took the police right to the spot where her body was at the other end of the island and Dennis Jacobs was going to send a team out the following morning with dogs? No one killed her. She died of an over dose and we know the house that she was in when she died and also, that she was buried and reburied.(does a CBS 48 hour story sound a little similar?) There are many people who were with her and saw her on the island. No one has come forward because of the fear of the drug issue. It is so much easier to let Joran take the blame, since people saw her leave with him and the other boys.

We were told by the Police about a bar bill of $16,000 that was drunk by Beth and her friends as they stayed for free at the Holiday Inn because the hotel felt so bad for her missing daughter. DOES THAT SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR A MOTHER DISTRAUGHT LOOKING FOR HER DAUGHTER? The same story played out at the Windam Hotel as well, and this was confirmed by many other locals on the island that Beth and her friend's acting like they were on vacation.

In America it seems to be that about 9 out of 10 times when a child is missing or murdered, the first place the police looks at is the family. Since this took place in a foreign country, Aruba opened their hearts and spent so much time and money searching for a missing girl, who just ran away from a dark secret she had been hiding, and wanted to get away from. It is too bad that no one thought to check if there were any family problems in the Twitty household, because you just never know what goes on behind closed doors. We have so much more information, and our story was posted in the Bondia news paper on April 10Th. It was supposed to be in the Aruba Today in English the following day, but did not happen. Here is the link to that article.( http://www.arubacentral.com/newspaper/bondia/April/10/A-10-04-2006.pdf )

All of the above information that I stated is the absolute truth and can be proven. why eles would two people be able to travel to Aruba give names of people that they have never met? and then with all the information that was given to them all, Karin Janssen, Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers, and other Police officers and lead reporters on the case, why would Karin Janssen       ** Banned **



Joined: 17 Jul 2007
Posts: 599
Location: Alabama


Are they trying to say the ALE and everyone didn't investigate this...or to they forget to mention they were less than credible??
      

It was Castillo and Young that were on Telearuba tonight talking about it.

[Dayhiker]

That was not new...hold on...

I know the accusations and these two nuts are new, but they were on live TV tonight and now Rudy Croes is making a big deal about it too.  It's all BS!

Yup, trying to detract from the Oprah show. Blowing smoke up the Arubans' collective asses. Sticking pins in dolls, ringing chickens necks, and pointing up at UFOs. LOL, these friggers are desperate.