Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

Need to run to the store, be back in a bit 

can you get me a bottle of red on the way.....?
what a loser.  Joran.   GUILTY.

  

[Sam]

I have looked back for the post from yesterday as well as today and have not seen this listed. If it was I apologize.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Arubagetagrip has an article translated from Diario. It is about the show Joran was on. Actually there are 2 different articles. check it out.

[crazybabyborg]

   

Yeah, this has been such a cakewalk for Beth, not like Joran who has had to endure the pesky fact that he killed Natalee and people just will not let it go~!

[2NJSons_Mom]

I have looked back for the post from yesterday as well as today and have not seen this listed. If it was I apologize.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Arubagetagrip has an article translated from Diario. It is about the show Joran was on. Actually there are 2 different articles. check it out.

Thanks, Sam.  I hadn't seen it.

[Nut44x4]

Jos at BFN Posts:

Dutch expert in lip reading:

Right after Joran threw the glass he says (not in particular to anyone but just in general) "My apologies, but I am pissed off".

[crazybabyborg]

   

Yeah, this has been such a cakewalk for Beth, not like Joran who has had to endure the pesky fact that he killed Natalee and people just will not let it go~!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHaY6yVtqvQ

I'm going to quit adding things because it's hard for me to watch, but Taco's little comments about Joran's frustrations make me want to go postal. 

[klaasend]

Need to run to the store, be back in a bit 

can you get me a bottle of red on the way.....?
what a loser.  Joran.   GUILTY.

Hi FOM - good to see you!

[klaasend]

Posted by Victor (Lazlo) at Scrux:

Anita: Joran has ruined his own imago/conflict NOVA P&W

Joran ruined his imago with the wine incident

By Maaike Ruepert

AD- AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has destroyed the campaign of the family that he is such a well raised young man by throwing wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries.
This is what Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot said after the broadcasting of Pauw and Witteman Friday night about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The incident took place just seconds after the end of the show.

http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article1963641.ece



Conflict wine incident broadcasting.

(NOS) The producers of P&W were furious that NOVA had broad casted the wine incident, becasue they had promised to Joran that it would not be broad casted. Witteman said he felt it being a duty to protect his guests, and felt it not done that NOVA did broadcast the incident with as a result it was now on several US channels and Youtube.

Comment from NOVA producer, we felt this indicent and clip was newsworthy, therefor it would have been wrong of us had we not broad casted it, it also paints a picture of Joran's personality.

(non verbatim, I will see if the clip is online tomorrow)

[private eye]

Posted by Victor (Lazlo) at Scrux:

Anita: Joran has ruined his own imago/conflict NOVA P&W

Joran ruined his imago with the wine incident

By Maaike Ruepert

AD- AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has destroyed the campaign of the family that he is such a well raised young man by throwing wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries.
This is what Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot said after the broadcasting of Pauw and Witteman Friday night about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The incident took place just seconds after the end of the show.

http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article1963641.ece



Conflict wine incident broadcasting.

(NOS) The producers of P&W were furious that NOVA had broad casted the wine incident, becasue they had promised to Joran that it would not be broad casted. Witteman said he felt it being a duty to protect his guests, and felt it not done that NOVA did broadcast the incident with as a result it was now on several US channels and Youtube.

Comment from NOVA producer, we felt this indicent and clip was newsworthy, therefor it would have been wrong of us had we not broad casted it, it also paints a picture of Joran's personality.

(non verbatim, I will see if the clip is online tomorrow)

Annd let the word keep spreading like wildfire here and there and everywhere!!!!!!!!!!

[Tylergal]

And there are people and sites who claim that Beth did not love her daughter! That Natalee deserved this, that Beth is enjoying and profiting from this. Now they are even trying to tear the soul of Matt into shreds with their vicious and vile words that they utter and peck.

 To all of you such people, how dare you demonstrate what callous trash you really are for all of the world to see. Have you no shame? No sense of decency? No sense of even the basics of right or wrong? How dare you to have the audacity to show God and the world what uncivilized, uncouth bastards you really are. How dare you to even claim to be worthy of being labeled human beings. I aboslutely abhor your behavior and I thank the Lord everyday that I don't have to be you because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

It sucks to be you, we know it and you know it. You are lower than the snakes who were forced to crawl upon their bellies while on this earth. I prey to God for forgiveness because I cannot even pity you. I wouldn't even waste my spit on you.

 Hopefully I will have a 100 more years to live on this earth because I know God wants me to forgive you for your wrong acts, and I know it will take at least that long for me to find the grace to be able to forgive you.

good post PI.
I used to get so infuriated with them and just rant and rave!!! Absolutely disgusting what they post. Unfortunately it goes in one ear and out the other with them. I gave up when I saw that they sometimes post the same vile things about each other TO each other on the site and still keep coming back for more. Now to me...that is insanity...if someone here told me to F-off...I gotta say I would probably F-off!!! lol Not the refugees...they just keep coming back. At least we have them all in one place now so we can keep an eye on 'em...lol

There are people who are paid to demonstrate at various affairs, in case you have never noticed.  They demonstrate on behalf of Cindy Shehan, on behalf of the environmental movement, on behalf of the issue du jour, against the war, against the administration, against business, etc.  There are also posters who do that, so regardless of what anyone says, they will always be the devil's advocates.  Of course, there are some of them who are there who are pro Joran, or better yet, pro Aruba.  But, for the most part, they are just "anti" protestors just like the people who are flown or bussed from one place to the next to protest against whatever the MSM does not agree with.  They are paid well to make the world believe there is really a big movement.  Of course, some of them are "the real deal" (or real kooks) but please don't be fooled.  These are people who have no conscience and who work for money to be against anything they are paid to be against.  What are people called who are paid for their services?  Yes, I thought you would get it.

In fact, I just read a story about a woman in California who is losing all her teeth because she has always done this for a livelihood because she believed in the cause.  She was someone who had come from a privileged background, whose father was a neurosurgeon, her siblings all professionals, but she followed these kooky movements around until the baby boomer has nothing, no place to live, no medical insurance, and has not paid in enough social security to draw a decent wage.  Being for something (as we are here) is a good thing but using these "anti" causes as a means to get ahead have no good end, so beware that these who are paid to do these "anti" movements, are socialists who are paid to make trouble for those who do the heavy lifting. 

[private eye]

I have got to start using spell check:))))))))))))) I am a horrible typist and not all that great of a speller, and that should be enough to remind me to click that little button:)))))))))

[Tylergal]

A PICTURE IS WORTH A 1,000 WORDS - TOURISTS HIDE FROM THE BEACHES

How are these places staying afloat?  No tourists? No money?  Or is it no tourists, can't launder that dirty money?

Laundromat and pharmacy.  And probably some other little arts that are not mentionable here.

[Tylergal]

I have got to start using spell check:))))))))))))) I am a horrible typist and not all that great of a speller, and that should be enough to remind me to click that little button:)))))))))

Your spelling and typing are fine and you do a great job.  It is your message and its delivery, not your spelling skills that are moving.

[Tamikosmom]

   

Yeah, this has been such a cakewalk for Beth, not like Joran who has had to endure the pesky fact that he killed Natalee and people just will not let it go~!

Thank you cbb.

Jug Twitty needs to be acknowledged and given credit.  Natalee' stepfather and her mother were one ... in words and actions ... at a time when the "powers that be" in the so-called investigation were establishing a coverup to protect Joran and Paulus.  It was a team effort that dictated the media attention that would not allow the disappearance an 18 year old American citizen on Aruban soil to become yesterday's headlines.

Throughout the entire book LOVING NATALEE ... Beth credits that support afforded by a loving stepfather and husband named ... Jug Twitty.

Janet

++++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 227 - Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can.

[private eye]

This was a post from RU- Am I reading out of context or does it say there was a fight and just because Natalee was smaller doesn't mean it wasn't a fair fight? This is an unusual point of view.


I deleted the parties for privacy purposes
   Original Post

I guess Natalee never stood a chance. If Joran is a preety big lad then why did he not do the right thing. Pick Natalee up and made sure she got to the hotel or tell securtiy I left a guest at your hotel on the beach. Nope Joran is not a gentleman add drinking and a temper it could make for a bad situtation!

  Reply Quote


My father is bigger and taller than Joran, used to drink heavily, and had a violent temper with me when I was in high school, and I may not have been as short as Natalee... but I was skinnier. There were times I was dumb and rebelling and drunk or messed up during the fight. I never ended up dead. I fought back, as she would if her life was in danger. She stood a chance, and she had a chance. It has nothing to do with Joran's size or his decision to throw some wine in a loser's face. 

[dennisintn]

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After standing up to the brutish interrogations of the Aruban police and prosecutors, with Mommy and Daddy by his side. DeVries must be a very forceful personality:)))
[/quote]

PI, ya just touched on a comment I meant to make the other day and will probably be a FP post tomorrow. If anyone thinks that Joran was interrogated in any manner that resembled something out of "Law & Order" with Jerry Orbach giving the Sporter the third degree, then Aruba just froze over.

Joran Van der Sloot could not control his temper if Larry King interviewed him. That would be a reference to the soft ball questions that Larry is known and loved for.

There is no way on earth that JVDS could have kept his composure or not cracked if interrogated in any forceful and purposeful manner. NONE! NADA! NIL!
[/quote]
and how about that "solitary confinement" and incommunicado status they have on aruba.  jvds' cell window overlooked the women's exercise yard so he talked to them all day and got all the information and news from papers, radio, tv that everyone else on the happy island got. 
dennisintn

[crazybabyborg]

Need to run to the store, be back in a bit 

can you get me a bottle of red on the way.....?
what a loser.  Joran.   GUILTY.

Hi FOM - good to see you!

OMG!  I LOVE IT!!!! Get her in the Butt, Cupid! 

[dennisintn]

This was a post from RU- Am I reading out of context or does it say there was a fight and just because Natalee was smaller doesn't mean it wasn't a fair fight? This is an unusual point of view.


I deleted the parties for privacy purposes
   Original Post

I guess Natalee never stood a chance. If Joran is a preety big lad then why did he not do the right thing. Pick Natalee up and made sure she got to the hotel or tell securtiy I left a guest at your hotel on the beach. Nope Joran is not a gentleman add drinking and a temper it could make for a bad situtation!

  Reply Quote


My father is bigger and taller than Joran, used to drink heavily, and had a violent temper with me when I was in high school, and I may not have been as short as Natalee... but I was skinnier. There were times I was dumb and rebelling and drunk or messed up during the fight. I never ended up dead. I fought back, as she would if her life was in danger. She stood a chance, and she had a chance. It has nothing to do with Joran's size or his decision to throw some wine in a loser's face. 

consider the source, p.e.  if he had burned down a school full of students, they'd say he was just hungry for bbq and beth's boycott had cut off the supplies.
dennisintn

[JusticeforNatalee]

"...because they had promised to Joran that it would not be broadcasted. Witteman said he felt it being a duty to protect his guests..."

What an outrageous view from Witteman! Protect Joran? Give me a break.
Joran is the ATTACKER. He should have been immediately apprehended by security for attacking another guest, Peter de Vries.

Thank goodness NOVA broadcast the incident. The world needs to see just how easily
Joran gets angry and that his reaction is nasty and physical.

[dennisintn]

And there are people and sites who claim that Beth did not love her daughter! That Natalee deserved this, that Beth is enjoying and profiting from this. Now they are even trying to tear the soul of Matt into shreds with their vicious and vile words that they utter and peck.

 To all of you such people, how dare you demonstrate what callous trash you really are for all of the world to see. Have you no shame? No sense of decency? No sense of even the basics of right or wrong? How dare you to have the audacity to show God and the world what uncivilized, uncouth bastards you really are. How dare you to even claim to be worthy of being labeled human beings. I aboslutely abhor your behavior and I thank the Lord everyday that I don't have to be you because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

It sucks to be you, we know it and you know it. You are lower than the snakes who were forced to crawl upon their bellies while on this earth. I prey to God for forgiveness because I cannot even pity you. I wouldn't even waste my spit on you.

 Hopefully I will have a 100 more years to live on this earth because I know God wants me to forgive you for your wrong acts, and I know it will take at least that long for me to find the grace to be able to forgive you.

good post PI.
I used to get so infuriated with them and just rant and rave!!! Absolutely disgusting what they post. Unfortunately it goes in one ear and out the other with them. I gave up when I saw that they sometimes post the same vile things about each other TO each other on the site and still keep coming back for more. Now to me...that is insanity...if someone here told me to F-off...I gotta say I would probably F-off!!! lol Not the refugees...they just keep coming back. At least we have them all in one place now so we can keep an eye on 'em...lol

There are people who are paid to demonstrate at various affairs, in case you have never noticed.  They demonstrate on behalf of Cindy Shehan, on behalf of the environmental movement, on behalf of the issue du jour, against the war, against the administration, against business, etc.  There are also posters who do that, so regardless of what anyone says, they will always be the devil's advocates.  Of course, there are some of them who are there who are pro Joran, or better yet, pro Aruba.  But, for the most part, they are just "anti" protestors just like the people who are flown or bussed from one place to the next to protest against whatever the MSM does not agree with.  They are paid well to make the world believe there is really a big movement.  Of course, some of them are "the real deal" (or real kooks) but please don't be fooled.  These are people who have no conscience and who work for money to be against anything they are paid to be against.  What are people called who are paid for their services?  Yes, I thought you would get it.

In fact, I just read a story about a woman in California who is losing all her teeth because she has always done this for a livelihood because she believed in the cause.  She was someone who had come from a privileged background, whose father was a neurosurgeon, her siblings all professionals, but she followed these kooky movements around until the baby boomer has nothing, no place to live, no medical insurance, and has not paid in enough social security to draw a decent wage.  Being for something (as we are here) is a good thing but using these "anti" causes as a means to get ahead have no good end, so beware that these who are paid to do these "anti" movements, are socialists who are paid to make trouble for those who do the heavy lifting. 

imo, these are the same people who send marriage proposals and professions of love to convicted serial killers and people like scott peterson.  even bad attention is better than no attention at all.
dennisintn