Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16 - 1/20/08

[robots]

"we just want it to go away"
ARUBA



"I just want you to SHUT THE _ _ _ _  UP"

ROBOTS

ROBOTS I like you and your message:)))))))))

my middle name is trouble

 

[private eye]

"we just want it to go away"
ARUBA



"I just want you to SHUT THE _ _ _ _  UP"

ROBOTS

ROBOTS I like you and your message:)))))))))

my middle name is trouble

 

Hey we must be related, that's my middle name and favorite thing to do:) We need to visit Aruba and see what they've got!!!!!!!!!!! I'm betting they got a lot of talk and a lot of punks!!!!!!

[Observer]

The crab angle of the boat on the last line we ran was 47 degrees for a while just to maintain constant heading.  We're being pushed sideways! I'll post a picture shortly of a screen shot of the navigation screen.  I think it's interesting.  On most any other job, we would be waiting on weather.  We don't have that luxury here.  We'll push through it until it becomes a safety issue.  We'll find her. 

On another note... just found another wreck.  From two sonar lines it appears to be an approx. 50ft schooner in about 900ft of water.   

Thanks for the update!!

[Observer]

Quote *******:  Email sent out on June 9th 2005 by Edmond Croes of top Radio 95 and told to distribute to every website so Arubans can fight back. Also the same day JK2 were arrested.
(Papi Translation)

06-09-2005 12:56 pm
hello arubianonan, you can follow the self desaroyo, but tra precupami the criticanan of certain American upstairs aruba. I am suggested among follow you for another www.misfitting.com, read the commentsnan try and form good at defence for aruba. We trahando is hard at aruba for fight back, all will criticizes cu can perhudica aruba. You aid is necessary. If you have another website where have forums, please inform. Upstairs www.misfitting.com they lastra aruba! Y is we have to take accion y we defends self against atakenan infunda. Cualkier informacion, tips, the.d. In my mail: top@setarnet.aw please fordward this for all aruban in you list. Bye.

Edmond croes top radio 95 fm mail: top@setarnet.aw or edmondcroes@hotmail.com one acusacion false and infunda of cnn: aruba is one country of prostitucion and drugs. Aruba is exports prostitute for the netherlands and Europe. Well at the netherlands we have bad name finish om come across, or do you bisanan cu are you one aruban they stay look at the meno wtf you, the person of europe person is very self pendew om aworaki they hariendu we of about owing to happen cu nathalee aino hand already but life goes on: aruba:
http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/"




Not only am I extremely disgusted with this latest stunt, I am amazed that on June 9th, 10 days of Natalee going missing, this guy is calling for everyone to defend Aruba!!  WTF? He has got to be Renfro's best friend.  UNBELIEVABLE!! 

The things these people are saying should be passed out at the travel shows, there would be absolutely no explanation needed.  Most people can see the ugliness and horror of a place that goes this far to slander  victims so they won't lose money on tourism.  SO  EVIL!!

I think he is related to Rudy..Maybe his nephew? And yes the timing is unreal,just a few hours after JK2 were first arrested..This is interesting also 
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Aruban Judge Frees Two Holloway Suspects

Tuesday, July 05, 2005

A lone protester walked back and forth in front of the courthouse with a sign reading "Let them go. They are innocent. This is a setup."

She identified herself as Myriam Croes, but would not comment further.
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/721226/5/50

[robots]

"we just want it to go away"
ARUBA



"I just want you to SHUT THE _ _ _ _  UP"

ROBOTS

ROBOTS I like you and your message:)))))))))

my middle name is trouble

 

Hey we must be related, that's my middle name and favorite thing to do:) We need to visit Aruba and see what they've got!!!!!!!!!!! I'm betting they got a lot of talk and a lot of punks!!!!!!

sounds like a plan 

[klaasend]

Competition Among Caribbean Islands Has Never Been So Aggressive


January 16th 2008, Aruba.

 
Rob Smith, Director of AHATA

ORANJESTAD-The new Director of Aruba Hotel And Tourism Association
(AHATA), Rob Smith wants to create a tourism fund in the short run. The
fund should count on the participation of both the hotel sector and the
public sector.

Smith calls it a "super marketing fund". All the money deposited in the
fund will be spent on marketing Aruba abroad. Smith says that the hotels
member to AHATA are willing to raise the tourism tax by 1 percent to
help finance the fund.

The raise of 1 percent in tourism tax could lead to a slight increase in
room-rates at hotels that participate in the fund.

The government of Aruba allocates close to 10 million dollars annually to
promote the island abroad through Aruba Tourism Authority. AHATA is
an independent tourism organization in which its members (majority of
the hotels) pay a membership fee. That money is used to market the
member hotels and the island abroad.

With the prospect of an additional fund more money will be allocated for
marketing the island abroad. The need of more marketing money is
essential for the well being of the tourism industry in Aruba, as the island
is facing increase fierce competition from other islands in the region.
Aruba is viewed as very strong competitor in the region.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=53670

[klaasend]

Accommodations Much Expensive In The Last Quarter Of 2007



January 18th 2008, Aruba.

 
Accomodations in Aruba are increasingly becoming luxurious, and that
does not come without an increase in rates.

ORANJESTAD-The average daily room rate rose sharply in the last
quarter of 2007. The completion of renovations and upgrades of many
hotel rooms, the high demand for Aruba in the last quarter of 2007, and
increase operational costs have triggered the substantial increase in room
rates.

An average daily room rate of US$149,10 was registered in October
2007, a 17.2 percent increase compared to October 2006. The average
daily room rate in November was of US$169,35, a 19 percent increase
compared to November 2006. An average daily room rate of $256,96
was noted in December 2007, that is a 16.3 percent increase compared to
December 2006.

The annual average daily room rate for 2007 was lower than that of 2006,
despite the sharp rise in average daily room rates in the last three
months of 2007. This is attributed to a decline in average daily room rates
in the first five months of last year. The average daily room rate for the
year 2007 stood at US$204,61, a decline of 4.2 percent compared to 2006.

January, February, March and April tend to have the highest daily
average room rate of the year. December 2007 was the month with
highest daily average room rate US$256,96. September had the lowest
average daily room rate during 2007, US$136,17. September is
traditionally a slow month for tourism in Aruba, mainly attributed to the
peak in the Atlantic hurricane season, and thus less demand to travel to
the Caribbean region.

The revenue per available room rose to US$62,24 in October 2007, a 9.2
percent increase compared to October 2006. The revenue per available
room was of US$82,51 in November 2007, an increase of 23.3 percent
compared to November 2006. The last month of 2007 registered a
revenue per available room of US$121,20, an increase of 24 percent
compared to December 2006.

The revenue per available room for the year 2007 was of US$99,30, a
decline of 5.9 percent compared to 2006. The annual decline is attributed
to the decrease in revenue per available room in the first five months of
2007. The total room revenue was of US$210 million in 2007, a 2.4
increase compared to 2006.


The hotel average occupancy rate stood at 79.6 percent for 2007, that is
a decline of 2.4 percentage points compared to the hotel average
occupancy rate of 2006. May is the month with the lowest hotel average
occupancy rate, 67.8 percent. February 2007 had the highest hotel
average occupancy rate of the year, 85.2 percent.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=53772

[Observer]

When we were at the Boston Travel Show last year the other Carribean destinations had huge grins on there faces when talking about Aruba with us. They were not shy at all when discussing Aruba

[Tylergal]

A few pics of Sander Gottenbos from July 2007 on team Aruba. He is listed as playing for a team in Eindhoven Holland for the 2007-2008 season.

http://www.dac-image.com/displayimage.php?album=20&pos=19

Is that Koen in the background with the white hat?

Koen has that look on his face, a la Joran, that he has smelled his breath and it's day old fish and beer.

[downloadingdaddy]

From the persistence, this teared me up. It is beautiful. Thank you Persistence crew, you are fantastic!


Friday, January 18, 2008
XIII. Stay the Course

SPECIAL UPDATE: Fri 18-Jan 2335 hrs

We would like to specifically address one comment left on the blog which likely represents the sentiments of many.
“You guys have been out there for quite a long time now... I was really hoping for results by now. I can't help but begin to think she won't be found” -Overwhelming_Sadness

Quoting John Silvetti- Fri 18-Jan 2300 hrs
“It is easy to lose heart if one confuses expectations with hopes and desires. The nature of a marine search, especially one in which the method and disposition of the item you are searching for is unknown, requires a painstakingly slow and methodical disqualification process. The logic is no different than trying to find your car keys. The methodology is: you look where you were recently. We look where it is believed to be, based on evidence or reports. When you and I do not locate what we are looking for in the most logical place, we move on to the next logical place. Ultimately, we both confirm the old saying, “It is always in the last place you look”.
Unknown topography and terrain, combined with large seas have slowed us down but it has not stopped us. We have surveyed and investigated a large area, disqualified most of it, and moved on to an even larger area. At times our progress has been exceedingly fast and slow at other times. We do however, “STAY THE COURSE”....PERSISTENCE.

Our hopes and desires also were to find Natalee before Christmas so we could help bring closure to the Holloway family as our gift to them. Then, we could return home to our families to enjoy the holiday season and hug our children a little tighter... but, it was not meant to be that easy...and we understand.
–John Silvetti.”

[Frijole]

Wow.
Gulp.

Thank you Persistence crew for all that you are.  Be safe and God Bless.

Frijole

[yapperz1]

Competition Among Caribbean Islands Has Never Been So Aggressive


January 16th 2008, Aruba.

 
Rob Smith, Director of AHATA

ORANJESTAD-The new Director of Aruba Hotel And Tourism Association
(AHATA), Rob Smith wants to create a tourism fund in the short run. The
fund should count on the participation of both the hotel sector and the
public sector.

Smith calls it a "super marketing fund". All the money deposited in the
fund will be spent on marketing Aruba abroad. Smith says that the hotels
member to AHATA are willing to raise the tourism tax by 1 percent to
help finance the fund.

The raise of 1 percent in tourism tax could lead to a slight increase in
room-rates at hotels that participate in the fund.

The government of Aruba allocates close to 10 million dollars annually to
promote the island abroad through Aruba Tourism Authority. AHATA is
an independent tourism organization in which its members (majority of
the hotels) pay a membership fee. That money is used to market the
member hotels and the island abroad.

With the prospect of an additional fund more money will be allocated for
marketing the island abroad. The need of more marketing money is
essential for the well being of the tourism industry in Aruba, as the island
is facing increase fierce competition from other islands in the region.
Aruba is viewed as very strong competitor in the region.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=53670

Hiya Monkeys

So is this is the 10 million they claim they spent on the Natalee case? We all know it was AHATA behind the slander Natalee & Family BS. MOO

[private eye]

Persistence Captain, Crew, and Owner+ Tim and Co.

I may be wrong but what helps heal Natalee's family and friends hearts is that all of you care enough to spend your time, effort, and money searching for Natalee's remains. I doubt they have unrealistic expectations as they realize there is a vast amount of area where she could have been laid to rest, and they understand that despite having the most modern equipment and the best crew available, that you all do not have super human powers, even though all of you seem to be larger than life and as good as saints.

Finding her would be the climax to a wonderful search mission that you are conducting, but regardless, your efforts alone will have eliminated a previously unsearched, unsearchable area, several possible popular theories, and provided much needed healing to their hearts and nurturing to their souls, for which they will be forever grateful. I am sure they salute you and want you to keep the safety of the crew first and formost on your minds.

Whether you find her or not, your efforts will not have been in vain. You are what all little boys and girls want to be when they grow up, heroes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Observer]

Did Guido move to Canada after NH dissapeared? I either forgot or this is wrong info.
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The arrested boy is hot Guido Wever, he has been detained and interrogated in the Netherlands. He is Aruba moved to Canada 14 days after Natalee disappeared. He was a croupier at the Holliday Inn and Casino has previously interrogated by the Aruban police. According to his lawyer Spong, the boy suspected of "complicity in murder, grievous bodily injury and deprivation of liberty of Natalee Holloway.

      The boy lived in Aruba and went to the Mon Plaisir School. The boy is also seen in the company of Natalee. He came to school with a lot of scratches on his body. The boy was almost done with school and would continue studying in the Netherlands. He asked his parents if he was allowed to Canada earlier. He was on two weeks after finished school when he heard of his possible arrest and then fled to the Netherlands.

      The boy, according to witness testimony on May 30, 2005 have been at school with scratches and injuries on his face. He would also be part of the group who were arrested earlier.

      He was previously interrogated as a witness, 3x by the Aruban police and twice by the Dutch police.

      Gerard Spong, the boy's lawyer, told the NOS news that the suspect is a friend of Joran van der Sloot - those are certain that he Natalee was last seen. Van der Sloot says he left Holloway alone on the beach after her gezoend to have.

      (Source: Awemainta & arubadirtypolice)
---------------------------------------------------
The Algemeen Dagblad will publish this morning:

      Quote:
      The Utrecht police last week a former croupier arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murder of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. Gerard Spong, lawyer of the suspect, a span today interim measures to prevent extradition to Aruba.

      The suspect, Guido W., is a Dutchman who lived in Aruba at the time of the loss of Holloway. W. Is a tennismaatje of Joran van der Sloot and worked three months as a trainee croupier at the casino in the hotel where Holloway stayed. On May 30, when Holloway was missing only a few hours, was W. Also work. "He looked strange,''recalls a member of the Aruban casino itself.,, He came within worrisome.''

      W. Worked a few days in the casino, but was previously on a dangepland. He departed in June to Canada to study. After Holloway's disappearance is W. Several times in Aruba and the Netherlands, heard as a witness.

      Holloway came during her vacation on Aruba often in the casino. Even on the last evening that she was seen alive, she was there. They with when Van der Sloot, who still is suspected of involvement in Holloway's disappearance. But he is due to a lack of evidence on free feet. The arrest of Guido W. Took place at the request of the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) in Aruba. The suspect is stuck in Utrecht.
---------------------------
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/837319/6/50 (translated)

[klaasend]

******* - I don't remember anything about Canada but I suppose it's possible.

[Tylergal]

From the persistence, this teared me up. It is beautiful. Thank you Persistence crew, you are fantastic!


Friday, January 18, 2008
XIII. Stay the Course

SPECIAL UPDATE: Fri 18-Jan 2335 hrs

We would like to specifically address one comment left on the blog which likely represents the sentiments of many.
“You guys have been out there for quite a long time now... I was really hoping for results by now. I can't help but begin to think she won't be found” -Overwhelming_Sadness

Quoting John Silvetti- Fri 18-Jan 2300 hrs
“It is easy to lose heart if one confuses expectations with hopes and desires. The nature of a marine search, especially one in which the method and disposition of the item you are searching for is unknown, requires a painstakingly slow and methodical disqualification process. The logic is no different than trying to find your car keys. The methodology is: you look where you were recently. We look where it is believed to be, based on evidence or reports. When you and I do not locate what we are looking for in the most logical place, we move on to the next logical place. Ultimately, we both confirm the old saying, “It is always in the last place you look”.
Unknown topography and terrain, combined with large seas have slowed us down but it has not stopped us. We have surveyed and investigated a large area, disqualified most of it, and moved on to an even larger area. At times our progress has been exceedingly fast and slow at other times. We do however, “STAY THE COURSE”....PERSISTENCE.

Our hopes and desires also were to find Natalee before Christmas so we could help bring closure to the Holloway family as our gift to them. Then, we could return home to our families to enjoy the holiday season and hug our children a little tighter... but, it was not meant to be that easy...and we understand.
–John Silvetti.”

This certainly makes one see the superhuman hearts of these residents of the Persistence. Yes, it has become their residence.  Their home.  This is such an effort beyond the expectations of anything I have been acquainted with as far as just pure generosity and goodness of heart.

[crazybabyborg]

I feel such a sense of expectancy about the Persistence's mission, and more hope than ever before. Monkeys, please remember the crew in your prayers! I honestly feel that we are united in expectant faith and that God is in the middle of this all.

To the search crew: Thank you for positioning yourself in the most powerful place on Earth; within God's Will!

[Observer]

******* - I don't remember anything about Canada but I suppose it's possible.

Thx..I don't remember that at all either..These reports are supposed to be from a Dutch and Aruban Newspaper when he was arrested in 2006..I see it also says he went to school with scratches and injuries to his face. I guess that makes sense because 5 people at the Excelsior said the same thing

[Anna]

O/T

851 PM CST FRI JAN 18 2008
...HEAVY SNOW WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 8 PM CST SATURDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BIRMINGHAM HAS ISSUED A HEAVY
SNOW WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 8 PM CST SATURDAY.
THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
HEAVY SNOWFALL IS EXPECTED ACROSS THESE AREAS...WITH SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES LIKELY.
A HEAVY SNOW WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THIS MEANS SNOW AMOUNTS GREATER THAN 2
INCHES ARE FORECAST IN A 12 HOUR PERIOD. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL
DANGEROUS. ONLY TRAVEL IN AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU MUST...KEEP AN
EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN
EMERGENCY.


 

[klaasend]

Anna - is this unusual for the Birmingham area?  Please stay safe and inside!