Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16 - 1/20/08

[Lala'sMom]

And we can add the rapist -  Minister of Labor & Culture Ramon Lee

Recordando nos Libertador Betico Croes
Todays article at 24ora.com  Same people that are in the above picture?(Briesen not shown in this pic)

Now, let me get this straight....the men in the first photo at the party are Ramon Lee, Betico Croes and Briesen.  Do I have that correct?

Also for Kermit:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: GSM Orwellian
What is wrong? The brothers had to be separated. The Babylonians have layed it thick and
hard, but couldn't get what they asked for.

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help. The
Babylonians knew he was a bifrons. He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.

People do not lose faith in the Babylonians.

Different meanings depending on whom you are using for translation. Babylonians are?  Casinos, gamblers, Dutch, Govt?  Bill is? Marrriot owner or banker?

[klaasend]

The Persistence blog was just updated.  We're bouncing around pretty good out here and progress is slow, but progress none the less.  Things will get very interesting soon, I promise.  Kindest regards to all. 

Thanks Kyle!

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

[ldstlou]

ldstlou

It should be remembered that most Americans do not have an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloways case.

These two loonies have been given credibility by the Aruban Minister of Justice who refers to them as "investigators".  If the mainstream American media picks up on these despicable accusations against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway and ... these accusations are not challenged ... the implications regarding perception ...

Janet

You may all be right. I trust your judgement on this one and from the front page posts, it definately hit a nerve with allot of people. As a daughter though, it just makes me ill to my stomach, but then again, everything Aruba has done for almost 3 years makes me ill to my stomach. As I said, I need to get a harder shell. I am not leaving this fight until Natalee is brought home!!! I will work on my shell!!

ldstlou ... you and I have often perceived the issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case from different angles but ... bottom line ... we both have the same objective ... we want justice for this precious young lady and ... we want a measure of closure for her special family.

Take care.

Janet

Hope you all didn't take my comments as criticism. My little guy is still at the age where he needs to be protected, so the Mom in me wants to shelter. Many of you are farther in your journey and know that our kids grow up strong and can take care of themselves and sometimes you just have to have faith and let them weather the storm out knowing there is a greater good. Have patience with me...this is a major learning experience for me in so many ways. But I believe it has and is making me a better person. Your legend lives on Natalee!!

[pdh3]

ldstlou

It should be remembered that most Americans do not have an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloways case.

These two loonies have been given credibility by the Aruban Minister of Justice who refers to them as "investigators".  If the mainstream American media picks up on these despicable accusations against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway and ... these accusations are not challenged ... the implications regarding perception ...

Janet

You may all be right. I trust your judgement on this one and from the front page posts, it definately hit a nerve with allot of people. As a daughter though, it just makes me ill to my stomach, but then again, everything Aruba has done for almost 3 years makes me ill to my stomach. As I said, I need to get a harder shell. I am not leaving this fight until Natalee is brought home!!! I will work on my shell!!

So many of the accusations against the family are hard to take. I still cannot understand the depth of hate for a family who has suffered the worst loss possible. It really is incomprehensible to most of us. I hope I never understand that kind of hate and the cold, brutal meaness these creatures have shown to a family in terrrible pain.
Maybe our defense of the family can help them feel better, and be a balm for some of the hurt. It has to help them to know that people are willing to come to their defense against these terrible false accusations. I do feel those things need to be publically refuted in a reputable place like SM, so that the truth can't be submerged in a pile of filth.

[Anna]

The Persistence blog was just updated.  We're bouncing around pretty good out here and progress is slow, but progress none the less.  Things will get very interesting soon, I promise.  Kindest regards to all. 

And I promise you that your updates and progress are always VERY interesting to us all.  We have developed tremendous patience over the course of this tragedy and so await your news in that frame of mind. 

Thank you for all you are doing and we will be right here when there is news to report and when there is none.  Our support for your efforts on the Persistence will never waver or wane.  Like you, we are in this for whatever it takes.

Anna

[Tamikosmom]

The Persistence blog was just updated.  We're bouncing around pretty good out here and progress is slow, but progress none the less.  Things will get very interesting soon, I promise.  Kindest regards to all. 

Hi oceanexporation.

What a testimony the crew of the Persistence is sharing with those who are involved in the Aruban coverup as well as ... those who are aware of the Aruban coverup!

AMERICA DOES NOT FORSAKE HER OWN!!!

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

God Bless.

Janet 

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-lows-part-ii-tourism-minister-edison-briesen-that-introduced-them-to-justice-minister-croes/

Aruba Sinks to New Lows, Part II … Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Justice Minister Croes


Jossy comments on Kelly and Castillo

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-lows-part-ii-tourism-minister-edison-briesen-that-introduced-them-to-justice-minister-croes/

Aruba Sinks to New Lows, Part II … Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Justice Minister Croes


Jossy comments on Kelly and Castillo

We asked Jossy Mansur what his opinion was of Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo and the credibility of their accusations. As usual, Jossy Mansur was not at a loss for words. He too completely questions their credibility.

Honestly, I cannot waste my time with the two “spiritists” that came to Aruba and held a press conference to make what seems to me to be accusations they did not substantiate with any kind of proof. I hope that, if what they brought forward is a fabrication, Jug will initiate legal proceedings against them. I think Beth should too. But, all in all, nothing of what they said has made us change our conviction that the three ex-suspects know perfectly well what happened to Natalee.

There was no one else involved that we know of, or that has come forward to make any claims. And neither the prosecution nor the investigative team have brought forward any leads to the contrary! In the absence of that, we hold on to our stand that Natalee did not die a natural death, and that the three ex-suspects who are known to be the last persons to be with her when she was still alive, know what happened to her.  However, there is always a very small possibility that she may still be alive, at least until something of her is found to eliminate that hope completely.

If she is still alive (and that is our highest hope) she must have been found or identified a long time ago. With so much media attention, accompanied by so much police investigations here and in the U.S., and so much public interest, how can she have escaped the intense scrutiny, wherever she may be?

[pdh3]

O/T

851 PM CST FRI JAN 18 2008
...HEAVY SNOW WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 8 PM CST SATURDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BIRMINGHAM HAS ISSUED A HEAVY
SNOW WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 8 PM CST SATURDAY.
THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
HEAVY SNOWFALL IS EXPECTED ACROSS THESE AREAS...WITH SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES LIKELY.
A HEAVY SNOW WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THIS MEANS SNOW AMOUNTS GREATER THAN 2
INCHES ARE FORECAST IN A 12 HOUR PERIOD. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL
DANGEROUS. ONLY TRAVEL IN AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU MUST...KEEP AN
EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN
EMERGENCY.


 

And in No. Alabama...we have NOTHING! 
If we get snow, I want it to be during the week so that I can miss work!

[ldstlou]

ldstlou

It should be remembered that most Americans do not have an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloways case.

These two loonies have been given credibility by the Aruban Minister of Justice who refers to them as "investigators".  If the mainstream American media picks up on these despicable accusations against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway and ... these accusations are not challenged ... the implications regarding perception ...

Janet

You may all be right. I trust your judgement on this one and from the front page posts, it definately hit a nerve with allot of people. As a daughter though, it just makes me ill to my stomach, but then again, everything Aruba has done for almost 3 years makes me ill to my stomach. As I said, I need to get a harder shell. I am not leaving this fight until Natalee is brought home!!! I will work on my shell!!

So many of the accusations against the family are hard to take. I still cannot understand the depth of hate for a family who has suffered the worst loss possible. It really is incomprehensible to most of us. I hope I never understand that kind of hate and the cold, brutal meaness these creatures have shown to a family in terrrible pain.
Maybe our defense of the family can help them feel better, and be a balm for some of the hurt. It has to help them to know that people are willing to come to their defense against these terrible false accusations. I do feel those things need to be publically refuted in a reputable place like SM, so that the truth can't be submerged in a pile of filth.

thanks for understanding my posts, and thanks for your words of wisdom. You are correct. If the ugliness has to come out...best to come out in a forum of care and support!!! It makes sense to me now.

[ldstlou]

The Persistence blog was just updated.  We're bouncing around pretty good out here and progress is slow, but progress none the less.  Things will get very interesting soon, I promise.  Kindest regards to all. 

Hi oceanexporation.

What a testimony the crew of the Persistence is sharing with those who are involved in the Aruban coverup as well as ... those who are aware of the Aruban coverup!

AMERICA DOES NOT FORSAKE HER OWN!!!

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

God Bless.

Janet 

Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!

[Tamikosmom]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-lows-part-ii-tourism-minister-edison-briesen-that-introduced-them-to-justice-minister-croes/

Aruba Sinks to New Lows, Part II … Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Justice Minister Croes


Jossy comments on Kelly and Castillo

We asked Jossy Mansur what his opinion was of Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo and the credibility of their accusations. As usual, Jossy Mansur was not at a loss for words. He too completely questions their credibility.

Honestly, I cannot waste my time with the two “spiritists” that came to Aruba and held a press conference to make what seems to me to be accusations they did not substantiate with any kind of proof. I hope that, if what they brought forward is a fabrication, Jug will initiate legal proceedings against them. I think Beth should too. But, all in all, nothing of what they said has made us change our conviction that the three ex-suspects know perfectly well what happened to Natalee.

There was no one else involved that we know of, or that has come forward to make any claims. And neither the prosecution nor the investigative team have brought forward any leads to the contrary! In the absence of that, we hold on to our stand that Natalee did not die a natural death, and that the three ex-suspects who are known to be the last persons to be with her when she was still alive, know what happened to her.  However, there is always a very small possibility that she may still be alive, at least until something of her is found to eliminate that hope completely.

If she is still alive (and that is our highest hope) she must have been found or identified a long time ago. With so much media attention, accompanied by so much police investigations here and in the U.S., and so much public interest, how can she have escaped the intense scrutiny, wherever she may be?

I agree.  I contend that a lawsuit initiated by Beth and/or Jug for defamation of character against these two loonies for the vile accusations that were spewed on the so-called press conference would cause other trolls to consider their lies regarding the family of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++++++


Natalee Holloway: What did really happen?
Wednesday, 16 January 2008

Today, Beth Holloway the mother of Natalee Holloway will appear in a special show on one of the most popular television shows in the United States, the Oprah Winfrey show. However, today in a shocking fashion local radiostations presented a press conference that revealed new and shocking information in the dissapearance of the Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway. According to the American couple Natalee Holloway has been abused by stepfather Jugg Twitty, this according to a close friend of Beth Holloway.
Below we present a seven part audio recording of the press conference held this morning in which they present surprising new information.

The Oprah Winfrey is today at 5pm on channel 14 on Cable TV.

We at Aruba-Zone.com want to thank local radiostation Top 95 FM for the audio of the press conference presented this morning.

Editor - Aruba-Zone.com
email: arubazone@gmail.com
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Link to audio recording of press conference:

http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

[Peaches]

I got your snow right here!  The street isn't covered but the yard is.  It's supposed to freeze hard tonite.  So I have four stinky dogs in their crates in the kitchen. 

I'm glad to hear from Kyle.  It's the worrier in me.  But I know when I sit still that the hand of God is steering their journey and it will all work for good in the end.

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... I am afraid this audio recording of the so-called press conference is going to go "poof".  Is it possible that it could be preserved in some way ... maybe Youtube.

Janet


Link to audio recording of press conference:
http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

[casa]

can someone give me th two links to Beth on Oprah?  I wanr to show #3 daughter and I can't find them.  Thanks!!

[klaasend]

Klaas ... I am afraid this audio recording of the so-called press conference is going to go "poof".  Is it possible that it could be preserved in some way ... maybe Youtube.

Janet


Link to audio recording of press conference:
http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

I've already downloaded it.  Plus the entire press conference is on YouTube as well.  But I did download the audio from the link above yesterday. 

[ldstlou]

o/t for a moment. I am going to my 1st "adult" party...nothing kinky...lol...I mean 1st party that does not involve a 7 year old and a birthday cake in over a year and a half!!! My girlfriend talked me into it and now she is a no-show. But I am all dressed up in my new outfit and my little man is staying with my brother so hi-ho- hi-ho...it's off to the party I go (by myself) Wish me luck!!! feeling brave tonight!!! lol
And Sunnyintx laughed at me!!! SEE!!! I did it Sunny!!!

[klaasend]

can someone give me th two links to Beth on Oprah?  I wanr to show #3 daughter and I can't find them.  Thanks!!

OPRAH - PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQykmHv6TQ&feature=user

OPRAH - PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FG0CmHnxA&feature=user

[klaasend]

o/t for a moment. I am going to my 1st "adult" party...nothing kinky...lol...I mean 1st party that does not involve a 7 year old and a birthday cake in over a year and a half!!! My girlfriend talked me into it and now she is a no-show. But I am all dressed up in my new outfit and my little man is staying with my brother so hi-ho- hi-ho...it's off to the party I go (by myself) Wish me luck!!! feeling brave tonight!!! lol
And Sunnyintx laughed at me!!! SEE!!! I did it Sunny!!!

Have a wonderful time!

[Tylergal]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-lows-part-ii-tourism-minister-edison-briesen-that-introduced-them-to-justice-minister-croes/

Aruba Sinks to New Lows, Part II … Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Justice Minister Croes


Jossy comments on Kelly and Castillo

We asked Jossy Mansur what his opinion was of Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo and the credibility of their accusations. As usual, Jossy Mansur was not at a loss for words. He too completely questions their credibility.

Honestly, I cannot waste my time with the two “spiritists” that came to Aruba and held a press conference to make what seems to me to be accusations they did not substantiate with any kind of proof. I hope that, if what they brought forward is a fabrication, Jug will initiate legal proceedings against them. I think Beth should too. But, all in all, nothing of what they said has made us change our conviction that the three ex-suspects know perfectly well what happened to Natalee.

There was no one else involved that we know of, or that has come forward to make any claims. And neither the prosecution nor the investigative team have brought forward any leads to the contrary! In the absence of that, we hold on to our stand that Natalee did not die a natural death, and that the three ex-suspects who are known to be the last persons to be with her when she was still alive, know what happened to her.  However, there is always a very small possibility that she may still be alive, at least until something of her is found to eliminate that hope completely.

If she is still alive (and that is our highest hope) she must have been found or identified a long time ago. With so much media attention, accompanied by so much police investigations here and in the U.S., and so much public interest, how can she have escaped the intense scrutiny, wherever she may be?

I agree.  I contend that a lawsuit initiated by Beth and/or Jug for defamation of character against these two loonies for the vile accusations that were spewed on the so-called press conference would cause other trolls to consider their lies regarding the family of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++++++


Natalee Holloway: What did really happen?
Wednesday, 16 January 2008

Today, Beth Holloway the mother of Natalee Holloway will appear in a special show on one of the most popular television shows in the United States, the Oprah Winfrey show. However, today in a shocking fashion local radiostations presented a press conference that revealed new and shocking information in the dissapearance of the Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway. According to the American couple Natalee Holloway has been abused by stepfather Jugg Twitty, this according to a close friend of Beth Holloway.
Below we present a seven part audio recording of the press conference held this morning in which they present surprising new information.

The Oprah Winfrey is today at 5pm on channel 14 on Cable TV.

We at Aruba-Zone.com want to thank local radiostation Top 95 FM for the audio of the press conference presented this morning.

Editor - Aruba-Zone.com
email: arubazone@gmail.com
his e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it.


Link to audio recording of press conference:

http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

My guess would be that Beth & Jug will lay low on litigation until the end is the end.  I think there is still some faith in Mohs and because Beth wants to trust Mohs, I hope she has not misplaced her loyalty.  I would like to see such a suit and one that I am sure, given the right venue, would be positive for the Twitty-Holloway family, Natalee's Revenge.