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« Reply #700 on: January 19, 2008, 07:34:47 PM »



Thanks a bunch Klaas!
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« Reply #701 on: January 19, 2008, 07:35:23 PM »


Now, let me get this straight....the men in the first photo at the party are Ramon Lee, Betico Croes and Briesen.  Do I have that correct?
Betico Croes is not in that Picture..I'M not sure if that is Ramon Lee or if that is the other guy in the 2nd picture(I think the other guy). The person on the far right is the Governor of Aruba.
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« Reply #702 on: January 19, 2008, 07:35:33 PM »

can someone give me th two links to Beth on Oprah?  I wanr to show #3 daughter and I can't find them.  Thanks!!

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BETH ON OPRAH WINFREY

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQykmHv6TQ

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FG0CmHnxA&feature=user

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« Reply #703 on: January 19, 2008, 07:36:12 PM »

It says it is no longer available.
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« Reply #704 on: January 19, 2008, 07:37:44 PM »

Klaas ... I am afraid this audio recording of the so-called press conference is going to go "poof".  Is it possible that it could be preserved in some way ... maybe Youtube.

Janet


Link to audio recording of press conference:
http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

I've already downloaded it.  Plus the entire press conference is on YouTube as well.  But I did download the audio from the link above yesterday.  Wink

Thank you Klaas.

Could you please provide me with YouTube link.

Thank you

Janet
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« Reply #705 on: January 19, 2008, 07:39:11 PM »

It says it is no longer available.

Copywrite infringement.  Darn!
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« Reply #706 on: January 19, 2008, 07:39:52 PM »

It says it is no longer available.

Looks like Harpo Productions has a copyright protection in place:

http://www.eipgrouplaw.com/
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« Reply #707 on: January 19, 2008, 07:40:45 PM »

I got your snow right here!  The street isn't covered but the yard is.  It's supposed to freeze hard tonite.  So I have four stinky dogs in their crates in the kitchen. 

I'm glad to hear from Kyle.  It's the worrier in me.  But I know when I sit still that the hand of God is steering their journey and it will all work for good in the end.



Enjoy the dogs. The stink will go away once they are removed. Smile

Peaches, there is something so profound in your statement, as you have looked into the depths of the ocean and found light through the "captain" of all ships. 
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« Reply #708 on: January 19, 2008, 07:40:59 PM »

Klaas ... I am afraid this audio recording of the so-called press conference is going to go "poof".  Is it possible that it could be preserved in some way ... maybe Youtube.

Janet


Link to audio recording of press conference:
http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

I've already downloaded it.  Plus the entire press conference is on YouTube as well.  But I did download the audio from the link above yesterday.  Wink

Thank you Klaas.

Could you please provide me with YouTube link.

Thank you

Janet

This will open to part 1 of 5.  The rest are on the right hand side. 

Casa - part of Beth on Oprah is also there but probably not the part you are looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf28nxMtC4
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« Reply #709 on: January 19, 2008, 07:41:27 PM »

can someone give me th two links to Beth on Oprah?  I wanr to show #3 daughter and I can't find them.  Thanks!!

Credit: Carpe - SM Natalee Forum


BETH ON OPRAH WINFREY

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQykmHv6TQ

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FG0CmHnxA&feature=user



I don't get it.   Shocked

The Youtube Oprah interview was provided by Carpe.

Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #710 on: January 19, 2008, 07:43:43 PM »

Klaas ... I am afraid this audio recording of the so-called press conference is going to go "poof".  Is it possible that it could be preserved in some way ... maybe Youtube.

Janet


Link to audio recording of press conference:
http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

I've already downloaded it.  Plus the entire press conference is on YouTube as well.  But I did download the audio from the link above yesterday.  Wink

Thank you Klaas.

Could you please provide me with YouTube link.

Thank you

Janet

This will open to part 1 of 5.  The rest are on the right hand side. 

Casa - part of Beth on Oprah is also there but probably not the part you are looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf28nxMtC4

Thanks Klaas.

Do you know what is up regarding the Oprah interview with Beth that Carpe put onto Youtube?

Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #711 on: January 19, 2008, 07:43:54 PM »

CASA - maybe what you are looking for is here?  It's not the video but it's from Oprah's website:

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_201.jhtml
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« Reply #712 on: January 19, 2008, 07:45:45 PM »

Janet - even though it's done all the time, people aren't supposed to upload TV shows and NEWs videos to YouTube due to copywrite infringement. 
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« Reply #713 on: January 19, 2008, 07:48:20 PM »

CASA - maybe what you are looking for is here?  It's not the video but it's from Oprah's website:

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_201.jhtml

Thanks Klaas for looking for me!  We found the oprah website.  Her roommate recorded it for her but she hasn't had a chance to watch it so she can see later.  Thanks1
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« Reply #714 on: January 19, 2008, 07:49:10 PM »

It says it is no longer available.

Looks like Harpo Productions has a copyright protection in place:

http://www.eipgrouplaw.com/

My limited cable package allowed me to watch the Oprah/Beth interview on one of our local channels and ... I RECORDED IT.

I am going to go and label that video RIGHT NOW!

 

Janet

 
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« Reply #715 on: January 19, 2008, 07:53:59 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2523.msg329014#msg329014


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« Reply #705 on: January 16, 2008, 01:49:22 PM »

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_201.jhtml

From the Oprah website - sounds like this is most of what was on the show:

Since 2005, an Alabama family's worst nightmare has left the world wondering, "What happened to Natalee Holloway?"

Natalee was 18 years old when she graduated from Mountain Brook High School in Birmingham, Alabama. The day after graduation, Natalee joined 123 other students and seven adults for a five-day vacation to the Caribbean island of Aruba to celebrate.

For the first few days of her trip, Natalee spent time with friends at the beach and hotel pool, and—since the legal drinking age in Aruba is 18— hanging out in the casino having drinks. Everyone seemed to be having a great time, but on Sunday, May 29, 2005 things took a mysterious turn.

That Sunday night, surveillance cameras at the Holiday Inn casino captured Natalee seated at a blackjack table. Two seats away was Joran van der Sloot, a local 17-year-old high school soccer player. Witnesses say Natalee introduced herself to van der Sloot and invited him to meet her and her friends at a bar and restaurant called Carlos 'n Charlie's later that evening.

After leaving the casino to go to dinner, van der Sloot, along with his two friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, arrived at the bar at about 12:15 a.m. Friends say that Natalee and van der Sloot danced, talked and did some shots of alcohol together. When the bar closed at 1 a.m, Natalee was seen getting into a Deepak Kalpoe's car, along with van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe.

She was never seen again. What happened remains a mystery.

Police questioned van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers in connection with Natalee's disappearance. They were taken into custody early in the investigation, but authorities had little evidence and eventually released them. In November 2007, the three men were re-arrested in what appeared to be a break in the case. But instead of being charged with a crime, they were released again and the case against them was closed.

For Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway, the time since her daughter's disappearance has been an emotional rollercoaster. The announcement that the case is closed adds even more pain, she says.

"I think we've had so much hurt on this journey that it's almost as if you just have to keep yourself prepared for blows because they seem to come one after the other. And that was the final one, of course, when we're thinking of it—the finality. Of course it's more painful than the others," Beth says. "The journey has been just an endless marathon in that we've just had to really try to put the brakes on and just pace ourselves."

Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

After two and a half years of investigation and theories about her daughter's disappearance, what does Beth believe happened to Natalee?

Beth: "We've been really careful in trying not to speculate too much. But when I go back to the facts—and the facts are, these are the last three men that were known to be seen with Natalee alive. And we do know the condition that she was in when she got into the … car. And we know the conduct they engaged in with her. After that, we have … different stories of what they gave to interrogators to explain what they did with her that night."

Oprah: "Do you still believe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers had something to do with your daughter's disappearance?"

Beth: " … I mean, when we look back, we've really tried to look outside of the circle of these three suspects. There have been, I think, close to a dozen men that have been arrested and questioned and released. So everything keeps coming back to the original three that she was last seen leaving the establishment with."

Oprah: "Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers have always, as we know, maintained their innocence."

At one point, van der Sloot said he welcomed an opportunity to talk to Beth, but that hasn't happened. "I think the only way that could be productive is if he were hooked to a polygraph machine," Beth says. "Because we really want to get the truth."

When van der Sloot and his parents were interviewed on a Dutch talk show in January 2008, crime reporter Peter R. DeVries challenged them with some tough and heated questions about the Holloway case. After the show, van der Sloot was caught on tape throwing a glass of wine across a table into Peter's face.

Natalee's younger brother, Matt, was 16 years old when his sister vanished. In his first interview about Natalee's disappearance, Matt describes how difficult it has been for him.

"It was just very devastating for me," Matt says. "But I have an amazing group of friends, and they've been there for me and they've helped me through it, and I just can't be more thankful for that."

In early 2007, rumors sprang up that Beth was dating John Ramsey, whose daughter, JonBenet Ramsey, a 6-year-old beauty pageant queen, was killed in 1996. "He is a dear friend of mine, he is," Beth says. "We were dating, I would say. But now I think we really just support each other."

Because each of them has lost a daughter, Beth says talking to John has been comforting to her. "I feel as if he has a lot of miles on me, as far as into his journey," she says. "I feel like he was a really good source of support and strength."

While she still doesn't know what happened to Natalee, Beth strives to keep her memories alive. She filled a hope chest with Natalee's belongings, from a journal to the clothes she took on her senior trip to Aruba. "I have nothing more tangible … [like] having a grave where I could go and visit her, or even having the comfort that her suspects are behind bars," Beth says. "To find her body, well, it would mean putting an end to this current nightmare."

(video with Natalee's friends)

As for finding Natalee alive, Beth says she tries not to let herself consider that too much. "I don't think that's very healthy for your spirit, but it is something I fantasize about," Beth says.

In the absence of closure, Beth continues to think about her daughter's disappearance every day. "It's as if I have to wake up every morning and make that conscious decision whether I want to be better or positive. I do want to keep being positive and look toward the future and see what we can do for others," Beth says. "But I still feel strongly that something unexpected could happen. We still could find answers at some point."
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« Reply #716 on: January 19, 2008, 08:05:04 PM »

Glenda at RU:


Julia filed Criminal Charges against Kelly and Daniel already for their unfounded accusations against her... Mr. Mos is in Curacao this week and will be back on Monday.

Julia is from Cali and oddly enough, so are these two. Although they "slandered" her publically in Aruba, they sent the same accusations to the US Media including Greta. These two are in problems...
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RE: Civil Matter

No, according to the Prosecutors Office the accusations and details that they have accused Julia of have opened a new criminal case. They are suggesting that All10Suspects Wink were arrested in vein (my translation) while Julia was harboring Natalee at her home and eventually resulted in her overdosing. And then of course the suggestion of Lorenzo et al murdering Pitbull.

These Psychics are fiction at its finest...
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« Reply #717 on: January 19, 2008, 08:07:20 PM »

CASA - maybe what you are looking for is here?  It's not the video but it's from Oprah's website:

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_201.jhtml

Thanks Klaas for looking for me!  We found the oprah website.  Her roommate recorded it for her but she hasn't had a chance to watch it so she can see later.  Thanks1


casa...i have it recorded if #3 wants to watch it tonight or tomorrow before she goes back to school!!!!
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« Reply #718 on: January 19, 2008, 08:12:58 PM »

I wonder if Glenda finds it hard to always refer to herself in the third person.  Reminds me of a Seinfield episode  Wink
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« Reply #719 on: January 19, 2008, 08:13:06 PM »

Glenda at RU:


Julia filed Criminal Charges against Kelly and Daniel already for their unfounded accusations against her... Mr. Mos is in Curacao this week and will be back on Monday.

Julia is from Cali and oddly enough, so are these two. Although they "slandered" her publically in Aruba, they sent the same accusations to the US Media including Greta. These two are in problems...
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RE: Civil Matter

No, according to the Prosecutors Office the accusations and details that they have accused Julia of have opened a new criminal case. They are suggesting that All10Suspects Wink were arrested in vein (my translation) while Julia was harboring Natalee at her home and eventually resulted in her overdosing. And then of course the suggestion of Lorenzo et al murdering Pitbull.

These Psychics are fiction at its finest...
Julia should look up " Karma ", the kind that bites you in the azz.
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