Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16 - 1/20/08

[hotping]

This is an interesting read.
http://pbrowning.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.ht

The link is not working....

[Observer]

10/14/05
Victim’s family is none too happy

“While they can’t even resolve the case of Natalee Holloway…what is of a poor dark skinned San Nicolas born Arubian?” This is the reaction of the family of the deceased, Rene van Heinegin, which they indicated to DIARIO in a telephone interview from St. Maarten.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

More on Rene Van Heyningen
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322067#msg322067

[Tylergal]

http://pbrowning.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html

[Tylergal]

Somebody admitted to "something bad happening to the girl" on June 10/11/2005.  Shortly thereafter our DEA people made a drug bust in Aurba.  Then Steve Croes goes in to admit to a lie.  Rene dies.  Then Robert Benson dies, then Pitbull dies and then Choose-a-Name is burned down.  A media is found hanging with her hand in her pocket with her feet nearly touching the ground.  A reporter from Washington, DC, is wanting to investigate corrupt politics in Aruba.

[Silverfox]

Just connect the dots!  All that is coming out seems to point to the same things...

[Observer]

Interesting events in this 2 week time period also.

12/24/06 Brigette Katelaan.Death by hanging.Reporter/Producer for ATV/TeleAruba
12/27/06 Carlos Moreno(Suicide OD)Found missing a ear and 20 kilos of cocaine involved
1/7/07 Camilo Romero cameraman for ATV(Camera Man for Brigette)Death by Hanging
1/7/07? CANDELARIO WEVER(MEP Aruban Govt)Caught with 250k and 3.5 kilos of cocaine in Venezuela

[Tylergal]

Interesting events in this 2 week time period also.

12/24/06 Brigette Katelaan.Death by hanging.Reporter/Producer for ATV/TeleAruba
12/27/06 Carlos Moreno(Suicide OD)Found missing a ear and 20 kilos of cocaine involved
1/7/07 Camilo Romero cameraman for ATV(Camera Man for Brigette)Death by Hanging
1/7/07? CANDELARIO WEVER(MEP Aruban Govt)Caught with 250k and 3.5 kilos of cocaine in Venezuela

That was what I meant to type, *******, media people and I just had media.  Yes, these are not just coincidences; these people are victims of Aruba's corrupt government.  Is that why Amy from Washington, DC, wanted to go to Aruba to investigate corrupt politics?  Why was she never allowed to go?  Too many side trips? I don't think so. 

[private eye]

Yesenia Castillo is who was accused of murdering Rene van Heinegin, by slicing him with a machette. I assume he is the one who was the incinerator operator. I wonder if Kelly Castillo is any relation to her? Also, what date did this occur? If Joran did indeed confess on June 10th, and her body was buried at the fishermans hut, and subsequently moved between the 10th and the 13th, when they searched the area after leaving the sight unsecured, then the body could have been removed from the ground and burned in between those days. So if his death immediately followed the 11, 12, the timing is certainly suspect.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322067#msg322067 Photo of Yesenia

Native American?

[Nut44x4]

It says it is no longer available.

Looks like Harpo Productions has a copyright protection in place:

http://www.eipgrouplaw.com/

 

Oprah......protecting her ASSets 

[Tylergal]

Yesenia Castillo is who was accused of murdering Rene van Heinegin, by slicing him with a machette. I assume he is the one who was the incinerator operator. I wonder if Kelly Castillo is any relation to her? Also, what date did this occur? If Joran did indeed confess on June 10th, and her body was buried at the fishermans hut, and subsequently moved between the 10th and the 13th, when they searched the area after leaving the sight unsecured, then the body could have been removed from the ground and burned in between those days. So if his death immediately followed the 11, 12, the timing is certainly suspect.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322067#msg322067 Photo of Yesenia

Native American?

I think it was around the 16th that he died.  "Supposedly," his wife beheaded him.

[Tylergal]

It says it is no longer available.

Looks like Harpo Productions has a copyright protection in place:

http://www.eipgrouplaw.com/

 

Oprah......protecting her ASSets 

I am by no means a big Oprah fan but I don't blame her for protecting her assets.  She is after all, a savvy businesswoman.

[MumInOhio]

Here is the link to Msmaple’s summary page of the Murder and Mayhem thread!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.300



Also to the Discovery Time Log for dates of interviews.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

[Nut44x4]

Watching this implosion is fun 

It is sorta like the old Saturday Night Wrestling.

HAHAaaaaaaaaaaaa...INDEED!! This is quite entertaining, to say the least.
"And that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold said so!!"

I too never doubted the 'arrival time'...not for a moment. Garbage, sinply garbage.

[Peaches]

This is all too funny!!! It's like it came straight out of the movie "Airplane." Glenda: "Julia NEVER said she hid Natalee for 10 days ... and quit calling 'ME' a liar!!"

"Surely you can't be serious."  "

I am and don't call me Shirley."

[Nut44x4]

From BFN

         

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?
If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow
Why oh why can't I?

[Peaches]

Such a beautiful picture.  Thank you.

[sharon]

Glenda  PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:25 pm         

HannieC wrote:
How about those other 2 clairvoyants, i forgot their names, who were also in Aruba in the beginning of the case.....

Or did they say something which was out of the "partyline"...?


Daniel and ??? and they were also here during the filming of the show.

Glenda

Daniel's story goes like this: Joran left Natalee at a sex party at his half-brother Lorenzo's house in Savaneta. Natalee hung out there on her own free will for 9 or 10 days all the while she knew her parents were on the island and looking for her. Then she was walking along some rocks by baby beach with "Pitbull", slipped and bonked her head and died. Pitbull, Scooby, Lorenzo and Boeti buried her near the Animal Cemetery and they told the ALE about this in 2006. Then the story goes that the ALE inclusive of Dennis Jacobs and Gerald Dompig, dug up and moved the body to the sand dunes at the Lighthouse to frame J2K.

Thanks Buckeye -- that is EXACTLY the post I remember.

Julia = Scooby 

(sorry for the disappearing act -- I couldn't get back on yesterday after the post)

[private eye]

From BFN

         

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high
There's a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby

Somewhere over the rainbow
Skies are blue
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true

Someday I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me.
Where troubles melt like lemon drops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then oh, why can't I?

(When all the world is a whole glass jumbled
And the raindrops tumble all around
There's an old place of magic ways)

A place behind the sun
Just a step behind the rainbow

Somewhere over the rainbow
Bluebirds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then oh, why can't I?

If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow
Why oh, why can't I?

Somewhere over the rainbow,
Natalee is calling the Persistence
to come and take her home.

Somewhere over the rainbow
Justice will be served to Joran
taking him to his new home.

[Magnolia]

From BFN

         

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?
If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow
Why oh why can't I?

Beautiful Picture!  Does anybody know what the blue and yellow flag is?
I know it is not an Aruban flag.

[private eye]

I don't know why RU has so much trouble even knowing what to believe in the beginning concerning Beth driving home from Hot Springs and all until she arrived in Aruba.

Or why they want to believe in such outlandish crap such as she was whisked off in a Med Jet, she was pregnant, Jug and her crap, or she ran away.

The facts are, according to the boys words,

A) She left with Joran, Depaak, and Satish
B) At least Joran had sexual relations, other than intercourse with her, while she was unable to give consent.
C) Joran claims something bad happened to her.
D) Depaak claims Joran did a violent act since he said Joran was looking at 10-15 yrs
E) Joran claims she was buried at the fisherman's hut.
F) She was moved from her original burial site as she was not found there.
G) Depaak claims that Paulus was involved in something other than the no body no case
H) Paulus told the boys in advice prior to the 10 days when they were arrested, no body no case. Paulus already knew then she was dead.
I) Anita saw the Natalee's panties so Joran had them, I hope, so sex did occur.
J) Paulus lied repeated about his whereabouts on the night she disappeared, which is why he was expelled from the judge program and why he was arrested.

These conclusions are undeniable, unless the boys knew they were being recorded which means the police worked a scam on Beth again, or all 4 of the guys are still lying.